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JuulPodSaveAmerica
Aug 29, 2012

hobbesmaster posted:

I really don't understand the mechanism for this being an issue.

water vapor resonates at 24 ghz so there's satellites are tuned to that frequency, the FCC is auctioning that band for use by 5g companies because Verizon sending porn faster to the new iphone is more important than being able to see vapor maps that allow us to predict where storms appear and the intensity of them lmao.

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Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
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Farrier Theaks posted:

The internet will be humanity's galactic tombstone and serve as a warning to all future civilizations who might happen to stumble across our podunk planetary murder-suicide and if you're not cool with that fact I just dont know what to tell you

how can we ensure the internet is preserved forever, can we carve like, binary into the moon

Asbury
Mar 23, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 6 years!
Hair Elf

Xaris posted:

how can we ensure the internet is preserved forever, can we carve like, binary into the moon

Did u ever see The Inner Light, it was this Star Trek TNG episode where Picard came across a probe that gave him a second life in a different civilization on the verge of its collapse?

Like that, except our probe is wint, trump, and pornhub

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Xaris posted:

how can we ensure the internet is preserved forever, can we carve like, binary into the moon

I've no idea how successful it is but there's research being done on encoding data into DNA.

Maybe we'll end up with the internet encoded into our genes.. (or probably not).

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Trainee PornStar posted:

I've no idea how successful it is but there's research being done on encoding data into DNA.

Maybe we'll end up with the internet encoded into our genes.. (or probably not).

hell ya encode something awful into my dick's dna

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

JuulPodSaveAmerica posted:

water vapor resonates at 24 ghz so there's satellites are tuned to that frequency, the FCC is auctioning that band for use by 5g companies because Verizon sending porn faster to the new iphone is more important than being able to see vapor maps that allow us to predict where storms appear and the intensity of them lmao.

Water vapor resonates at 23.8 GHz, 5G-NR starts at 24.25 GHz. 23.6-24.0 is reserved for earth observation.

Notorious R.I.M.
Jan 27, 2004

up to my ass in alligators

hobbesmaster posted:

Water vapor resonates at 23.8 GHz, 5G-NR starts at 24.25 GHz. 23.6-24.0 is reserved for earth observation.

The issue is OOB emissions

https://www.aip.org/fyi/2019/noaa-warns-5g-spectrum-interference-presents-major-threat-weather-forecasts

quote:

Out-of-band emissions are signals that spill over from a particular frequency bandwidth but nonetheless contribute to the quality of the transmission. Jacobs said that NOAA and NASA have concluded the limit advanced by FCC, -20 decibel watts per 200 megahertz, would result in about 77% data loss from passive microwave sounders that weather satellites use to detect water vapor.

The forecast degradation is significant and will affect numerical weather prediction skill.

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



the bitcoin of weed posted:

weather forecasting is going to be set back decades because the radio frequency used to detect atmospheric water vapor is too close to the one being auctioned off by the FCC for 5G wireless

https://twitter.com/housetrotter/status/1131315615313141765

our posts will outlive us

lmfao that owns

also 5g is completely loving pointless other than iot buzzwords

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008


Ah. Those numbers shouldn't be hard to hit though?

The first generations of mmWave modems can't do the 24Ghz band so at least theres that. Qualcomm for example is "up to 800 MHz of bandwidth in the 26.5-29.5 GHz, 27.5-28.35 GHz, and 37-40 GHz mmWave spectrum bands."

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

the bitcoin of weed posted:

weather forecasting is going to be set back decades because the radio frequency used to detect atmospheric water vapor is too close to the one being auctioned off by the FCC for 5G wireless

https://twitter.com/housetrotter/status/1131315615313141765

our posts will outlive us

what a time to be alive

Gareth Gobulcoque
Jan 10, 2008



lol

quote:

This would result in the reduction of hurricane track forecasts’ lead time by roughly two to three days.

A good example of this is a data denial study that the European Center [for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts] did where they withheld the microwave sounder data during the forecast for Superstorm Sandy and the model, which is the most accurate model in the world right now, kept the storm out to sea.

Bass Concert Hall
May 9, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
I'm sure that NOAA will get those frequencies back once a non-evacuated Miami is destroyed by a hurricane expected to land in Mexico.

no I'm not

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
"NOAH can't predict HURRICANES idjit he just had a boat."

*smiles smugly as town is destroyed*

"loving libs trying to do communism."

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

Xaris posted:

hell ya encode something awful into my dick's dna

Your dicks already something awful bud

Poniard
Apr 3, 2011



lmao spectrum

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

I’ve talked about this to liberals with graduate degrees and I got, “well, it’s not like they can tell the forecast now so who cares, the weather channel sucks am I right? Besides, I was told it would make my phone 20 times faster so that sounds pretty good. I want 5G.”

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Notorious R.I.M.
Jan 27, 2004

up to my ass in alligators

Literally undoing the last 15 years of advancements in NWP for tropical cyclones.

StabbinHobo
Oct 18, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
i fuckin love it when lefties/non-profits/community groups get ".com" domains

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

the bitcoin of weed posted:

weather forecasting is going to be set back decades because the radio frequency used to detect atmospheric water vapor is too close to the one being auctioned off by the FCC for 5G wireless

https://twitter.com/housetrotter/status/1131315615313141765

our posts will outlive us
Can't prove the weather is changing if the weather instruments don't work, guess we can't really know anything for sure about the weather now

checkmate libs

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




Farrier Theaks posted:

When India gets too hot to sustain life and a couple billion folks need to move north how is China going to handle that do you think

india will probably have other neighbors to fight first. bangladesh is the 8th most populous country and the densest, non island, country and it will be underwater soon.
pakistan has been hitting triple digit temperatures at night and 120s in the daytime.
nepal and other Himalayan countries are having to make their own ice with machines at night to ensure the streams and rovers they depend on have melt water
that area is going to explode and china is kinda unreachable over the mountains by refugees on foot.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

Real hurthling! posted:

india will probably have other neighbors to fight first. bangladesh is the 8th most populous country and the densest, non island, country and it will be underwater soon.
pakistan has been hitting triple digit temperatures at night and 120s in the daytime.
nepal and other Himalayan countries are having to make their own ice with machines at night to ensure the streams and rovers they depend on have melt water
that area is going to explode and china is kinda unreachable over the mountains by refugees on foot.

Yeah, the only place those refugees will flee is the same direction their ancestors came from: towards Bactria and the Pamirs. Not exactly hospitable geography.

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown
yeah it's going to own when the entire subcontinent is on the move, can't wait to see what happens when the west is faced with 2 billion starving brown people

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Mayor Dave posted:

yeah it's going to own when the entire subcontinent is on the move, can't wait to see what happens when the west is faced with 2 billion starving brown people

Not personally looking forward to mass genocide but different strokes I guess.

Telephones
Apr 28, 2013
lol "war crimes"

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

Mayor Dave posted:

yeah it's going to own when the entire subcontinent is on the move, can't wait to see what happens when the west is faced with 2 billion starving brown people

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

Addamere posted:

Not personally looking forward to mass genocide but different strokes I guess.

you're absolutely right, if the genocide isn't all humans on the planet is is extremely bad

Crazypoops
Jul 17, 2017



We're not just dismantling the environment, but the ability to observe the environment, :laffo: just :laffo: :lol:

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
werner heisenberg says if we stop measuring it maybe it will stop changing

Crazypoops
Jul 17, 2017



We're so hosed :lol:

Telephones
Apr 28, 2013
HOLY poo poo THIS IS SO NOT OKAY!!! THIS ENTIRE loving SOCIETY NEEDS TO BE BURNED TO THE loving GROUND!!! STOP THE GLUTTONY!!! HELP THE POOR!!!! FIND GOD!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAlol this OWNS.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES
Hell yeah, brother!

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

Addamere posted:

Not personally looking forward to mass genocide but different strokes I guess.


When we're destroying all other sentient life on the planet and most of the delicate non-sentient web which supports it, who gives a gently caress? It's not even an ethical footnote in the context of what we've unleashed on the planet.

In TYOOL 2019, Logging is a worse crime than genocide.

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

Rime posted:

When we're destroying all other sentient life on the planet and most of the delicate non-sentient web which supports it, who gives a gently caress? It's not even an ethical footnote in the context of what we've unleashed on the planet.

In TYOOL 2019, Logging is a worse crime than genocide.

i no joke can't believe anyone still eats seafood, it's insane

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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Mayor Dave posted:

i no joke can't believe anyone still eats seafood, it's insane
its rather sad because fishing used to be and could be very sustainable with proper management and could be low eco-impact foods, if people could stop eating so loving much and just trawl catching everything they can get their webs on. of course now everything powered by fuel guzzling barges and poo poo and destroying wholesale aquatic life. who loving knows what having fish full of microplastics will do to their life cycle, but at this point climate change is taking care of that by several orders of magnitude so it's like a negligible worry--which is kinda lol in it's own right

but yeah i've never been a seafood person despite growing up on the coast. i'll enjoy a good halibut or salmon but maybe like once a year tops, and it's just so thoroughly polluted and hosed up. not eating seafood is pretty easy.

Shima Honnou
Dec 1, 2010

The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit

College Slice
I like the taste of fish and I used to fish but I've cut it out entirely because it's basically just stabbing a hook directly into the planet personally. At least this way some of those bluegills will get to live long enough to die by water acidification instead.



I wonder what the teach a man to fish idiom will evolve into once all the fish are loving dead everywhere in the world.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Xaris posted:

trawl catching

Visual Aids:







Bottom trawling's some gnarly poo poo

Kunabomber
Oct 1, 2002


Pillbug
We can do a lot with lionfish, cuttlefish, asian carp, and jellyfish

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Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Accretionist posted:

Visual Aids:







Bottom trawling's some gnarly poo poo

one would hope they throw most of that back and it lives but lol probably not and then they'll have nothing to eat because all corals and flora is gone

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