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I would suggest go for the books as they set up the stage and build up the world in much better detail and then watch the show to see the little things they tweaked and the little story/cha acter changes that work so much better for the TV version. Then stop at Tiamat’s Wrath till the show catches up. At least that’s what I did 
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Johnny Truant posted:What does this even mean? A lot of Tiamat's Wrath felt like there was this awareness of possibly needing to adapt it someday, so, things feel a bit restrained. Like how the monumental thing Elvi discovers is just a green-ish diamond the size of Jupiter or whatever and not anything a bit more mind-bending. Text allows you to get weird and grandiose in ways you can't in something more visual, even in big budget movies. Compare to the fourth book with the weird automatons and such.
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:A lot of Tiamat's Wrath felt like there was this awareness of possibly needing to adapt it someday, so, things feel a bit restrained. Like how the monumental thing Elvi discovers is just a green-ish diamond the size of Jupiter or whatever and not anything a bit more mind-bending. Text allows you to get weird and grandiose in ways you can't in something more visual, even in big budget movies. Compare to the fourth book with the weird automatons and such. Yeah, it definitely felt like it was written with an SFX budget in mind.
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May 12, 2019 11:13
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:A lot of Tiamat's Wrath felt like there was this awareness of possibly needing to adapt it someday, so, things feel a bit restrained. Like how the monumental thing Elvi discovers is just a green-ish diamond the size of Jupiter or whatever and not anything a bit more mind-bending. Text allows you to get weird and grandiose in ways you can't in something more visual, even in big budget movies. Compare to the fourth book with the weird automatons and such. Yeah I never felt that way at all, what with the multitude of consciousness breaking events, or the system completely devoid of anything save for a blue giant on the verge of collapsing in on itself, or a siege of Laconia. None of that seems like they were thinking about TV when writing it? And a diamond the size of one of the largest planets in our solar system is pretty goddamn impressive, so I don't really know what to tell you  Fake edit: like seriously, tell me how an empty rear end universe isn't weird and grandiose in a way TV will be able to translate. I'll wait. Johnny Truant fucked around with this message at 13:38 on May 12, 2019 |
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Johnny Truant posted:Yeah I never felt that way at all, what with the multitude of consciousness breaking events, or the system completely devoid of anything save for a blue giant on the verge of collapsing in on itself, or a siege of Laconia. None of that seems like they were thinking about TV when writing it? Well, I mean, I can't do anything about your feelings but none of the things you've pointed out there would be difficult to translate to television at all. Like, let's see. 1. Missing time, or what we've already seen from Holden's perspective. 2. A system devoid of anything... you think that's hard to represent? And the Siege of Laconia is really quite understated compared to some of the earlier battles in the series, with it basically being written as montage, and then is just the Roci hitting a bunch of undefended targets. That's only impressive if you lack imagination. A diamond the size of Jupiter is positively prosaic compared to some of the weirder ideas you'd think one could come up with Protomolecule Builder technology and the freedom of prose. And again, super easy to depict. It's a giant diamond but greenish. That's it.
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:Well, I mean, I can't do anything about your feelings but none of the things you've pointed out there would be difficult to translate to television at all. Like, let's see. 1. Missing time, or what we've already seen from Holden's perspective. 2. A system devoid of anything... you think that's hard to represent? And the Siege of Laconia is really quite understated compared to some of the earlier battles in the series, with it basically being written as montage, and then is just the Roci hitting a bunch of undefended targets. Yeah except Holden didn't lose consciousness in Abaddon's Gate when he touched the core in the same way that the enemies of the PM creators caused the entirety of humanity to lose consciousness. They're not even remotely similar. Especially when you think that there are now two, probably not to come, ways of it happening, as shown in TW. You're getting wowed by weird bug looking robots when the PM creators do things in scopes that humans can literally, and I mean literally, not comprehend. You, me, any human in the Expanse books. Have you heard of the movie Starship Troopers? Sounds much more up your alley. A system devoid of anything is hard to represent in television as well, yes. Unless you lack imagination and think a black screen captures that idea. 
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May 12, 2019 15:14
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Johnny Truant posted:Have you heard of the movie Starship Troopers? Sounds much more up your alley. This was a pretty sick burn but I'm not sure why you got so mad at that guy.
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Phenotype posted:This was a pretty sick burn but I'm not sure why you got so mad at that guy. Yeah I'm a little tipsy and my stomach's upset, plus he had the first jab so displaced emotions ahoy!
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May 12, 2019 15:21
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If the show can do TW justice I'll be proud. Especially the scene where safe mode Duarte atomizes his top scientist The trap mechanism empty solar system was pretty darn cool imo.
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May 12, 2019 15:23
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Phenotype posted:This was a pretty sick burn but I'm not sure why you got so mad at that guy.
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Ersatz posted:Also Starship Troopers is legitimately great. The only good bug is a dead bug! dyzzy posted:If the show can do TW justice I'll be proud. Especially the scene where safe mode Duarte atomizes his top scientist I legit had to read that part two or three times before my mind could parse it, I can't wait.
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Johnny Truant posted:Yeah except Holden didn't lose consciousness in Abaddon's Gate when he touched the core in the same way that the enemies of the PM creators caused the entirety of humanity to lose consciousness. They're not even remotely similar. Especially when you think that there are now two, probably not to come, ways of it happening, as shown in TW. Okay, I feel like you're not understanding what I'm saying. Like, at all. Nothing about what you're posting makes any sense. Because, like, I wasn't referring to Holden losing consciousness in Abaddon's Gate. I was referring to what he glimpses at the end of the third season. Here. I'll make it simple. What do you think is less likely to be represented accurately in the forthcoming seasons? The giant weird bug-looking robots that host Miller's consciousness and Elvi rides around on, or a big diamond. Because that second one is actually pretty comprehensible. It's a very big diamond, and it's tinted green. Like, you're conflating a thousand different things to the extent that-- Oh, you're drunk posting. That explains it. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 15:42 on May 12, 2019 |
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My friend Jeff B. assured me that the show will not want for a single penny. Rest assured that the forthcoming seasons are being shot on alien worlds that very closely resemble those described in the books
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I hope we get to hear about the red kibble. At least once per season, but hopefully more than that. Every book, I'm always wondering, what do the Belters eat? And the Corey boys give me a few hundred words on the red kibble. And then I wonder, well, why are so many people dumping their half-finished meals in the recycler? Like I said, I enjoy the books, but the TV series is basically doing the story so well that you don't really need to read them. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 16:06 on May 12, 2019 |
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:I hope we get to hear about the red kibble. At least once per season, but hopefully more than that. Every book, I'm always wondering, what do the Belters eat? And the Corey boys give me a few hundred words on the red kibble. And then I wonder, well, why are so many people dumping their half-finished meals in the recycler? I don't think anyone in the series is starving unless there's a disaster like what happened on Ganymede? They produce enough food that tons of people on Earth are living on Basic without a job. They probably just toss it to be recycled because they know they'll be able to get more later.
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I think the issue is that belters just can't get the nice food you'd get living on a planet with space to have livestock and whatnot. Seems like their food consists of foods that can be grown in a small space and then hit with a bunch of spices to add flavor.
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Cojawfee posted:I think the issue is that belters just can't get the nice food you'd get living on a planet with space to have livestock and whatnot. Seems like their food consists of foods that can be grown in a small space and then hit with a bunch of spices to add flavor. Pretty much. The ideal food for close spaces is likely fungi (mycoprotein like Quorn) and soy. Depending on the direction technology goes, however, you could theoretically end up with very cheap cloned meat vats. So you'll have "real" chicken or beef or what have you, but it came from cloned cells rather than an actual animal.
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Yeah the books talk alot about belter food being things like bars of pressed yeast with flavored sweeteners, fungal "whiskey", soy meat substitutes etc. Things you can cultivate and live off of while living inside a rock 10 times further from the sun than earth is.
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The Belt does also have very good cloned meat and some fish farming. It's not everyday food for most Belters, but it seems accessible enough to eat occasionally
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dyzzy posted:If the show can do TW justice I'll be proud. Especially the scene where safe mode Duarte atomizes his top scientist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Petkj9Kxks&t=85s
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I saw there's a movie on Netflix "The Wandering Earth" that is based on The Three Body Problem. Has anyone checked it out? Seems it's Chinese and dubbed in English. I'm worried it might try to mine bitcoins on my computer if I watch it.
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Cojawfee posted:I saw there's a movie on Netflix "The Wandering Earth" that is based on The Three Body Problem. Has anyone checked it out? Seems it's Chinese and dubbed in English. I'm worried it might try to mine bitcoins on my computer if I watch it. It's pretty much Armageddon, but Chinese. Only thing missing was Chinese covers of Aerosmith songs, but I did enjoy it anyway.
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^^^^^^^^ haha drat, beaten to talking about Three Body Problem by like 10 minutes!Milkfred E. Moore posted:Like I said, I enjoy the books, but the TV series is basically doing the story so well that you don't really need to read them. Even the novellas? The Churn and Strange Dogs are honestly in my top 5 of Expanse literature. Also, if you want weird and grandiose I hope you've read the Remembrance of Earth's Past trilogy by Liu Cixin. If not, drop everything and prepare for  Sandwich Anarchist posted:fungal "whiskey" That's what I want more of! And of course, more Bobbie 
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Cojawfee posted:I saw there's a movie on Netflix "The Wandering Earth" that is based on The Three Body Problem. Has anyone checked it out? Seems it's Chinese and dubbed in English. I'm worried it might try to mine bitcoins on my computer if I watch it. It's a different story by the that guy, but yeah. AFAIK it's subtitled but maybe they have both options?
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Johnny Truant posted:^^^^^^^^ haha drat, beaten to talking about Three Body Problem by like 10 minutes! I read The Three-Body Problem and while I admire the grandeur of the vision, I hated pretty much all the characters and the world itself. It was a very well-written book that made me feel bad about life.
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3BP had some really cool ideas but the writing felt flat, maybe the translation
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chitoryu12 posted:Pretty much. The ideal food for close spaces is likely fungi (mycoprotein like Quorn) and soy. Depending on the direction technology goes, however, you could theoretically end up with very cheap cloned meat vats. So you'll have "real" chicken or beef or what have you, but it came from cloned cells rather than an actual animal. Another realistic thing is that zero-g messes with your taste-buds and dulls flavor, which is why a lot of Belter food is loaded with hot spices. It's also why bottles of hot sauce are apparently considered liquid gold on the ISS. StashAugustine posted:3BP had some really cool ideas but the writing felt flat, maybe the translation Felt the same way about it. Some great ideas, but presented in such a dry autistic manner. Still glad I read it, but I don't think I'll be motivated to read the later novels unless someone tells me that the writing/translation has improved. Svaha fucked around with this message at 02:34 on May 13, 2019 |
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A bit meme-y, but good for a chuckle or two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Nz0may5N0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfKs17yfy2I Svaha fucked around with this message at 02:51 on May 13, 2019 |
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I am quite partial to the bits involving Bobbie punching Martens in the face.
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Svaha posted:Another realistic thing is that zero-g messes with your taste-buds and dulls flavor, which is why a lot of Belter food is loaded with hot spices. It's also why bottles of hot sauce are apparently considered liquid gold on the ISS. Of course they'd have checked human gastrointestinal physiology for writing The Expanse 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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I just got caught up with the series and am now here to bang my utensils on the table in this thread
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You need to answer these questions three Question the first: Endless edge lasagna (Yay/Nay)
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Rocksicles posted:You need to answer these questions three I would never say no to a lasagna, especially when a such a polite martian gentleman makes it for me
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Would the protomolecule, which came from *outthere*, have formed a gate in our solar system anyway if there wasn't any sentient life in it to mess with it?
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Sentience isn't a requirement for the protomolecule; if it hadn't been pulled into Saturn's orbit it would've hit the Earth like 2 million years ago or something, when we were all just little goopy bacteria
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Evernoob posted:Would the protomolecule, which came from *outthere*, have formed a gate in our solar system anyway if there wasn't any sentient life in it to mess with it? Yeah. It was shot at Earth billions of years ago when there was just biological sludge for it to work with. If anything it having to build with sentient material is what's made it so unpredictable and odd. In 99% of cases it would just crash into a primordial swamp, build the gate and shut down once it's open.
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I'm guessing the goal was to find biomass with which to build more protomolecule and then build a gate so the ancient aliens could travel there. I would guess they were searching for raw materials, not other life. Otherwise they would have sent instructions a la contact to find someone worth talking to.
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Does it seem at all odd that they would just be searching for raw materials? They apparently have access to dozens of star systems, what resources don't they have?
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The PM needed two things. Materials and energy, a biomass would help spread it though.
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ZorajitZorajit posted:Does it seem at all odd that they would just be searching for raw materials? They apparently have access to dozens of star systems, what resources don't they have? Maybe they have a massive civilization that needs that much? Or maybe they don't want to destroy their own systems, so they search for empty backwater star systems they can leech from.
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