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Oneiros posted:my favorite experience with this was when i caught one of our hr peeps posting the internal job listing in the break room/kitchen. behind the refrigerator.
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dragon enthusiast posted:on one hand i appreciate them telling me up front that i shouldn't be getting my hopes up, but on the other hand lmao at "hey want to help us do crimes" Stern reminder that this company is willingly depriving you, the native, of what could otherwise be a lucrative opportunity, but also possibly depriving a truly high skilled foreigner of a chance to work in the most advanced tech sector on the planet, just so they can hire some bargain basement peasant who is friends with the company. Do not have even the smallest modicum of sympathy for these bastards. qhat fucked around with this message at 09:07 on May 22, 2019 |
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What's the implied order of worthiness here? Citizens of USA, skilled foreigners, unskilled people?
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I just see it as if you're not exceptional (to me this is well over six figures), native citizens should always take strong precedence over you in skills based immigration. Unskilled should not be eligible for anything other than strictly temporary or family based immigration.
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May 22, 2019 09:52
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gently caress that open the borders
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Fiedler posted:gently caress that open the borders
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It sounds radical but the emancipation of the serfs probably sounded radical at the time as well.
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Opening the borders is a great idea if you're not in a profession that has actual real global competition.
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qhat posted:I just see it as if you're not exceptional (to me this is well over six figures), native citizens should always take strong precedence over you in skills based immigration. Unskilled should not be eligible for anything other than strictly temporary or family based immigration. economic migrants are bad except when they are me, literally.
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qhat posted:Opening the borders is a great idea if you're not in a profession that has actual real global competition. gently caress that open the borders
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Also if you're so bad at your job that you need to stop other people being able to apply for it then you probably don't deserve it.
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Or companies use it as an excuse to get indentured servants for a few years, instead of paying both kinds of people the going rate.
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Defenestrategy posted:Or companies use it as an excuse to get indentured servants for a few years, instead of paying both kinds of people the going rate. Absolutely. In the UK companies can sponsor someone's visa but they lose their job they lose their visa....so you can treat them like poo poo what they going to do get deported? We're not large enough a company to do visa sponsorship either so it's a nice competitive edge for our larger competition.
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dragon enthusiast posted:on one hand i appreciate them telling me up front that i shouldn't be getting my hopes up, but on the other hand lmao at "hey want to help us do crimes" They don't want you to help them do crimes. They want nobody at all to apply; actually having to interview you would be a waste of time for them too.
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qhat posted:Opening the borders is a great idea if you're not in a profession that has actual real global competition. Strong avatar post combo. Shut the gently caress up.
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feedmegin posted:They don't want you to help them do crimes. They want nobody at all to apply; actually having to interview you would be a waste of time for them too. And this is why they never tell you why they said thanks but no thanks. They don't want to open themselves up to a lawsuit or legal trouble. It's entirely possible that that internal posting that guy found was meant for a W-2 contract going to full time employment. That's what happened for me at a prior job I was a contractor for. iospace fucked around with this message at 13:09 on May 22, 2019 |
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May 22, 2019 13:06
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Rex-Goliath posted:
nah just ban qhat and call it a day
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Aramoro posted:Also if you're so bad at your job that you need to stop other people being able to apply for it then you probably don't deserve it. Actually I never proposed that. In fact, I said the exact opposite. If you're in a high skill profession, absolutely your job should be open to competition from around the globe, and absolutely you should be allowed to freely compete for jobs globally. That's exactly what skills based immigration is? It's easy to argue for open borders when your job is not the one that needs insulation from a large global movement of labor. I'm not arguing against that some countries currently do it badly, but to argue for no controls on immigration ever is pretty disingenuous, especially considering virtually every country on the planet has at least some. qhat fucked around with this message at 13:57 on May 22, 2019 |
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qhat posted:Actually I never proposed that. In fact, I said the exact opposite. If you're in a high skill profession, absolutely your job should be open to competition from around the globe, and absolutely you should be allowed to freely compete for jobs globally. That's exactly what skills based immigration is? It's easy to argue for open borders when your job is not the one that needs insulation from a large global movement of labor. I'm not arguing against that some countries currently do it badly, but to argue for no controls on immigration ever is pretty disingenuous, especially considering virtually every country on the planet has at least some. Hilarious. Well done. Here's the thing: the unskilled labor you and the rest of the right crow about? They're doing the jobs that you feel you're above because you make all the figgies. Shut up.
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iospace posted:Hilarious. Well done. What are you talking about? What does immigration have to do with the right? Are you suggesting that countries that are verifiably left are somehow more likely to have open borders policies than countries on the right? Hint: they aren't.
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qhat posted:Actually I never proposed that. In fact, I said the exact opposite. If you're in a high skill profession, absolutely your job should be open to competition from around the globe, and absolutely you should be allowed to freely compete for jobs globally. That's exactly what skills based immigration is? It's easy to argue for open borders when your job is not the one that needs insulation from a large global movement of labor. let's develop this, qhat why does software development, as you imply, "need insulation from a large global movement of labor"
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Ciaphas posted:let's develop this, qhat Can you quote me where I "implied" that? It doesn't, software developers make extremely large amounts of money in the USA relative to other countries. Do I care that jobs in my industry are, in general, widely open to people from other countries? Not at all. But I'm also not arrogant enough to suggest that what the taxi industry in the states could really use is yet more labor competition from around the globe through an open borders immigration policy.
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qhat posted:Can you quote me where I "implied" that? It doesn't, software developers make extremely large amounts of money in the USA relative to other countries. Do I care that jobs in my industry are, in general, widely open to people from other countries? Not at all. But I'm also not arrogant enough to suggest that what the taxi industry in the states could really use is yet more labor competition from around the globe through an open borders immigration policy. ah, the fishmech maneuver
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qhat posted:Opening the borders is a great idea if you're not in a profession that has actual real global competition. We are all in a profession with real actual global competition. It still sounds like a great idea. Your posting is making little sense here, programming is one of the most globally transferable skills there are, so one presumably you believe that natives as you call them should get preference over immigrants. Aramoro fucked around with this message at 14:52 on May 22, 2019 |
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(in 'just fell into way more figgies' voice) people can do whatever the heck they want. marry a horse. just don't increase my dang taxes
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Bloody posted:make country borders follow in the footsteps of bookstore borders closed permanently?
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Flat Daddy posted:closed permanently? Non-existent.
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Aramoro posted:We are all in a profession with real actual global competition. It still sounds like a great idea. Even here in Canada where immigration policy is pretty tightly hewed to a points based system, the salaries for software developers are pretty insanely high for the average person. That is largely because it's difficult to find good software engineers even here in a place where a software developer can get PR without even setting foot in the country. That global competition in software is really not that strong.
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just to make sure i've got this right you think lax immigration is bad for the poor?
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qhat posted:Can you quote me where I "implied" that? It doesn't, software developers make extremely large amounts of money in the USA relative to other countries. Do I care that jobs in my industry are, in general, widely open to people from other countries? Not at all. But I'm also not arrogant enough to suggest that what the taxi industry in the states could really use is yet more labor competition from around the globe through an open borders immigration policy. qhat posted:I just see it as if you're not exceptional (to me this is well over six figures), native citizens should always take strong precedence over you in skills based immigration. Unskilled should not be eligible for anything other than strictly temporary or family based immigration. qhat i appreciate some of your advice ITT but you're not even good at fishmeching
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Ciaphas posted:less implied and more "explicitly stated" i suppose, but sure Maybe I miscommunicated that, I was actually implying that software devs are a part of the "well over six figures" group, which in the states they are.
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qhat posted:But I'm also not arrogant enough to suggest that what the taxi industry in the states could really use is yet more labor competition from around the globe through an open borders immigration policy. the solution to excess labor in a labor market is not "have the government build a big loving wall to keep some laborers out of the market." this isn't the 1800s - there are other, better forms of government intervention in the market available to us these days.
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and one clarification: actual immigration laws are not now and have never been motivated by the plight of the unskilled laborer.
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Fiedler posted:and one clarification: actual immigration laws are not now and have never been motivated by the plight of the unskilled laborer. If they were they would let unskilled labourers move to high income countries.
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Looking at moving to the nearest-largest job market (Chicago).
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Bloody posted:make country borders follow in the footsteps of bookstore borders 'superceded by amazon'?
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