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ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Jimbot posted:

Oh, so it's going to be a post-Civil War documentary?

Our current president recently said Lincoln lost the war.

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours

ruddiger posted:

Our current president recently said Lincoln lost the war.

Given what followed, I'm inclined to say he was right.

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.
History calls the guys who said "well the South lost and slavery sucks rear end and we should not tolerate these traitorous losers" the 'Radical Republicans' and that's all you need to know, really.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
Didn't Ang Lee do mocap for Hulk anyway? Second best Hulk rite there

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

garycoleisgod posted:

I read the article (TLDR; it's stupid) and they are:

1) Ridley Scott - Blade Runner
2) Tommy Wiseau - The Room
3) Paul Feig - Ghostbusters (2016)
4) George Lucas - The Star Wars Prequels (of course they include Lucas and all the poo poo about yes men and too much CGI)
5) Tony Kaye - American History X
6) M. Night Shyamalan - Glass
7) McG - Terminator Salvation
8) Peter Farrelly - Green Book
9) Colin Trevorrow - The Book Of Henry

and of course our boy Snyder.

It's a terrible article too, because in the case at least of Feig, McG, Shyamalan and Trevorrow the "not understanding" the directors show is ... thinking their movie was good when it in fact was bad? That's not a misunderstanding! It's just not making a good movie!

And Glass wasn't bad, it was great!

Ridley Scott's interpretation of Blade Runner is almost too obviously the correct one and that dink put it #1 on the list lol

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

FilthyImp posted:

Didn't Ang Lee do mocap for Hulk anyway? Second best Hulk rite there

Haha hell yeah, I completely forgot about that. Watching Ang Lee hulk out in a mocap suit is awesome as gently caress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7-iL6AS-5Y

Dreqqus
Feb 21, 2013

BAMF!
I'm not a huge fan of Snyder's movies but I love this thread. You folks don't seem to be infected with the cinemasins like so much of the internet.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Dreqqus posted:

I'm not a huge fan of Snyder's movies but I love this thread. You folks don't seem to be infected with the cinemasins like so much of the internet.

The infuriating thing about cinemasins is how they list "sins" that they claim don't make any sense, but in actuality was explained in the movie and they just weren't paying attention. I see that alot in movie threads these days

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010

McCloud posted:

The infuriating thing about cinemasins is how they list "sins" that they claim don't make any sense, but in actuality was explained in the movie and they just weren't paying attention. I see that alot in movie threads these days

I occasionally click forward just to see what they do. There was one for Casino Royale, during the fight at the airport going 'I can't get invested since I don't know this guy's skill level.' I mean, you're watching the movie now, you can see his skill level: comparable to James Bond.

There was, back in the early aughts, a site called Chef Elf. He did an article called something like 90 things wrong with the Phantom Menace. It wasn't bad. However, he tried to do the exact same thing with Episode 2 and 3, with the number going up each time. By halfway through episode 3, he's listing faults like 'Jimmy Smits is there' and 'the spaceships have too many wings'

Cinemasins is the same deal. Genuinely bad movies would have heaps of stuff to comment on, while for things like Fury Road or Casino Royale, which are great, there aren't really enough faults to fill out a video that's long enough to monetise. It ends up 90% banal observations like 'how sweaty is this guy?' and 'oh what, he just knows how fix engines?' Once you have a format/gimmick, you try to fit movies to that format that really don't fit.

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

A woman I follow on Twitter, Donnia Harrington, interviewed Snyder for her MFA thesis. It's an interey read:

https://comicbookdebate.com/2019/05/20/exclusive-an-interview-with-zack-snyder/

quote:

Sucker Punch was the first film that Snyder made that wasn’t based on an existing property. It was a female-led blockbuster based on an original story he wrote. Because of studio interference from Warner Bros., the film was edited down for general audiences, and even the extended version released on DVD wasn’t Snyder’s intended cut. The general consensus from critics claimed the film was sexist, but Snyder felt they misinterpreted it.

Zack Snyder: “I’m always shocked that it was so badly misunderstood. I always said that it was a commentary on sexism and geek culture. Someone would ask me, “Why did you film the girls this way?” And I’d say, “Well you did!” Sucker Punch is a gently caress you to a lot of people who will watch it.” When I asked him if he considered Sucker Punch to be a timely film, in particular with the #MeToo movement and the themes of the film paralleling the experiences of assault survivors, Snyder told me it was liable to happen.

He added that he hopes, one day, the true director’s cut of the film would be released. Warner Bros. heavily altered Snyder’s original idea for Sucker Punch to make it more audience-friendly.

Zack Snyder: “To make them think they’ve had a great show, the movie got changed by the studio for the audience. The voiceover [in the beginning of the film] doesn’t address the actual injustices, but addresses the way the studio would want you to feel, and they don’t want to offend anybody.”

“It’s self-empowering, but doesn’t challenge you the way it was supposed to.” While he thought the voiceover was a “contrived post-production mechanism,” he agreed with the message, even if it was conventional.

quote:


Zack Snyder: “With Army [of the Dead], it’s difficult not to do to a social statement because the movie is about building a wall for refugees and veterans but it’s also fun to do a zombie heist in Vegas. It makes it richer and better. I can’t help myself. I’ve always worked in a self-reflective way. Cinema is a reflective art form.”

Snyder has multiple projects he wants to work on even while he films Army of the Dead in the summer of 2019. For years, he’s wanted to adapt Ayn Rand’s The Fountainhead. For a while, it was thought that that would be his next project. Although it’s on hold for now, Snyder still has a script in development, not for a feature length film, but for a television series.

Zack Snyder: “The Fountainhead… It’s still important to me, but it’s a really touchy subject right now. People will think it’s hardcore right wing propaganda, but I don’t view it like that. I just think the story is super fun and crazy and melodramatic about architecture and sex.” He added, “It’s about time we get a different president so we don’t take poo poo so seriously!”


It's neat, give it a read

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Lmao the Fountainhead is going to be magical

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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I am looking forward to his new film a whole lot tbh. Im glad he's not doing comic stuff for a bit.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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Just gonna quote the whole Fountainhead bit:

quote:

Snyder has multiple projects he wants to work on even while he films Army of the Dead in the summer of 2019. For years, he’s wanted to adapt Ayn Rand’s The Fountainhead. For a while, it was thought that that would be his next project. Although it’s on hold for now, Snyder still has a script in development, not for a feature length film, but for a television series.

Zack Snyder: “The Fountainhead… It’s still important to me, but it’s a really touchy subject right now. People will think it’s hardcore right wing propaganda, but I don’t view it like that. I just think the story is super fun and crazy and melodramatic about architecture and sex.” He added, “It’s about time we get a different president so we don’t take poo poo so seriously!”

He told me about a conversation he had had with a woman who wrote a book about Rand, and how the woman told him that during conservative regimes, Rand became very unpopular but during liberal regimes, she became popular again. “Not because they’re looking for it, or afraid of it, it’s because of the seriousness with which Rand is viewed varies in regime and power.”

Zack Snyder: “I think she’s incredible and insane and she’s always said story first, not regarding her politics. But it was easy for her to fall victim to her own popularity, and she drank her own Kool-Aid.” Snyder starts laughing. “She didn’t give a gently caress. If she was alive right now she would’ve loving murdered Donald Trump. She didn’t even like Reagan! She thought he was a nationalist. But I’m rambling now, sorry!”

It's almost perfectly infuriating. Roll on Netflix's The Fountainhead, a ten episode miniseries.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

All of that is gonna be ignored so hard and he's gonna be labeled a Randian now and forever.

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

josh04 posted:

It's almost perfectly infuriating.

Hahah seriously. Good on him for being honest tho and not just throwing her under the bus. But yeah that fact that he didn't is just going to add fuel to the fire; anyone reading that is just going to confirm what they already think about him.

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.
What a fantastic weirdo.

quote:

There’s even a script written by his screenwriter friend for a Napoleon movie “in the form of Scarface” being considered. “I think it’s loving awesome.”

OH MY GOD

Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 22:31 on May 20, 2019

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Guy A. Person posted:

Hahah seriously. Good on him for being honest tho and not just throwing her under the bus. But yeah that fact that he didn't is just going to add fuel to the fire; anyone reading that is just going to confirm what they already think about him.

He outright (heh) says she drank her own coolaid and implied she was cray cray for thinking Reagen wasn't too far right enough.

So naturally people will interpret that as Snyder agreeing with Rand that Reagan was a nstionalist :shrug:

The Cameo
Jan 20, 2005


Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

What a fantastic weirdo.


OH MY GOD

DITES BONJOUR AU PETIT MOI *overdoses on arsenic*

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

I gotta say, “I hope we get a new president so people stop taking things so seriously” is a Tier One Clueless White Guy take. I love Zach and I think he definitely isn’t a Randian but it’s a very tone-deaf thing to say.

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.
It's the politics of a rich guy. It's all just a game to them because they won't be materially affected by the outcome either way, it's just a couple more zeroes in an account for their great-great-great grandkids. Adam Smith called it. He also said that they would view wars and noble and honorable and good to participate in, because they didn't know anyone who would be fighting them - they were just stories in the newspaper.

Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

DC Murderverse posted:

I gotta say, “I hope we get a new president so people stop taking things so seriously” is a Tier One Clueless White Guy take. I love Zach and I think he definitely isn’t a Randian but it’s a very tone-deaf thing to say.

I mean, it's exactly the same take as the liberal "If Hilary had won we'd all be at brunch right now" crowd, which is absolutely loving hilarious.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

I like brunch

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours

Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

I mean, it's exactly the same take as the liberal "If Hilary had won we'd all be at brunch right now" crowd, which is absolutely loving hilarious.

He's basically the same kind of liberal as every other Hollywood lib.

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

He's basically the same kind of liberal as every other Hollywood lib.

"Class interests trump personal identity." --Karl Marx, basically

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

"Class interests trump personal identity." --Karl Marx, basically

I. B. Jugashvili: You, Mr. Wayne, evidently start out with the assumption that all men are good. I, however, do not forget that there are many wicked men. I do not believe in the goodness of the bourgeoisie.

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.
Was IMing with a friend about a completely different movie and then we got to talking about Batman the Animated series. I stumbled across this thought while I was talking to him, just going to put it here. Re: Batman v Superman

I can't deny that making Batman a reactionary right-winger who is one bad day away from going full-on Cheney is great. Particularly because it's a subversion of Joker's expectation in Killing Joke. In that comic, Joker theorizes that Batman is one bad day from becoming a psychopath. He's wrong. It turns out that seeing Superman, seeing a world that doesn't need Batman and in which he's powerless and forced to return to the same mental state as his traumatic origin, is what does it. It's cool because in his origin story it's made clear that he sees himself as The Superman, he's visually framed as being the "original" Superman, he falls down into the cave and literally flies out (in a dream), shot from below his outstretched arms and swarming bats make him look like the Batman symbol.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Is that interview why the Snydercut fanbase are super active lately or did something else happen?

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

Jimbot posted:

Is that interview why the Snydercut fanbase are super active lately or did something else happen?

someone probably told them that if Brightburn made enough money then the Hollywood Bigwigs would reconsider releasing a movie that's basically an alternate version of an existing Zach Snyder movie

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

I heard some group raised piddly 11k for the Snydercut.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Jimbot posted:

Is that interview why the Snydercut fanbase are super active lately or did something else happen?
Basically since Snyder did the Q & A sessions and said the Syndercut exists and it’s up to WB if they ever want to release it, the Snydercut has been more active. Snyder has also been posting production stills of the Snydercut and commenting on how his version was different than what we got.

Violator
May 15, 2003


Mr. Apollo posted:

Basically since Snyder did the Q & A sessions and said the Syndercut exists and it’s up to WB if they ever want to release it, the Snydercut has been more active. Snyder has also been posting production stills of the Snydercut and commenting on how his version was different than what we got.

Anything super interesting lately? I keep up with his Vero photo posts but don’t see a lot of his comments.

Equeen
Oct 29, 2011

Pole dance~
i rather be snyder be all "architecture~" than "rand has a bunch of great ideas, and i want to spread her message" tbh.

i mean, i'm already see people in other threads (i won't name them) using that excerpt proving that he's totally a randian because... he's oblivious to rand's politics.

Hellbunny
Dec 24, 2008

I'm not bad, I'm just misunderstood.

Equeen posted:

i rather be snyder be all "architecture~" than "rand has a bunch of great ideas, and i want to spread her message" tbh.

i mean, i'm already see people in other threads (i won't name them) using that excerpt proving that he's totally a randian because... he's oblivious to rand's politics.

The internet personality thread is...wild.

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010
There's something about Zack Snyder that just blinds people. I mean, i get disliking someone's films, but people go out of their way to misread films, statements, scenes...even individual lines of dialogue. It's become a performative thing to prove that you hate Snyder more than anyone else. It's just bizarre. I just had a reminder on my facebook feed of people saying Sucker Punch's action scenes were so badly shot they gave people motion sickness. Whatever you feel about Sucker Punch...that's just not true.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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Snowman_McK posted:

There's something about "Any director of a nerd franchise" that just blinds people. I mean, i get disliking someone's films, but people go out of their way to misread films, statements, scenes...even individual lines of dialogue.

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010

Nah. No one seems to provoke the level of vitriol and flat out falsehood that Snyder does. I know people hate Rian Johnson, but when they describe the Last Jedi, it at least sounds like they watched the same movie you did.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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George Lucas. The Game of Thrones dudes.
Although not a director but throw Brie Larson on there too.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Zack Snyder stuff comes from people who should know better. Brie Larson hate comes from chuds screaming about feminism or some poo poo. George Lucas's comes from middle-age nerds who unironically say he "raped their childhoods" with the Prequel films. Game of Thrones just feels like people have the George Lucas level of disappointment thrown at them. In all of these cases they're not so much attacks on them as it is their work and them related to that work. Game of Throne Guys and George Lucas may get "this movie they just put out will probably be bad because they made bad things in the past". Zack Snyder tends to get "this movie he just put out is bad because Zack Snyder is a woman-hating Randian fascist who puts rape in everything he makes".


Judging from his comments, his The Fountainhead movie sounds like it'll be something similar to "The Wolf of Wall Street".

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010

Jimbot posted:

Judging from his comments, his The Fountainhead movie sounds like it'll be something similar to "The Wolf of Wall Street".

loving hell, we're in for a storm. So many people who think of themselves as woke managed to miss the point of that movie so very badly.

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Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Lucas is a very good call although even in his case they seem to think he's just a big lucky idiot instead of an evil fascist. Michael Bay is probably another similar one although, again, there doesn't seem to be a contingent who thinks he is an evil person to my knowledge (although maybe I'm not looking in the right places).

The Game of Thrones guys' biggest prior credit between the two of them was X-Men Origins: Wolverine, they're very bad at their jobs but were smart enough to see the potential of the series and ride GRRMs coattails hard.

The Brie Larson poo poo is disgusting although Jimbot's right that the people hating on her are already hateful bigots, there's a good amount of otherwise smart people who just have terrible takes on Snyder.

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