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Chernobyl: where we learn about nuclear reactors and fiction
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May 22, 2019 18:36
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It won't be a docudrama without the drama.
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May 22, 2019 18:52
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Yes, I'd much rather have had the first 5 minutes just be a black screen and regulator sounds and then one guy saying "we followed pipes" when they emerge than a tremendously well filmed scene full of tension that even uses the sounds of the flashlights to good effect. How are you proposing they should have "filmed" total darkness
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May 22, 2019 18:54
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I'd probably just show the people outside waiting with bated breath, the divers coming out successful and explaining what they did. Once the lights go out we're just as ignorant of what's happening underground as the people outside anyways.
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May 22, 2019 18:59
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Mantis42 posted:I'd probably just show the people outside waiting with bated breath, the divers coming out successful and explaining what they did. Once the lights go out we're just as ignorant of what's happening underground as the people outside anyways. But instead they filmed something cool and good.
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May 22, 2019 19:03
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Mantis42 posted:I'd probably just show the people outside waiting with bated breath, the divers coming out successful and explaining what they did. Once the lights go out we're just as ignorant of what's happening underground as the people outside anyways. Ah yes, the “tell, don’t show” approach that all writers are taught to embrace and all audiences love.
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May 22, 2019 19:44
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Yes, I'd much rather have had the first 5 minutes just be a black screen and regulator sounds and then one guy saying "we followed pipes" when they emerge than a tremendously well filmed scene full of tension that even uses the sounds of the flashlights to good effect. it wasn’t a tremendously well filmed scene
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May 22, 2019 19:52
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Yes, I'd much rather have had the first 5 minutes just be a black screen and regulator sounds and then one guy saying "we followed pipes" when they emerge than a tremendously well filmed scene full of tension that even uses the sounds of the flashlights to good effect. They should probably have simulated night-vision with a grey-scale or green-scale filter, but whatever. I don't think it took away from the scene that they were untrue to the story. The divers efforts was about tension, sacrifice and determination, and that wasn't changed.
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May 22, 2019 19:53
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I am about a page behind, but just to chime in on radiation's effect on electronics: Pretty sure I saw this alluded to by another poster, but during the cleanup efforts at Chernobyl, remote controlled robots were brought in from all over the world in an effort to stymie the amount of human exposure to the radiation. This did not work out at all. Upon actually getting near enough to radioactive materials, the robots malfunctioned and basically just shut down. This is fairly well documented and can even be found on the disaster's wikipedia. If it can fry a robot, I feel positive it can make a flashlight die. Also, pretty sure the robots' failures led to some of the liquidators to refer to themselves as 'biorobots,' because they had tech and metal all over them, and also they were the only "mechanisms" known to be able to operate under that much radiation. I will concede that I may be misremembering some stuff here, but I am like 99% sure I remember this stuff being mentioned in all the material I've read.
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May 22, 2019 19:58
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MononcQc posted:Ah yes, the “tell, don’t show” approach that all writers are taught to embrace and all audiences love. It's basically what we got, sans a scene of the flashlight working again. It doesn't really matter, however.
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May 22, 2019 20:03
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Bip Roberts posted:But instead they filmed something cool and good. But the thing they filmed didn't actually happen. They only did it because it looked cool. Like the show is good, I just think what actually happened is more interesting in some cases where they change things for the show.
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May 22, 2019 20:05
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Jesus H Christ stop complaining about the dramatization of a dramatized interpretation of historical events
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May 22, 2019 20:10
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spankmeister posted:Jesus H Christ stop complaining about the dramatization of a dramatized interpretation of historical events buddy i will always complain
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May 22, 2019 20:12
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Pour sand into an exposed reactor, contain the meltdown. Pour sand into this thread and watch it meltdown.
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May 22, 2019 20:21
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Scooter_McCabe posted:Pour sand into an exposed reactor, contain the meltdown. Pour sand into this thread and watch it meltdown. Pour sand on a goon and they will complain that the sand you used isn't chemically identical to that mixed by a particular mineral supplier in 1986 Belarus.
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May 22, 2019 20:23
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spankmeister posted:Jesus H Christ stop complaining about the dramatization of a dramatized interpretation of historical events criticism and critical discussion must be sequestered in a lead lined casket. no shoes.
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May 22, 2019 20:33
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Fukishima was originally rated a 5 on the INES scale until some brilliant idiot figured 3 meltdowns = 7. One person died of cancer where Chernobyl had dozens of people who could dream of such a death. The release of radiation was a fraction of Chernobyl despite 3 meltdowns of older but better designed reactors.Stupid lying tankies will probably point out the 1600 deaths caused by the evacuation but nobody has any clue what the soviet evacuation fatalies were. INES scale is garbage and both events being a seven is a joke.
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May 22, 2019 20:46
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Despera posted:Fukishima was originally rated a 5 on the INES scale until some brilliant idiot figured 3 meltdowns = 7. One person died of cancer where Chernobyl had dozens of people who could dream of such a death. The release of radiation was a fraction of Chernobyl despite 3 meltdowns of older but better designed reactors.Stupid lying tankies will probably point out the 1600 deaths caused by the evacuation but nobody has any clue what the soviet evacuation fatalies were. INES scale is garbage and both events being a seven is a joke. Nice meltdown
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May 22, 2019 20:53
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they really cheaped out on the make up for daytlov and toptunov, huh? I've looked worse after a night of heavy drinking and they are supposed to be dying from radiation sickness. didn't even show akimov
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May 22, 2019 20:55
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can’t show a face when you don’t have one
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May 22, 2019 20:58
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Opferwurst posted:they really cheaped out on the make up for daytlov and toptunov, huh? I've looked worse after a night of heavy drinking and they are supposed to be dying from radiation sickness. didn't even show akimov Dylatov lived.
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May 22, 2019 21:00
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El_Elegante posted:You are correct. I felt like it was mitigated when the writer outright acknowledged that he has intentionally overstated Legasov’s understanding of nuclear reactors, and essentially eliminated the scientists who were able to educate him on the technical details. Listen to the podcast he wrote this in 2015 and isn't a time traveler lmao SeXReX fucked around with this message at 21:07 on May 22, 2019 |
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May 22, 2019 21:04
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wait, how did khomyuk know that the firefighter's wife is pregnant? did I miss a scene?
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May 22, 2019 21:11
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Minrad posted:Nice meltdown eh, I think it's a 4 on the scale.
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May 22, 2019 21:12
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Opferwurst posted:wait, how did khomyuk know that the firefighter's wife is pregnant? did I miss a scene? She saw her taking his hand and putting it on her belly.
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May 22, 2019 21:14
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Despera posted:Fukishima was originally rated a 5 on the INES scale until some brilliant idiot figured 3 meltdowns = 7. One person died of cancer where Chernobyl had dozens of people who could dream of such a death. The release of radiation was a fraction of Chernobyl despite 3 meltdowns of older but better designed reactors.Stupid lying tankies will probably point out the 1600 deaths caused by the evacuation but nobody has any clue what the soviet evacuation fatalies were. INES scale is garbage and both events being a seven is a joke. Fukushima probably wasn't as low as a Level 5, though; Windscale and TMI were Level 5s, and required no evacuation measures at all.
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May 22, 2019 21:15
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SeXReX posted:Listen to the podcast he wrote this in 2015 and isn't a time traveler lmao Anti-intellectualism, anti science, and the rejection of expertise did not start in 2016 and are definitely entwined with the idea of malleable truth the writer is arguing against.
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May 22, 2019 21:17
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I just wanted to add my compliments to the last scene in episode 3. That unsettling vocal soundtrack (what is that? "choir" mode on a keyboard?) that played while the wet concrete pooled over the metal caskets was so good. The makeup effects were great too. Stan Winston would be proud of that gross factor. I also recommend the 2003 HBO documentary "Chernobyl Heart". It's on various sites including Youtube. For a lack of better words, it is heartbreaking to see all these kids with terrifying birth defects.
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May 22, 2019 21:48
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CainFortea posted:
I’m a bit late to this post, but I still don’t get it. Can someone ELI5?
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May 22, 2019 21:52
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_(comic)
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May 22, 2019 21:53
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I looked up the artist for the soundtrack and she's a cellist and a lot of what I thought at first was synth I'm now pretty sure is just slowed down bowing
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May 22, 2019 21:56
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Partly inspired by the nasty radiation stuff in this series, I rewatched Threads. Mood: 
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May 22, 2019 22:00
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Man for some reason I thought Buckley made that a lot earlier than 2008
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May 22, 2019 22:02
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Zat posted:Partly inspired by the nasty radiation stuff in this series, I rewatched Threads. Mood: I know my social skills are defective because on two different Friday nights in college I stayed in to watch Threads and Funny Games respectively.
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May 22, 2019 22:08
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mehall posted:Game of Thrones talk, but In episode 3 of the last season, "The Long Night", I could barely see a drat thing on my TV, because they'd filmed it to make you feel like the characters, and feel like it was impossible to see anything. Except I'm not a character, so I had to turn up the brightness on my TV just to watch the drat episode, and even then it was dark as hell mostly. They did this to hide their rushed, crappy effects work rather than out of any artistic intent. That episode is a joke - it did not look good on even the highest end OLED HDR 4K TVs.
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May 22, 2019 22:16
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Yep I have one of those and I could see what was going on but only barely.
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May 22, 2019 22:19
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Season 8 of Game of Thrones, like a lot of prestige series in their final season, does have a definite feel of "phoning it in"; see also Winterfell's Starbucks and Samwell Tarly introducing democracy and bottled water to Westeros. It's going to pick up more Emmys than it deserves, though, even though it's not even the third best HBO show of Spring 2019. SeXReX posted:I looked up the artist for the soundtrack and she's a cellist and a lot of what I thought at first was synth I'm now pretty sure is just slowed down bowing If you want to go for ambient dread music, ask someone from Iceland. It's up there with Orange and Teal these days for cinematic shorthand that once you notice, you can't unnotice. TinTower fucked around with this message at 22:37 on May 22, 2019 |
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May 22, 2019 22:31
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Oh - another tragically 'neat' thing about Chernobyl. If you look up film footage of the evacuation of Pripyat, you'll see more artifacts/anomalies in the film than you normally would in old film footage. They're like little "starbursts" in the frame - it's from the ionizing radiation the filmstock absorbed as the footage was being shot.
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May 22, 2019 22:34
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Well you can understand why the GoT people would phone it in. Why take pride in your work when your only compensation is millions of dollars and international fame?
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May 22, 2019 23:15
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what episode will have the STALKER creatures??
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May 22, 2019 23:21
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