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Tezcatlipoca posted:Always looking for the easiest way to make a buck is how we got to this point. CDC seems to be concerned with that above all else. We meet again. Don't bitch at someone recommending people who are in an industry that routinely commits flagrant and open labor abuses move to another industry that is, somehow, less terribly managed. It is not doing anything good for your anticapitalist bona fides.
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Liquid Communism posted:We meet again. He isn't in the industry, he got out after perpetuating those abuses and profiting from them. Now he's telling everyone else to do the same. gently caress off. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Yeah, everyone stay miserable, because we're all complicit. 
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Tezcatlipoca posted:He isn't in the industry, he got out after perpetuating those abuses and profiting from them. Now he's telling everyone else to do the same. gently caress off. That's some weapons-grade victim blaming you've got going there, and I suggest you take it over to D&D or CSPAM where you can argue all day about how it is the workers' fault that the industry they are in abuses them, and they should buckle down and take the abuse as their due for the sin of participating in the industry. It isn't welcome here, in the thread for the restaurant industry.
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Tezcatlipoca posted:Always looking for the easiest way to make a buck is how we got to this point. CDC seems to be concerned with that above all else. Nah, if I wanted to do that I would have been a culinary instructor. Getting paid the same as I did as chef to sell cheese and antipasti though, that really puts into perspective the joke that is restaurant industry wages.
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May 13, 2019 20:32
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Double posting cause my boss just walked in NOT ONLY in slippers, but almost-sheer Energizer Bunny-pink pajamas.
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Rama of Ra posted:Double posting cause my boss just walked in NOT ONLY in slippers, but almost-sheer Energizer Bunny-pink pajamas. Are you looking for new FOH staff members? Sounds like your boss knows how to get down.
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Rama of Ra posted:Great title change 
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Naelyan posted:Are you looking for new FOH staff members? Sounds like your boss knows how to get down. Are you newly out of high school with limited industry experience, or otherwise prone to not be able to advocate for yourself? Are you looking to work six days a week and still barely make 40 hours? Do you enjoy being infantilized? If so, do I have news for you!
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Sandwich Anarchist posted:Yeah, everyone stay miserable, because we're all complicit. Put that in a circle around a cool drawing of Big the Cat.
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So Saturday, I got real sick to my stomach. Was running to the bathroom every 15 minutes. Chef notices me looking pained and clutching my gut area, asks what's up, and sends me home. Because, y'know, he's an actual human being that knows that me poopin' every quarter hour is NOT a good look/fit for the kitchen. Fortunately, I have Sunday off to recuperate. Monday I'm also off, but it's our payday, so I go into to work to pick up my check. There's a bunch of detectives hanging around. While I have nothing outstanding, I, like a lot of kitchen folks, have a record, and cops leave a bad taste in my mouth, so I grab my check and scoot. Yesterday I come in at 4pm, and we have loving US Marshals milling around the bar. One cook and one bartender immediately flee out the back --- only to be met by 3 more marshals. Turns out what I missed was: Saturday night (technically Sunday morning) right around 2am last call, the bar immediately across the street had a fight start inside. Some chick puked on another chick's shoes, fight ensues. Bar kicks them out, fight continues in the street right in front of our place. Guy in their party goes to his car, gets his gun, and shoots a dude (in the hip; victim hospitalized but otherwise ok). He flees on foot, but police run the car plates/booking history. Turns out his last place of employment listed was for my place (a year ago), hence all the cops/sheriffs/marshals hanging around. Funny-not-funny though how two of my coworkers immediately bolted even though they were clearly not the Person of Interest, though. They apparently caught the shooter while I was at work last night; when I got home and looked up the story one news outlet had a recent update showing his mugshot. Googled his name and he's already got a record for "MAILICIOUS WOUNDING - STABBING", so hopefully they'll keep him locked up a little better this time. Anyways, how this relates to the industry is: news stories are focusing on interviewing the bars/restaurants on my block, some blaming the bouncers for not policing this poo poo better. The bar that kicked the squabbling party out did everything correctly. Then you have comments from hand-wringing citizens that, based on one incident, don't feel safe coming to eat at our establishments downtown (meanwhile, out in the country, we just had a shooting that, I poo poo you not, started over a Ford vs Chevy truck debate). So now you also have stores closing down early and worrying about business taking a downturn. One place that did give an interview (mine did not) mentioned they're ordering metal detector wands and asking for increased police presence. Funny enough, that's the place that EVERYONE in the downtown industry goes to drink at when we get off work, it's nothing but a sea of checks and staff shirts in the outdoor smoking patio after midnight. Kinda sorry I missed all the excitement Saturday night, but not really because police had several blocks cordoned off and I don't think I would've been able to get my car out of the parking garage I use.
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JacquelineDempsey posted:So Saturday, I got real sick to my stomach. Was running to the bathroom every 15 minutes. Chef notices me looking pained and clutching my gut area, asks what's up, and sends me home. Because, y'know, he's an actual human being that knows that me poopin' every quarter hour is NOT a good look/fit for the kitchen. Ughhhhhh this sort of thing is so unfair to those bars and I feel you on the bad feeling around cops - everyone ought to have one, honestly. I quit working in one neighborhood in SF in the late 2000s due to shootings, stabbings and a LITERAL disembowling. I genuinely think/hope that will blow over in a week or so for those places. Good people will come through, industry folks will support, etc. Truly rooting for you, JD!
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Rama of Ra posted:Just checking in to make sure everyone is still miserable. Well yeah, we have to be.
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You ever feel bad because you ruined one hundred pounds of chicken and the boss called you into his office to talk about it and he encouraged you to do better instead of calling you an rear end in a top hat and firing you? I'm confused by people being nice. Part of me would rather be chewed out and beaten down and thrown out.
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Holy poo poo. Tom Aikens thinks the shortage of skilled cooks is due to lack of home economics classes. Here is his dipshit Facebook post.  Absolutely thermonuclear take lol
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Coming from Australia where home ec classes are still mandatory they’re not doing any favors to the hospo industry. A large number of the qualified chefs over here are from India or other parts of Asia and have the qualification cause it allows them to live here permanently. While they aren’t technically bad at their jobs they lack the finesse of a chef who’s been through an apprenticeship cause they spend 18 months learning the trade and not working in the industry.
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Can almost guarantee they will accept less money too, aka the root of the entire problem.
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Sandwich Anarchist posted:Can almost guarantee they will accept less money too, aka the root of the entire problem. 
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Sandwich Anarchist posted:Can almost guarantee they will accept less money too, aka the root of the entire problem. DING DING DING Also J1's get massively hosed with and lied to. The exec chef promises to sign a work visa after your term, then changes jobs, so you're hosed without enough cash to go back home? WELP you didn't have anything in writing so now you know that. The thing is, the guy I knew who got done like that STILL did literally anything but cook ASAP. He splits his time these days driving for uber and evading taxes.
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Liquid Communism posted:That's some weapons-grade victim blaming you've got going there, and I suggest you take it over to D&D or CSPAM where you can argue all day about how it is the workers' fault that the industry they are in abuses them, and they should buckle down and take the abuse as their due for the sin of participating in the industry. It isn't welcome here, in the thread for the restaurant industry. You're very dumb. The point is to change the culture and stop abuses. You don't do that by going into a different line of work. You're just abandoning workers and leaving them with less allies in their field. It's the whitest privilege way to handle it which is why CDC is the perfect mascot for it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Tezcatlipoca posted:You're very dumb. The point is to change the culture and stop abuses. You don't do that by going into a different line of work. You're just abandoning workers and leaving them with less allies in their field. It's the whitest privilege way to handle it which is why CDC is the perfect mascot for it. Lots of people don't have an option, and if you're passionate/love it that's fantastic, but the person you're helping if you stick around when you dont want to is your boss. No Wave fucked around with this message at 18:08 on May 21, 2019 |
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Listen, if you get into this business, you have to stay in it until all the problems are fixed or you will face the wrath of virtue signaling internet socialist Tenochtitlan. In all seriousness though, making GBS threads on someone for doing what is best for themselves instead of staying miserable and fighting for everyone is a really bad way to radicalize people, and a huge reason why we never get anywhere; we spend so much time infighting and purity testing that nobody gets anything done. The moral is, you suck.
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Tezcatlipoca posted:You're very dumb. The point is to change the culture and stop abuses. You don't do that by going into a different line of work. You're just abandoning workers and leaving them with less allies in their field. It's the whitest privilege way to handle it which is why CDC is the perfect mascot for it. my man, cdc has many flaws. --incredibly basic, down to a curated list of favorite subreddits --listens to videogame soundtracks unironically --keeps running his bike into cars for the insurance money --texan but "didn't put up with enough terrible things from the industry and left folks counting on him as soon as it was convenient" is not one of them. he'd still be loving working it except his exec tried to term him on the spot for refusing to work with virally contagious poo squirting out his rear end every ten minutes. You don't get a medal for putting up with abuse, you don't get a high score multiplier for working a lot and having shitall to show for it. I can see myself around 2010/2011 saying something like what you are saying now. A lot has happened to me since then. Now that I've made my own exit my desire for 2,000 word screeds about the horrible things I've seen and done has disappeared and despite a bunch of drama and troubles I'm in a much better place for it, but suffice to say neither he nor I have anything to prove to you or anybody. This industry is bad. Bad people run it, and they tear good people apart. It does not get reformed by being a good person who goes home six nights a week with the adrenaline shakes and a deep desire to crawl into the rest of the bottle of scotch, it gets reformed with napalm and artillery strikes.
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I'll just chime in to this argument with: Hey! Guess what I overheard Saturday! According to our owner, women have no place in the kitchen! I've been Godzilla-scale furious about this over my two days off, about to go back in for tonight's shift. I'm a loving softie and will will give my proper 2 weeks notice if I can find something else, but gently caress YOU if you think I'm giving this rich, retired white male lawyer who knows such jack poo poo about food that he complained that our crostini were "stale" another loving goddamn penny
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JacquelineDempsey posted:I'll just chime in to this argument with: Um excuse me, it is your duty to continue to work there and change this man's mind about these things. If you leave you're just abandoning the workers.
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Sandwich Anarchist posted:Um excuse me, it is your duty to continue to work there and change this man's mind about these things. If you leave you're just abandoning the workers. This. In fact perhaps you should take a pay cut just to prove you can tough it out like a guy.
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the first row of image results for clostridium difficile are insanely funny btw  What did the guy mean "stale" did he actually mean to say "cold"? Because that's all I got... just.... warm 'em up some I guess that's about all you can do for crostini
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JacquelineDempsey posted:I'll just chime in to this argument with: Don't let it get to you, JD. you just got to a better place! Get references from the people who DO like your work ethic first (like the people who did welcome you in), THEN bring it up with the boss. If only because the best revenge is living well: Make it your boss's problem, leverage it into a raise, and use that to negotiate your next position better.
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Willie Tomg posted:the first row of image results for clostridium difficile are insanely funny btw No, he meant stale as in hard, aka what a crostini is supposed to be. He doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Tezcatlipoca posted:You're very dumb. The point is to change the culture and stop abuses. You don't do that by going into a different line of work. You're just abandoning workers and leaving them with less allies in their field. It's the whitest privilege way to handle it which is why CDC is the perfect mascot for it. This performative wokeness is a poor fit for this thread, as I told you last time you trotted it out. I suggest you meditate on the level of privilege it takes to 'tough it out' and keep enduring poor working conditions and low pay rather than moving on to something else that offers better prospects to support the people a worker is responsible for, even if that means only themself. It is not the responsibility of abused labor to stick around and try and reform their abuser.
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Liquid Communism posted:This performative wokeness is a poor fit for this thread, as I told you last time you trotted it out. I suggest you meditate on the level of privilege it takes to 'tough it out' and keep enduring poor working conditions and low pay rather than moving on to something else that offers better prospects to support the people a worker is responsible for, even if that means only themself. Maybe if we required every citizen to eat out or face a stiff tax penalty the foodservice industry could afford to pay its employees a living wage.
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Coasterphreak posted:Maybe if we required every citizen to eat out or face a stiff tax penalty the foodservice industry could afford to pay its employees a living wage. Oh we're doing the "restaurants can't afford to pay people" thing now? If your profit margins are so low that you can't afford to pay your staff, you don't deserve a loving restaurant. Your poor business choices and inability to research a market and control your costs and accounts are not the responsibility of your staff. gently caress you. Edit: Poe's Law, my dude. Sorry!
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I work in this industry because I hate myself AND I hate others. Also I enjoy squandering my potential.
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JacquelineDempsey posted:I'll just chime in to this argument with: If you need an alibi for where you were Saturday night, I got you fam.
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