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It'll be interesting to see what Nepal does. Their standard response has been to say "We're a poor country, we need the money." There needs to be some per-day summit limit. Let the climbers have a battle royale, and the bleeding winners get to make a summit attempt the next day?
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Just limit the number of summit passes, put them on auction and let the Free Market™ take care of it. There are enough rich idiots to probably make what they get now and much more. The highest bidders get to sacrifice themselves to satiate the mountain's hunger, everybody wins.
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May 24, 2019 23:30
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barbecue at the folks posted:Just limit the number of summit passes, put them on auction and let the Free Market™ take care of it. There are enough rich idiots to probably make what they get now and much more. The highest bidders get to sacrifice themselves to satiate the mountain's hunger, everybody wins. This honestly could be workable with a provision to maybe have previous high altitude ascents count as credits or something, so that well qualified mountaineers can be given access to perform their climbs and rich people subsidize the cost.
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May 24, 2019 23:39
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ewe2 posted:Make K2 permits cheap.
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May 24, 2019 23:41
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permits hidden in wonka bars throughout the world
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May 25, 2019 01:29
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Every country sends two climbers, a boy and a girl. If there are no volunteers, the climbers are picked at random with the draw weighed by the amount of social assistance they receive.
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May 25, 2019 01:31
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Wasabi the J posted:This honestly could be workable with a provision to maybe have previous high altitude ascents count as credits or something, so that well qualified mountaineers can be given access to perform their climbs and rich people subsidize the cost. Pablo Bluth posted:Limit the number of Everest permits. Half are made available at a fixed price through a lottery system, only to those who have made proper summit attempts as other peaks first (ie, permits for actual climbers). The other half are auctioned off to the highest bidder (permits for rich dentists). Is there a reliable governing body that can certify that a given individual has made a summit attempt at a given peak, or that establishes what a well-qualified mountaineer is? It would have to operate in every country that a climber might climb a mountain in, of course. I have a better idea. How about the international community pays, say, fifty million dollars a year to shut down Everest to all comers, permanently, provided all the money goes to sherpas. Hell we could bypass the government of Nepal and just have an NGO directly hire Sherpas to blockade all access to their mountain. We'll pay them handsomely to prevent anyone from making attempts, not lay ladders and ropes, carry no oxygen tanks, and best of all, not risk their own lives to haul orthodontists and sales executives up their mountain. Sure, serious mountaineers will miss out, but as previously established, Everest isn't even a particularly substantial climbing challenge.
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May 25, 2019 01:41
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Everest permits only sold as a two-mountain package deal, not valid until stamped at K2 summit
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May 25, 2019 01:52
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Everest permits are $5, Sherpa permits are $500,000.
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May 25, 2019 03:07
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Leperflesh posted:Is there a reliable governing body that can certify that a given individual has made a summit attempt at a given peak, or that establishes what a well-qualified mountaineer is? It would have to operate in every country that a climber might climb a mountain in, of course. Honestly, Nepal and Pakistan could form a committee of experts solely on the subject of 8000ers and Himalayan climbing. Getting your permit is a matter of having records if your climbs maintained and somehow validated. The benefit is twofold: the climbers from that region get formalized recognition for their expertise and this would start the bare minimum process for maintaining records for the sport as a whole. I really don't mind when seasoned pros go for summits and spend half their year living in a mountain, and Everest is the tallest. Your plan is a drastic action, Everest will likely never go the way of Gangkhar Puensum.
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May 25, 2019 03:51
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shame on an IGA posted:Everest permits only sold as a two-mountain package deal, not valid until stamped at K2 summit This was pretty much going to be my suggestion. Each year a big box of Everest passes is put at the top of K2. Each pass is a stamped 10kg iron tablet, to stop people trying to take more than one (but you just know someone's gonna try) There are a limited number. Go. Bonus: when the first rear end in a top hat up inevitably decides to dump the rest of the box off the summit just so they can be the "only climber to summit Everest in 2020" or whatever year
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May 25, 2019 05:58
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You buy a May permit. You are entered into a lottery with all the other May permit-buyers. You are assigned a day. No summits that day? Too bad, try again next year. (Climbing in winter? Godspeed you crazy diamond.)
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May 25, 2019 07:15
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it's all just a countdown until china builds a road all the way to the northside base camp and they get to cash in on capitalist death instead of nepal e: oh poo poo, they already did. uh. wow lol
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May 25, 2019 07:35
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It's all a countdown until China builds a golden elevator to the top and I get to laugh about how difficult it used to be.
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May 25, 2019 08:11
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PostNouveau posted:It's all a countdown until China builds a golden elevator to the top and I get to laugh about how difficult it used to be.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5Ih8RsAxyA
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May 25, 2019 09:57
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I just stumbled across this NYT article from 2012 on a sherpa who summitted Everest six times and now works at a 7/11. I was really curious, went Googling for more, found his facebook page, and learned that he is now a proud Uber driver. I can't imagine anyone more qualified to sherpa drunk people around NYC.
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May 25, 2019 15:31
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Son of Welp
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May 25, 2019 17:48
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Turns out the death zone is bad for you, who could have known
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May 25, 2019 19:58
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Just operate usual transport deals, offer single or return tickets
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May 25, 2019 20:58
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Syncopated posted:Turns out the death zone is bad for you, who could have known I think we should start calling it "the xtreme zone" so we don't freak out the clients.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/25/world/asia/everest-death-traffic-jam.html As of 15 hours ago the season's death toll is up to 17, 10 alone are from the traffic jam. "Sherpa guides on the Nepali side of the mountain have complained that the traffic jam at the last stretch of the climb, called “the death zone,” has become the most serious problem for climbers in this spring season. “I have climbed Everest so many times, but this spring’s traffic jam was the worst,” said Tshering Jangbu Sherpa, a guide who summited Everest on May 22. “Many climbers who moved to the summit without extra supplement oxygen bottles suffered the most. They suffered because of the traffic jam, not because of wind and coldness.” He said that after his team became stuck in the line, he had to borrow a supplemental oxygen bottle because one member of his expedition was running out. “Otherwise, he could also die there in the high camp,” he said." [...] "Tourism officials, however, rejected the notion that the summit had become deadlier because of overcrowding related to the large number of climbers receiving permits. [...] Danduraj Ghimire, director general of the tourism department, attributed the casualties to two factors: a delay because of the cyclone effect on Everest in fixing the rope that the climbers use to ascend and descend, and the fact that many of the climbers want to ascend Everest only on the best climbing day. 'It’s not because of traffic jam,' Mr. Ghimire said. The number of climbers was a bit high this year, and most climbers wanted to climb within a short weather window.' "
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May 26, 2019 04:07
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Yeah there's nothing wrong with selling access to cultural wonders to rich people because it's your country's only source of revenue. Nope.
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May 26, 2019 06:36
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Well, the fault rests entirely on the rich people though. Most of Nepal is just rocks after all, and Everest, sentimental values aside, is just a really BIG rock that they can somehow make a living out of.
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May 26, 2019 08:37
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Tafferling posted:Well, the fault rests entirely on the rich people though. Most of Nepal is just rocks after all, and Everest, sentimental values aside, is just a really BIG rock that they can somehow make a living out of. Yes which is why it's never going to happen until someone fires up the guillotines. I wish I could see Everest without too much environmental impact but it's insanely exploitative, even if the money kinda helps the people, it's not that cut and dry. They can make money but ignoring the problem on Everest is not going to put the world in your corner against the millionaires continuing to exploit the poor for their own vanity.
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May 26, 2019 12:24
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It's a kind of a pity that there is only one single mountain in the Himalayas that you can climb and everyone has to approach its peak the same route. If only there were alternatives!
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May 26, 2019 12:45
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I think it’s a perfect time to revisit the escalator idea
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May 26, 2019 14:40
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When you see that massive line of people how the hell do you think you're doing something special?
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djssniper posted:When you see that massive line of people how the hell do you think you're doing something special? Too bad the bottom of the Marianas trench is not even half as appealing despite being way more extreme to reach.
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nsaP posted:I think it’s a perfect time to revisit the escalator idea Or the "blow off the top of Mt. Everest so that K2 is the highest peak in the world" idea. Everest is practically a cakewalk comparatively from a technical standpoint.
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Sand Monster posted:Or the "blow off the top of Mt. Everest so that K2 is the highest peak in the world" idea. Everest is practically a cakewalk comparatively from a technical standpoint.
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Sand Monster posted:Or the "blow off the top of Mt. Everest so that K2 is the highest peak in the world" idea. Everest is practically a cakewalk comparatively from a technical standpoint. Dig it up, add it to K2, call it K-Squared.
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May 26, 2019 22:40
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sure was insensitive of ghostcrawler to reference everyone dying in a the death zone queue when he explained why there's no escalators
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May 26, 2019 22:54
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Minrad posted:sure was insensitive of ghostcrawler to reference everyone dying in a the death zone queue when he explained why there's no escalators https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzxZUyhmJiE
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Wasabi the J posted:I wish I could see Everest without too much environmental impact but it's insanely exploitative, even if the money kinda helps the people, it's not that cut and dry. I know someone who has "seen" it without climbing it. I'm not sure where exactly they went but a quick look around on Google Maps led me to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kala_Patthar which says it has the best views of Everest. Nowhere near the death zone, and I'm guessing you can safely take your trash home with you.
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May 27, 2019 14:35
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the only hardcore mountaineer i knew did the overland hike to base camp, hung out for a bit, then moved on. he said that was enough for him.
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May 27, 2019 18:38
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The whole process wouldn't be worth the cost for my wife and me, since she has chronic respiratory issues that would prevent her from... living.
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Welp strikes back e: Also, Oh God No Alan Arnette posted:K2 and the Karakorum Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 23:22 on May 27, 2019 |
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Arsenic Lupin posted:It'll be interesting to see what Nepal does. Their standard response has been to say "We're a poor country, we need the money." Don’t issue permits to anyone who has not already climbed one of the other 8km peaks, then raise price of permits. The issue really though isn’t the permits and the money that comes from them though, the issue is how much Nepal’s economy relies on there being lots of climbers at Everest for months, and the Sherpa community almost completely reliant on them because helping those climbers is basically the only “well paying” job available to the Sherpas. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 15:59 on May 28, 2019 |
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May 28, 2019 01:31
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Having "loads of actual humans puttung their lives at risk" and "low cost" bumped up together in the same sentence like that makes me loving disgusted
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ZombieLenin posted:Don’t issue permits to anyone who has not already climbed one of the other 8km peaks, then raise price of permits. e: Last I read, one third of the people who made it up to the top of K2 didn't make it down. And these were the best of the best.
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