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uncurable mlady posted:this is the reddest flag That's the definitive "NOPE" flag.
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this is a bit lame and rather brit politics quip, still:uncurable mlady posted:this is the reddest flag quote:Then raise the scarlet standard high. it works pretty well for places with terrible management it's from the Labour party official anthem, "the red flag", which starts with "the people's flag is the deepest red" Private Speech fucked around with this message at 17:42 on May 15, 2019 |
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May 15, 2019 17:30
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Hughlander posted:Had what could only be described as an 'adversarial' interview yesterday. Rather than a conversation interviewer needling in a raising tone looking for specific 'right' answers. Really sucks because A) He's the VP. B) Every other session went great. But even if offered I don't think i'd want to work under someone like that. i had an interview like that at my last job, it was with the director of the larger 50-person group and I thought about walking away over it in the end it was fine though, pretty good place to work, the guy was good to work with even, he just had a boner for negging people in interviews apparently (the rest of the process/interviewers were care bears level pleasant) 
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May 15, 2019 17:45
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Bloody posted:just lol if you aren't situated to give the feedback to c-levels or at least directors/svps the CTO and 2 VPs that used to listen to us left. funny how things started going downhill afterwards!
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May 15, 2019 17:49
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ratbert90 posted:That's the definitive "NOPE" flag. The guy interviewing me dismissed it because it's "impossible" to estimate timelines when you don't know the features it needs, so it makes sense for the executive to just give a date. This guy said he would potentially be my boss
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May 15, 2019 18:26
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i guess you could do that but i'm going to assume that "cut down the project to realistically meet that date" isn't part of the analysis
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May 15, 2019 18:32
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Found that this is a thing and people actually use it. https://europass.cedefop.europa.eu/ Why yes, I want to read 10 page CVs that this poo poo inevitably leads to... 
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May 15, 2019 18:56
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Right, but it's mostly the complete lack of awareness that it's possible to *wait* to set a deadline until after it's clearer what actually needs to be done. Setting an arbitrary deadline reeks of someone who is clueless trying to be meaningful or exert their authority in a pointless way.
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May 15, 2019 18:56
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hayden. posted:The guy interviewing me dismissed it because it's "impossible" to estimate timelines when you don't know the features it needs, so it makes sense for the executive to just give a date. This guy said he would potentially be my boss Hey, that sounds 100% like my old employer! Why no, giving deadlines per-feature as they come in just isn't possible! Why do you ask?!
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May 15, 2019 19:05
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I just (politely) walked out of my first interview. I show up for the first on-site interview and it turns out it's a technical interview, which wasn't communicated at all. I sat with two engineers who said hello and then immediately tasked me with white boarding some algorithm and data structure problems, when I was really just more showing up to see if it was a good fit. They said they didn't have any questions for me, only the whiteboard exercise. I told them I didn't have a CS background and have never had a reason to memorize or frankly even use algorithm knowledge and that it seemed I wasn't what they were looking for. The job ad mentioned that they build scalable software and they recommended a CS degree (like seemingly every job listing) but it wasn't clear it was an absolute necessity. I thanked them for their time and left after a very awkward conversation about how I didn't want to wedge myself into a role when I was clearly not what they were looking for. It was a senior level role, but the compensation range given me was close to the non-senior title roles I've been given offers to already. I guess good luck finding candidates with faang style interviews and only paying 100k in downtown Denver.
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May 15, 2019 20:46
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Not a Children posted:The only correct response to an adversarial interview is to call them on their bullshit and/or walk out Agreed. I should have but it was the last of 5 sessions and the other 4 went really well. I can't even say it was good practice.
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May 15, 2019 21:12
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hayden. posted:I just (politely) walked out of my first interview. I show up for the first on-site interview and it turns out it's a technical interview, which wasn't communicated at all. I sat with two engineers who said hello and then immediately tasked me with white boarding some algorithm and data structure problems, when I was really just more showing up to see if it was a good fit. They said they didn't have any questions for me, only the whiteboard exercise. I told them I didn't have a CS background and have never had a reason to memorize or frankly even use algorithm knowledge and that it seemed I wasn't what they were looking for. The job ad mentioned that they build scalable software and they recommended a CS degree (like seemingly every job listing) but it wasn't clear it was an absolute necessity. I thanked them for their time and left after a very awkward conversation about how I didn't want to wedge myself into a role when I was clearly not what they were looking for. lmbo at simultaneously scoffing at the prospect of having to know some algorithms and data structures and also expecting a big boy salary
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May 15, 2019 22:52
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Ploft-shell crab posted:lmbo at simultaneously scoffing at the prospect of having to know some algorithms and data structures and also expecting a big boy salary i think hes saying that since it wasn't a big boy salary he shouldn't need to know data structures and algorithms
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May 15, 2019 22:55
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like whiteboarding is bad but also lmao wtf
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May 15, 2019 23:03
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hobbesmaster posted:i think hes saying that since it wasn't a big boy salary he shouldn't need to know data structures and algorithms 100k is more than double the US median income
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May 15, 2019 23:07
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Ploft-shell crab posted:100k is more than double the US median income depends on the city obviously but 100k for a senior role is pretty pathetic in a lot of places
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May 15, 2019 23:17
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100k is the average for a non senior software role in Colorado. I don't have an issue with white board interviews, it was more the lack of communication/advertising about the need for that knowledge for the role, the lack of personal interest in me aside from the ability to draw on a white board, and especially because from what I can tell it's not a very integral part of the job. How often do you need to use memorization of algorithms when doing web development stuff? Also considering that I now have two offers in the same range not knowing any computer science stuff just reinforces they probably need to up their budget.
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May 15, 2019 23:17
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what are those jobs doing?
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May 15, 2019 23:20
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getting an offer from one of the big boys. it will be approx a 50% raise. I promised myself I’d negotiate no matter what but jfc am I gonna be bluffing
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May 15, 2019 23:31
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which team should i join the team devoted to breaking up the monolithic .net application into services, thereby (theoretically) making the lives of all its developers better, despite the team’s manager being in his role for his technical chops rather than his emotional intelligence and people instincts or the team with an excellent manager and team dynamic, fully empowered to make the technical decisions to make to meet their deliverable goals, all of which largely require writing one-off python scripts to shovel data around or put more succinctly, does fun tech with a mediocre work dynamic beat mediocre tech with a great work dynamic, or vice versa
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May 15, 2019 23:37
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Flat Daddy posted:getting an offer from one of the big boys. it will be approx a 50% raise. I promised myself I’d negotiate no matter what but jfc am I gonna be bluffing as long as you’re willing to accept “no that’s what you get” you can’t lose
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May 15, 2019 23:38
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it’s easier to fix a program than it is to fix a team
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May 15, 2019 23:39
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raminasi posted:which team should i join
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May 15, 2019 23:43
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those are both bad options. join the team where you'll learn the most and gain the most marketable skills when you leave in 12-18 months for more figgies. so probably the .net microservices thing.
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May 15, 2019 23:46
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MononcQc posted:it’s easier to fix a program than it is to fix a team i dislike even “good” python. and i’m also under the impression that the questionable manager is questionable due to lack of experience and instinct, not due to antipathy (or even apathy) towards the idea of being good at management.
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May 15, 2019 23:47
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just from what youve posted, absolutely #1 -- #2 seems like poo poo work if you know the mgr in #1 actually sucks, then yeah, pass -- but if you just met them briefly and weren't struck down by their charm, thats kind of different
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May 15, 2019 23:49
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Mao Zedong Thot posted:just from what youve posted, absolutely #1 -- #2 seems like poo poo work i’m almost directly quoting his reports, which squares with my (few) personal interactions
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May 15, 2019 23:52
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hobbesmaster posted:what are those jobs doing? 
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May 16, 2019 00:02
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raminasi posted:which team should i join #2 sounds like etl which is a junior dev job.
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May 16, 2019 00:52
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Ever heard the saying that people quit because of bad managers? People also stay because of excellent managers. But just do whatever feels right.
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May 16, 2019 00:54
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Was referred to Google and was rejected before even taking to a recruiter. Rip
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May 16, 2019 01:22
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Phraggah posted:Was referred to Google and was rejected before even taking to a recruiter. Rip heh. I feel something like that is happening to me. recruiting coordinator claims to have been reaching out to the directors EA for the past 10 days to get a call scheduled and nothing so far.
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May 16, 2019 01:27
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take the python job then aggressively lobby to migrate from python to a real language. win win
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May 16, 2019 03:34
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Bloody posted:take the python job then aggressively lobby to migrate from python to a real language. win win how many times has this worked for anyone
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May 16, 2019 03:46
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Shaggar posted:#2 sounds like etl which is a junior dev job. shaggar was.............. right?
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May 16, 2019 04:07
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Mao Zedong Thot posted:shaggar was.............. right? yeah, senior developers invent other names for the etl stuff they do all day
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May 16, 2019 04:12
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Bloody posted:take the python job then aggressively lobby to migrate from python to a real language. win win you're not gonna talk the pigs out of the poo poo. they're happy in their filth. they choose to wallow in it.
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May 16, 2019 06:21
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hobbesmaster posted:yeah, senior developers invent other names for the etl stuff they do all day they are working on a strategic distributed high performance data platform, the junior guys are writing scripts to run in aws and scrape competitor's prices.
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May 16, 2019 09:17
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:how many times has this worked for anyone i got my last team to sunset our lovely python tools in favor of writing new ones rust and then once that was wildly successful we went back and started rewriting old ones in rust too
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:how many times has this worked for anyone I'm the only developer here and have just started the transition off of Groovy/Grails to Kotlin/Spring Boot. Also from writing "all code must be covered by automated tests" in the coding standards to actually writing automated tests. (Currently at 100% coverage in my new project!)
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