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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Although maybe all third-way liberals are amoral, greedy hedonists? Ting-a-ling!
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Iron Crowned posted:Firefly on Blu Ray is I think down to $10 at Walmart. Every time I see it I think, "maybe I should upgrade," then I buy some ice cream instead. I upgraded at some point in 08 or 09 and I think I've watched it once just to say I watched it. I'm not sure when exactly I soured on the show but I feel like the fanbase that won't let it die is part of the reason.
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Len posted:I upgraded at some point in 08 or 09 and I think I've watched it once just to say I watched it. I'm not sure when exactly I soured on the show but I feel like the fanbase that won't let it die is part of the reason. Yeah, I think part of it is that in the last decade it hasn't aged well, and the fanbase is pretty much the final nail in the coffin.
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May 22, 2019 14:04
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:. C'mon guys. It was right there.
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May 22, 2019 15:05
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Aesop Poprock posted:I had a roommate who was a hardcore libertarian and was obsessed with Firedly. His go to presents for birthdays and Christmas were the entire series of it and a Stefan Molyneux book Firefly isn't an awful show, but it is definitely not the show the hardcore fans believe it to be. And I didn't know Molyneux was a libertarian. I just thought he made video games.
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May 22, 2019 15:28
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Leavemywife posted:Firefly isn't an awful show, but it is definitely not the show the hardcore fans believe it to be. And I didn't know Molyneux was a libertarian. I just thought he made video games. The video games Molyneux is Peter.
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May 22, 2019 15:33
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Leavemywife posted:Firefly isn't an awful show, but it is definitely not the show the hardcore fans believe it to be. And I didn't know Molyneux was a libertarian. I just thought he made video games. Its short life contributes to the myth. They could kid themselves that if, only if it had been allowed to continue, its brilliance would be obvious to all. Because imaginary creations will always be better than ones besmirched by actual existence. How they accommodate the movie is anyone's guess.
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May 22, 2019 16:40
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nonathlon posted:Its short life contributes to the myth. They could kid themselves that if, only if it had been allowed to continue, its brilliance would be obvious to all. Because imaginary creations will always be better than ones besmirched by actual existence. This exact mindset was also used by the B5:Excalibur people but then the direct-to-distribution sequels bombed hard and the new tv pilot movie was also aggressively mediocre so they shut up about keeping the B5 franchise alive.
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May 22, 2019 16:43
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Iron Crowned posted:Yeah, I think part of it is that in the last decade it hasn't aged well, and the fanbase is pretty much the final nail in the coffin. Same here. I still really enjoy the show, the actors are a lot of fun to watch (too bad Adam Baldwin is even more nuts than his characters), and I enjoyed it for what it was. But holy poo poo, the fans. During the peak (or maybe nadir?) of my fandom, I actually watched some documentary about the series and its fans. I found the first 30 minutes of behind-the-scenes stuff interesting, but the rest was self-congratulatory fandom bullshit that made me roll my eyes so hard. Der Kyhe posted:This exact mindset was also used by the B5:Excalibur people but then the direct-to-distribution sequels bombed hard and the new tv pilot movie was also aggressively mediocre so they shut up about keeping the B5 franchise alive. There was some interesting stuff in Crusade (and I'd love to know what the actual cure for the Drakh plague was supposed to be), but those movies just kept getting worse and worse.
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May 22, 2019 16:51
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Der Kyhe posted:This exact mindset was also used by the B5:Excalibur people but then the direct-to-distribution sequels bombed hard and the new tv pilot movie was also aggressively mediocre so they shut up about keeping the B5 franchise alive. B5 died the moment Crusade died. Crusade never had a chance. Not only did TNT not air the episodes in order, but it had Gary Cole as it's lead.
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May 22, 2019 16:54
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Rascar Capac posted:The video games Molyneux is Peter. If I had a dollar for every time I forgot which was which...
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May 22, 2019 16:56
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wizzardstaff posted:If I had a dollar for every time I forgot which was which... The handy thing to remember is that someone once tweeted to him by saying that "Stephen is an idiot", to which the crazy Molyneux correted it to "*Stefan is an idiot".
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May 22, 2019 17:34
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wizzardstaff posted:If I had a dollar for every time I forgot which was which... They are both garbage humans in different ways. mojo1701a posted:The handy thing to remember is that someone once tweeted to him by saying that "Stephen is an idiot", to which the crazy Molyneux correted it to "*Stefan is an idiot". Sounds like a joke I would make.
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May 22, 2019 17:36
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sweet geek swag posted:B5 died the moment Crusade died. Crusade never had a chance. Not only did TNT not air the episodes in order, but it had Gary Cole as it's lead. It also had characters who were literally a fighter, a cleric, a wizard, and a thief, and they flew around in a ship that looked like and was named after a sword. The show was literally dungeons and dragon in space.
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May 22, 2019 18:06
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mojo1701a posted:The handy thing to remember is that someone once tweeted to him by saying that "Stephen is an idiot", to which the crazy Molyneux correted it to "*Stefan is an idiot". That would have been a humanizing moment if he wasn't, y'know, him
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May 22, 2019 18:45
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Sweevo posted:It also had characters who were literally a fighter, a cleric, a wizard, and a thief, and they flew around in a ship that looked like and was named after a sword. The show was literally dungeons and dragon in space. Isn't there an episode where they also land on a planet that's ripped right out of a D&D campaign? Been a while since I watched it. christmas boots posted:That would have been a humanizing moment if he wasn't, y'know, him Absolutely. Dude's hosed.
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May 22, 2019 20:14
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Jedit posted:Peter David also wrote for Babylon 5, it's where he met Mumy I think. He did two episodes in S2, including the one with the B5 gift shop where Sheridan ejects a teddy bear into space at the end of the episode. The same teddy bear later appeared in Space Cases, and one of the cast asked what kind of dope would eject a perfectly good teddy bear into space. (The answer is "J Michael Straczynski" - JMS hates cutesy stuffed toys with a vengeance, and he wrote the ejection scene himself.) I wonder if that monogrammed bear is why he went from Jeffrey Sinclair to John Sheridan and not to Daniel Rutherford or something.
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May 23, 2019 03:35
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J Michael Straczynski likes to give characters the initials JS, it's just a thing he does
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May 23, 2019 07:57
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nonathlon posted:Its short life contributes to the myth. They could kid themselves that if, only if it had been allowed to continue, its brilliance would be obvious to all. Because imaginary creations will always be better than ones besmirched by actual existence. Tim Minnear posted:[Inara] had this magic syringe. She would take this drug. And if she were, for instance, raped, the rapist would die a horrible death. The story was that she gets kidnapped by Reavers and when Mal finally got to the ship to save her from the Reavers, he gets on the Reaver ship and all the Reavers are dead. Which would suggest a kind of really bad assault. At the end of the episode, he comes in after she's been horribly brutalized, and he comes in and he gets down on his knee, and he takes her hand. And he treats her like a lady. And that's the kind of stuff that we wanted to do. It was very dark. And this was actually the first story that Joss pitched to me when he asked me to come work on the show. He said, 'These are the kind of stories we're going to do.'
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Firefly is still a fun show to revisit every once in awhile but it's definitely not without its flaws. The Mal/Inara stuff was the cringiest part of the show for sure.
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May 23, 2019 08:13
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I liked the show when I thought it was super progressive and diverse and feminist because I was dumb, but then I noticed a lot of things that didn't sit right, like how for a world that is supposedly a mix of American and Chinese culture, the Chinese part was kind of tacked on in most aspects, and that for a supposedly integrated world it was almost entirely white people, with the exceptions off the top of my head being the priest and the prostitute. Also the prostitute got called a whore on the reg by the supposedly heroic main character. I havent been able to watch it all the way through since high school, and not just because learning Chinese made the Chinese super funny when you realize they can barely pronounce it.
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May 23, 2019 08:16
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hard counter posted:lexx is pretty good but also so drat weird that i have absolutely no read on what kind of person i could/should recommend it to People who spent high school playing Star Control 2 in between bouts of scouring random dial-up BBSs for porn while watching MST3K? Not that I would know any of those people, no sireee.
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Don Gato posted:I liked the show when I thought it was super progressive and diverse and feminist because I was dumb, but then I noticed a lot of things that didn't sit right, like how for a world that is supposedly a mix of American and Chinese culture, the Chinese part was kind of tacked on in most aspects, and that for a supposedly integrated world it was almost entirely white people, with the exceptions off the top of my head being the priest and the prostitute. Also the prostitute got called a whore on the reg by the supposedly heroic main character. I think you see exactly one Chinese person on screen and they're a nameless vendor. Worldbuilding!
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I googled some info and hopefully this answers your questions hth https://firefly.fandom.com/wiki/Chinese
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oldpainless posted:I googled some info and hopefully this answers your questions hth I hate stupid sci-fi bullshit like this with no roots in reality.
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I assumed that was for killing herself. This is so much dumber. Maybe what the network did was a mercy.
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While it's never expanded on we actually fuckin' see this box of Insane Anti Rape Space Drug in the pilot episode when the Reavers attack. Joss Whedon has a couple good ideas and about a million really terrible ones.
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ReidRansom posted:I assumed that was for killing herself. This is so much dumber. Maybe what the network did was a mercy. Yeah, that's what I had assumed at the time too. I had forgotten what it was actually supposed to be until today. The thing is that a suicide box is much more interesting because it's a bit of mystery since most people wouldn't have something like that without a reason (espionage maybe?). Then again this is Joss Wheadon, who only pretends to be clever.
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ReidRansom posted:I assumed that was for killing herself. This is so much dumber. Maybe what the network did was a mercy. Yeah, me too. Now that I know it's an anti-rape death sentence like that ninja girl from Ninja Scroll it feels super stupid.
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May 23, 2019 13:27
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Solice Kirsk posted:Yeah, me too. Now that I know it's an anti-rape death sentence like that ninja girl from Ninja Scroll it feels super stupid. Talk about a poison womb, rite guys! I'm sorry 
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May 23, 2019 13:35
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Iron Crowned posted:Talk about a poison womb, rite guys! So the woman can stop the rape if she really wants to?
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May 23, 2019 13:43
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With enough Kegel exercises a woman's vagina can become as impenetrable as a clenched fist. That's just science.
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Tsaedje posted:J Michael Straczynski likes to give characters the initials JS, it's just a thing he does I feel very dumb for not having realized this.
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Solice Kirsk posted:With enough Kegel exercises a woman's vagina can become as impenetrable as a clenched fist. That's just science. Bene Gesseritt witch!
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Don Gato posted:Also the prostitute got called a whore on the reg by the supposedly heroic main character. Don't forget the episode where they go to a brothel and Inara says that they're not like her because "they're actual whores". Then she spends the entire episode making snide comments about them.
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May 23, 2019 23:36
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I like the out of gas episode where he ends up by himself on the ship with a gunshot wound
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May 23, 2019 23:41
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Remember Doll House? Because man was that a thing. I like the DVD release only episode that flashed to a future where the mind wipe tech has hosed the world but all the hooker of the week was just awful.
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In the end, Joss Whedon sure was interested in women whose purpose was to sexually gratify men, although he was admittedly more interested in the men who were sexually gratified.
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You know what late 90s/early 2000s sci fi show has aged well? Farscape
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Nckdictator posted:You know what late 90s/early 2000s sci fi show has aged well? The only thing I remember about Farscape is that the aliens were puppets made by Jim Henson's Creature Shop and looked awesome.
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