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Snowglobe of Doom posted:LOL I keep forgetting. Wait, $10 million? Is Spawn going to be played by a dude in a halloween costume?
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ImpAtom posted:Wait, $10 million? Apparently it's going to be played by Jamie Foxx in a halloween costume.  In the interview I posted McFarlane is talking about doing Spawn's costume transformation as a physical effect, I guess they can't afford CGI on that budget.
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May 19, 2019 07:18
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The MSJ posted:Every rich black American I know is involved in either sports or entertainment, so Black Batman should just be a baseball-themed superhero. Picturing him played by Michael Dorn from the Benny Russel episode of Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Timeless Appeal posted:The thing is that Nolan's movies are still insane. Like the Scarecrow rides a firebreathing horse on screen, the Joker is basically the Devil, and the Lazarus Pits are able to get in there. Of course, though BvS at least had the TDKR power armour. The Nolan movies had those things thematically rather than literally, for the most part. But we all know how good most of Hollywood is with themes. The whole point is that Batman is an insane and absurd idea, and one you can have fun with. Funny thing is that BvS Batman is basically Iron Man's Avengers arc with less wisecracking, a wealthy powerful vigilante going a bit nuts over the idea of superpowered aliens that make all of his exceptional advantages and abilities irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, and slowly learning to accept his place as a citizen of the universe, not just one planet where he's in the .1%.
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The new Spawn didn't get greenlighted per se, McFarlane got tired of shopping his script around and said "gently caress it I'm paying it all myself."
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May 19, 2019 11:11
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The discussion of what a good take on Black Batman would be reminds me of Deadshot's excellent backwards-Batman-origin in Suicide Squad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2fIs3Snsuo
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May 19, 2019 11:26
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:LOL I keep forgetting.
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May 19, 2019 13:01
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Black Bruce Wayne as a big charter school proponent.
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May 19, 2019 20:50
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Charter Schools and Private Schools are pushed in America because conservatives want white only christian madrassas raising fanatical cultists. I don't think a black man would go for that.
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May 19, 2019 21:06
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Gatts posted:Charter Schools and Private Schools are pushed in America because conservatives want white only christian madrassas raising fanatical cultists. I don't think a black man would go for that. Charter schools in black communities have major support from the black economic elite. It's only very recently that the NAACP has changed its position and started to oppose them. There's a reason why Cory Booker is a huge supporter of charter schools and why Bernie Sander's opposition to them is touted as an example of his "racism."
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May 19, 2019 21:16
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Gatts posted:Charter Schools and Private Schools are pushed in America because conservatives want white only christian madrassas raising fanatical cultists. I don't think a black man would go for that. two different issues. You're right about private schools, but charters are weird public/private things that are generally pushed by super technocratty centrists and business/silicon valley types (Mark Zuckerberg, Corey Booker and Chris Christie worked together in New Jersey to build a charter system to mixed-to-bad results). Where they get conflated is Vouchers, which are generally pushed by both, which allows public money to go to private schools. Charters are bad and dumb because profit shouldn't be a motive for education, vouchers are bad and dumb because private schools are all terrible and shouldn't get public money.
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May 19, 2019 21:22
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Gatts posted:Charter Schools and Private Schools are pushed in America because conservatives want white only christian madrassas raising fanatical cultists. I don't think a black man would go for that. Miles Morales goes to a private school for some reason in Spider-Verse. He won his admission in some sort of lottery, which is itself pretty gross.
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May 19, 2019 21:28
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DC Murderverse posted:two different issues. You're right about private schools, but charters are weird public/private things that are generally pushed by super technocratty centrists and business/silicon valley types (Mark Zuckerberg, Corey Booker and Chris Christie worked together in New Jersey to build a charter system to mixed-to-bad results). Thank you for the clarification.
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May 19, 2019 21:35
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Miles Morales goes to a private school for some reason in Spider-Verse. He won his admission in some sort of lottery, which is itself pretty gross. yeah the whole lottery thing with charter schools is pretty heinous. dangle the chance of better opportunities in front of a bunch of poor minorities and spin it as a generous act of charity for good PR it was a good idea to bring that into spider-verse though. it gives miles a 'lonely outsider' status that was strong in classic spider-man without making him a victim of racist bullying or anything like that by treading too closely to the formula
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:It was always supposed to be very low budget, like a horror film. That's been part of his pitch from the beginning Yeah, it was also my understanding that you'll see very little of Spawn. Last I read it was supposed to be a hardboiled crime film following some detectives and they encounter Spawn during their investigations. Like how Danny Glover only runs into the Predator a few times in Predator 2.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Apparently it's going to be played by Jamie Foxx in a halloween costume. Do they understand that good physical effects also cost money, sometimes more than CG?
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Apparently it's going to be played by Jamie Foxx in a halloween costume. And Jeremy Renner's playing one of the cops.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Miles Morales goes to a private school for some reason in Spider-Verse. He won his admission in some sort of lottery, which is itself pretty gross. But in general his school is sort of a combination of charters, private schools, magnet schools, boarding schools---and it really doesn't matter what the school actually is--it just matters that Miles doesn't feel like he belongs. The school is meant to mirror his experience as Spider-Man. DC Murderverse posted:Where they get conflated is Vouchers, which are generally pushed by both, which allows public money to go to private schools. Charters are bad and dumb because profit shouldn't be a motive for education, vouchers are bad and dumb because private schools are all terrible and shouldn't get public money. Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 11:20 on May 20, 2019 |
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Timeless Appeal posted:But in general his school is sort of an combination of charters, private schools, magnet schools, boarding schools---and it really doesn't matter what the school actually is--it just matters that Miles doesn't feel like he belongs. The school is meant to mirror his experience as Spider-Man. Calling out SpiderVerse for that just means you're out of touch.
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Pointing out a real problem is being out of touch?
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Detective No. 27 posted:The new Spawn didn't get greenlighted per se, McFarlane got tired of shopping his script around and said "gently caress it I'm paying it all myself." Yeah he's planning on producing, writing and directing it himself which is usually not a good sign, especially since he's never written or directed a feature film before. Maxwell Lord posted:Do they understand that good physical effects also cost money, sometimes more than CG? Nah you just hire some guys who just graduated from the Tom Savini School who are eager for experience and exposure and are prepared to work cheap, it'll all work out fine! Just fine!!! Davros1 posted:And Jeremy Renner's playing one of the cops. Well, he's slated to play one of the cops right now but who knows who'll actually end up in the role if the movie eventually gets made. Productions which get dragged out for years and years always go through a game of musical chairs when it comes to casting because actors can't keep their schedules open forever. McFarlane is real keen to attach names to the project though, projects with names are a lot easier to move forwards. Violator posted:Yeah, it was also my understanding that you'll see very little of Spawn. Last I read it was supposed to be a hardboiled crime film following some detectives and they encounter Spawn during their investigations. Like how Danny Glover only runs into the Predator a few times in Predator 2. I just read one article which said that Spawn might not even get any speaking lines, he'll just be a "force of nature" appearing sporadically throughout the film. BBC America were also developing a Sam & Twitch TV series with Kevin Smith but that also appears to have stalled. Edit: of course none of this means that the film may not get made or may not turn out to be good or fun or anything, the production is just looking super shaky at the moment.
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why in the world would anyone give kevin smith money in 2019
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Ammanas posted:why in the world would anyone give kevin smith money in 2019 quote:"We're not troubled! We're not troubled!" the production continued to insist as it slowly shrank and transformed into a Kevin Smith joint.
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Blood Boils posted:Pointing out a real problem is being out of touch? The movie is at least implicitly presenting it as a problem or at least something having a negative effect on Miles, at the very least it's a real phenomenon. They pretty much do something similar in Homecoming with Peter Parker as a poor kid going to a magnet school with rich kids, and the contrast to how he does when Tony Stark takes his fancy iron spider suit away.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The movie is at least implicitly presenting it as a problem or at least something having a negative effect on Miles, at the very least it's a real phenomenon. Also Spider-Man being a broke dork thrust into crazy social and superhero situations is like peak Spider-Man so I don't see the problem with this in either movie. Plus I appreciated that Spider-Verse presented this as something that's great for Miles on the surface but in reality is something stifling him as a person because it wasn't his call to make. Remember he doesn't just not score well, he intentionally fails so he'll get rejected but his teacher takes that choice away from him. Snowglobe of Doom posted:Nah you just hire some guys who just graduated from the Tom Savini School who are eager for experience and exposure and are prepared to work cheap, it'll all work out fine! Just fine!!! This movie's going to suck, but man speaking of Savini's era a grimy video nasty style take on Spawn would be amazing with the right folks involved.
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Ammanas posted:maybe he never edited it after the snap Not editing it after having a kid was kinda irresponsible.
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thrawn527 posted:Not editing it after having a kid was kinda irresponsible. maybe he re- edited it right before the time heist hijinks in case they worked
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Ammanas posted:maybe he re- edited it right before the time heist hijinks in case they worked I think part of it is that the gems are like the mother boxes in DC comics where like you don't need to say out loud or particularly express in detail what you want because they're so powerful they do exactly what you personally want in the exact way you "would" want it when you use it. But I think they only sort of allude to this in movies where the mind gem pops up prominently.
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Neo Rasa posted:Remember he doesn't just not score well, he intentionally fails so he'll get rejected but his teacher takes that choice away from him. More pointedly, he purposely gets every answer wrong, informing that he probably knew all the right answers,which is what tipped the teacher off.
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Blood Boils posted:Pointing out a real problem is being out of touch? But on the other hand, I think that beat is part of the story work that makes Miles' journey authentic and communicates a lot to the viewer with little actual infodumping. It says a ton about Miles's family that they're pushing him to make this work -- they know he's bright, they want him to get a good start, they're worried about the similarities to his Uncle that they see in his Street Art. My original response was prompted by the way the other poster spoke about the admissions lottery that's mentioned in passing -- limited admission slots + waiting lists + 'randomized' lotteries are all part of the Charter movement toolkit. Saying it's gross made it seem like the poster had no experience or reference to common practices at those kinds of schools. Heck, Success Academy Charters in NY has this on their about page: quote:Founded in 2006, Success Academy Charter Schools is the largest and highest-performing free, public charter school network in New York City. Admission is open to all New York State children, including those with special needs and English language learners. Students are admitted by a random lottery held each April. Or just read what Brother Entropy wrote. Brother Entropy posted:yeah the whole lottery thing with charter schools is pretty heinous. dangle the chance of better opportunities in front of a bunch of poor minorities and spin it as a generous act of charity for good PR
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FilthyImp posted:But on the other hand, I think that beat is part of the story work that makes Miles' journey authentic and communicates a lot to the viewer with little actual infodumping. It says a ton about Miles's family that they're pushing him to make this work -- they know he's bright, they want him to get a good start, they're worried about the similarities to his Uncle that they see in his Street Art. Thinking charter lotteries is gross ain't "calling out" the film, it's a condemnation of the practice.
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Yeah, but it's a misunderstanding of the film and charter lotteries. Miles got in because he passed a test and the film makes it clear that he's smart. The film is hinting more at him getting a seat through a lottery which we can read being rooted in his socio-economic status. It mirrors how he's technically a Spider-Man, but doesn't feel like he's actually a Spider-Man. Like I said, the school is sort a stand-in for a lot of things, but on a literal level it's just a fancier Brooklyn Tech. But I also don't think you guys understand how the charter lotteries work? The idea of the charter lotteries is that when there are more applicants than seats for a charter school that all the seats are chosen by lottery. This is meant to ensure that the charter isn't either stockpiling gifted and talented students to inflate their data or stock piling EL or IEP students in order to inflate their funding. Like it's upsetting that some families put their hopes on the promises of charters and a lottery to get their kid in a decent and safe school, but that speaks to a broader problem that all our schools need to be decent and safe. The lotteries are a less shady aspect of charters. Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 11:27 on May 21, 2019 |
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Timeless Appeal posted:But I also don't think you guys understand how the charter lotteries work? The idea of the charter lotteries is that when there are more applicants than seats for a charter school that the seats are chosen by lottery. drat, thanks for clearing that up for us. I was too out of touch to understand it, obviously.
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Pirate Jet posted:drat, thanks for clearing that up for us. I was too out of touch to understand it, obviously. quote:yeah the whole lottery thing with charter schools is pretty heinous. dangle the chance of better opportunities in front of a bunch of poor minorities and spin it as a generous act of charity for good PR Which actually seemed confused about how the lotteries work.
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The lotteries are perverse because they starkly dramatize the flight of public money to private enterprise.
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No one's defending the practice of school lotteries you bunch of mooks. As loving repugnant as the practice is (and really the state of education in this hellhole), its inclusion in the film is a good choice for a number of reasons (true to life, serves Miles' narrative, etc).
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FilthyImp posted:No one's defending the practice of school lotteries you bunch of mooks. I'm against Charters on principal, but I think that a lot of people don't fully understand what they are. Like Brother Entropy had a reasonable assumption for what the lotteries are, but it's an inaccurate understanding. And Hindu's point is a little off since the lotteries more speak to demand from parents for the charter and is actually an attempt to curb attempts charters could do to drain more money out of the system. Charters are lovely, but the lotteries aren't the problem. They're a reasonable check to keep things from being worse. Also, if the lottery system in the film was to increase diversity in a specialized high school like DeBlasio's new proposal, it's actually a really, really good system. Like I think the take the school itself is bad for Miles are kind of missing the point.
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7 Senators Miles Morales Should Have Killed in "Spider-Verse"
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Lee Pace is a gay farmer so they'd never cast him as Batman despite being amazing. I like Patterson's casting. He's a great actor and I bet he gets huge for the role.
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Hollismason posted:Lee Pace is a gay farmer so they'd never cast him as Batman despite being amazing. Farmer hey? So you're saying he should be SuperMan?
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