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Seconding the Buffy movie is cool and good. It's not clever, it doesn't think it's clever, AND it has Luke Perry.
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Whedon is someone clever enough to play around within the rules and conventions of network tv but totally unable to break them or to exist without them. Medium talent defined by restriction. Also he’s a piece of poo poo who hates women and abandoned his wife and daughter.
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May 25, 2019 14:28
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Jedit posted:Dude, there was an entire episode about how their brainwashing technician was allowed to program a doll to be his perfect friend as a birthday present. The head of the house was secretly in love with one of the dolls. You were absolutely meant to sympathise with them. The things you just typed and the conclusion you draw from it are completely and totally incongruous. Hughlander posted:And an awesome Paul Ruben vampire that let him be in my favorite scene of all time in the What We Do In the Shadows TV Series... Check it! Paul Ruben’s costume in the film is based on his porn theater mugshot, at his own request.
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May 25, 2019 14:36
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food court bailiff posted:The things you just typed and the conclusion you draw from it are completely and totally incongruous. Presented sympathetically and deserving of sympathy are two different things. The head boss lady eventually turns against her bosses because they treat the sex slaves worse than she does, and she’s the leader of the resistance in the postapocalyptic future. You’re absolutely meant to see her as deserving of your sympathy (which she does not deserve by any objective standard), as the narrative ignores and excuses the facts of her situation.
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May 25, 2019 14:47
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Len posted:What? The swim team rapists were when she was still in high school.
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The Buffy Movie is a mediocre movie with some killer casting propping it up. e. and it works much better as a one- off than as an origin story, which from what I understand it was never intended as.
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May 25, 2019 15:10
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Kind of love that they called back to burning down the gym in the series. In retrospect Buffy's arc being 'naive vapid cheerleader' to 'cynical, disillusioned put-upon foster mom' really wasn't as progressive as I thought it was at the time. Nor was her relationship with an older dude with anger issues. FilthyImp has a new favorite as of 16:00 on May 25, 2019 |
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May 25, 2019 15:52
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Not aging well: Kristy Swanson is a MAGA chud.
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FactsAreUseless posted:You're not crazy. Avengers mega-sucked and it especially did a poor job with Black Widow because Joss Whedon deeply hates women. Well, if it makes you feel better, they continued to keep doing an incredibly poor job with Black Widow all the way through to the end of the Avengers film series. Especially since Black Widow is, like another poster mentioned, really just straight-up Solid Snake and deserved a much larger role in the movies. Seriously, (Endgame spoilers) why the gently caress did Hawkeye, a guy who ended up becoming a crazy murderer after the snap, survive? And then the fact that the rest of the Avengers seemed to chuck her down the memory hole instantly. It was heinously bad and not something I'll be able to forget. It's just really obvious that the exact same character, but male, would be treated very differently by the writers. That said, I don't read comics and have no understanding of the characters outside the movies so they could all be replaced with completely new and different characters and I wouldn't be able to tell. e: Oh yeah and Disney/Marvel's queerbaiting "Check it out we have a real gay character!! His name is Gay Man #1!!" poo poo will definitely age poorly. Casey Finnigan has a new favorite as of 18:25 on May 25, 2019 |
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May 25, 2019 17:58
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Pick posted:Cabin in the Woods is one of my most hated films of all time for pretending it was clever when it was re-hashing other actual deconstructions, poorly. God it is loving bad. I need to sit down and watch it properly but I really feel like the movie had a sarcastic undertone. It knew how stupid it was being and just ran with it and then ran way longer than it needed to for precisely the same reason. I don't think anything in that movie was played straight at all. Kind of like being a deconstruction of a deconstruction.
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rodbeard posted:I feel like I'm crazy because I seem to be the only one who thinks he did a terrible job with the avengers. The movie ignores everyone's existing personality and replaces them with stock quirky Joss Whedon characters.  I stopped watching Avengers movies after that, and eventually lost interest in the MCU. Can't complain, it has saved me quite a bit of time and money.
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May 25, 2019 19:48
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food court bailiff posted:Paul Ruben’s costume in the film is based on his porn theater mugshot, at his own request. Lol, that rules
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I feel like people in this thread would have liked Cabin in the Woods a lot more had they not know it was a Whedon movie. It’s a good movie. How much of that is an incredibly likable cast and how much of that is Whedon is up for debate, but it doesn’t take away from the film itself. I couldn’t care less about his other stuff though.
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May 25, 2019 20:02
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Casey Finnigan posted:
He has a family and she doesn’t
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Cabin in the Woods versus Spider-Man: Spiderverse is a great way to see the difference between a film that's trying to be clever and a film that is actually clever.
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Casey Finnigan posted:Well, if it makes you feel better, they continued to keep doing an incredibly poor job with Black Widow all the way through to the end of the Avengers film series. Especially since Black Widow is, like another poster mentioned, really just straight-up Solid Snake and deserved a much larger role in the movies. You're forgetting the cringey faux-feminist bit in the final battle where all of the female superheroes come together for a few seconds and go "We got this!" Because god, that was bad. They did the same thing in the final fight in the previous movie, and it was just as patronizing then.
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May 25, 2019 20:29
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Frankly, the Arrowverse does everything the MCU wants to do, and does it better. Granted, that's a low bar, but it's still better.
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Hughlander posted:And an awesome Paul Ruben vampire that let him be in my favorite scene of all time in the What We Do In the Shadows TV Series... Check it! Paul Ruben has done nothing better in his career. Yes, even that. Yes that was great, his bit in Buffy was better. No, a lot better. I'm not loving with you, it was that great. You should go watch the Buffy movie. I don't care if it isn't on any basic streaming site, pay the four bucks for on-demand and make some loving popcorn.
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It still amuses me that some people haven't quite sorted out what that whole porn theater business was actually about.
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Fatty Crabcakes posted:It still amuses me that some people haven't quite sorted out what that whole porn theater business was actually about. I don’t actually know. Cruising?
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May 25, 2019 21:07
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Everyone always said it was about crashing his kid friendly career.
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May 25, 2019 21:18
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Bogus Adventure posted:Frankly, the Arrowverse does everything the MCU wants to do, and does it better. Granted, that's a low bar, but it's still better. You can't be this obvious with a trolling attempt.
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May 25, 2019 21:21
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To be fair, they're really done a good job with the yearly crossover episodes and the next one (Crisis) is going to be nerd catnip.
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FilthyImp posted:Everyone always said it was about crashing his kid friendly career. I don't think anybody was actually, genuinely out to get him personally but demolishing an otherwise squeaky clean public image was just too much for the media to pass up. He was on hiatus at the time and was way scruffier than people expected him to be. Then he got arrested in a porn theater even though there wasn't even any proof that he was exposing himself. I don't think he was ever even charged with anything but in the American public's eye arrested = guilty. So there was this scruffy mugshot of the main actor from a beloved children's show even though he had never actually done anything wrong and...yeah. The way he was treated was tremendously lovely but it sure as hell got people watching the news.
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Casey Finnigan posted:e: Oh yeah and Disney/Marvel's queerbaiting "Check it out we have a real gay character!! His name is Gay Man #1!!" poo poo will definitely age poorly. ...oh my God, I mistook Joe Russo for Mark Ruffalo and this whole time I thought Hulk was gay. Nope, just some nameless guy. I haven't face-blinded that bad for a while. 
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believe me i dislike whedon as much as any decent, God-fearing goon but i don't think his intent was actually to say that infertile women are monsters or that it's something he believes deep down (...necessarily) it seemed to me like he was trying to draw a parallel between getting dehumanized by being brought up as a human weapon and a tool of the state, tweaked by science, so deep into her so it only looked like whedon was saying infertile women are equally monstrous because he's an awful writer, maybe a one-trick pony at best, who lately just parasitizes other people's IPs
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CelticPredator posted:He has a family and she doesn’t I actually thought it was a nice bookend to the idea that she was looking for a way to clear out the red in her ledger, which Loki implies is so steeped in blood that she'll never be able to make up for it--or at least that she believes it to be that way. So her sacrifice not only protects a dear friend and makes it possible for his family to be saved, but also lets her die knowing she opened the way for half the lives of the entire universe to be saved, which is heroic on such a scale that if any act could serve as an atonement for her past it would most certainly be that one. And, to add to that, since her sacrifice is but one essential step in the total plan, it serves as a final affirmation of the trust and faith she has in her teammates in defiance of the deceit and distrust that comes with the clandestine life of a spy.
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hard counter posted:believe me i dislike whedon as much as any decent, God-fearing goon but i don't think his intent was actually to say that infertile women are monsters or that it's something he believes deep down (...necessarily) this is true but at the same time you can't exactly blame people for being less and less willing to give whedon the benefit of the doubt when it comes to how he treats female characters (and it turns out actual women as well)
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FilthyImp posted:To be fair, they're really done a good job with the yearly crossover episodes and the next one (Crisis) is going to be nerd catnip. Exactly. They're fun, they're well written, and they don't break the seasonal story arcs of each series.
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Has any action-hero ever got the happy ending where they raise a family of kids they where responsible for orphaning?
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Has any action-hero ever got the happy ending where they raise a family of kids they where responsible for orphaning? Despicable Me?
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Brother Entropy posted:this is true but at the same time you can't exactly blame people for being less and less willing to give whedon the benefit of the doubt when it comes to how he treats female characters (and it turns out actual women as well) totally fair that reminds me tho, there's gotta be a good word for when you're unnerved by how skeevy someone is but no one else notices but then you're totally vindicated when they finally get exposed...because man, that was me when whedon was eventually named as being another hollywood creeper
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FilthyImp posted:Everyone always said it was about crashing his kid friendly career. Lol, was about money and Anthony Pellicano https://medium.com/@TheHimmmm/the-right-hand-of-power-a-himmmm-blind-item-story-4ddfabf0a091 E: and of course Les Moonves Remulak has a new favorite as of 22:27 on May 25, 2019 |
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:I don’t actually know. Cruising? Even in 1991, practically no one was going to a porn theater for the actual porn.
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Fatty Crabcakes posted:Absolutely. He just had the bad luck to wave his weenie around when vice was doing a sweep. Which makes it even funnier that Fred Willard got caught doing the same thing in 2012, lol
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Fatty Crabcakes posted:Absolutely. He just had the bad luck to wave his weenie around when vice was doing a sweep. We're also ignoring the child pornography charges as well. Imagine if that happened this decade.
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Bogus Adventure posted:Exactly. They're fun, they're well written, and they don't break the seasonal story arcs of each series. They're also helped out a fair bit by the fact that they do smaller crossovers and mentions of the other shows all the time, and with a lot of those it's just not treated as a big deal. The MCU always feels like any appearance of a recognizable character that isn't the star of that movie should come with an applause break, but the Arrowverse seems happy to just dump 'hey, Felicity Smoak's in Central City today' or have newspapers mentioning the events of other shows and then move on. It makes their big crossovers feel a lot more natural, and also somehow more exciting. You know that the Atom's around, somewhere, so you don't need to wait for them to spend time establishing that he's going to be there, he can just turn up when it's cool for him to turn up! And since everyone's rightfully making GBS threads on Endgame's half-assed attempts at Girl Power and gay representation: watch Crisis on Earth-X, their 2017 crossover. Hell, you don't even need to watch the whole thing, pick any random part of that event and it's got more representation--and more meaningful representation--than the whole MCU put together.
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mllaneza posted:Paul Ruben has done nothing better in his career. Yes, even that. Yes that was great, his bit in Buffy was better. No, a lot better. I'm not loving with you, it was that great. You should go watch the Buffy movie. I don't care if it isn't on any basic streaming site, pay the four bucks for on-demand and make some loving popcorn. Hah, I saw the buffy movie in the theatre when I was doing movie reviews for a small alt weekly rag and all I remember is his post (mid) credits sequence where he's still moaning after being staked.
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hard counter posted:totally fair Brother Entropy posted:this is true but at the same time you can't exactly blame people for being less and less willing to give whedon the benefit of the doubt when it comes to how he treats female characters (and it turns out actual women as well) FilthyImp posted:Kind of love that they called back to burning down the gym in the series. A lot of the complaints are valid-- it's not as progressive as it thinks, it lets a lot of creepy stuff the male characters do slide, Whedon is only comfortable with his lady characters when they're broken down emotional wrecks--but I think the series works in spite of those shortcomings. It isn't high art, but thanks to bench writers and Sarah Michelle Gellar really committing to the part everything comes across as believably human. Like yes it's lovely as balls that Whedon's MO was "crap on the girl, then crap on her some more, then throw passing shade at the nebulous patriarchy to justify it" but the fallout always felt believable and where the character ended up felt as realistic as one could expect given the ridiculous conceits the show built up. Like I came to Buffy proper as an adult and went looking for the show to reveal its hand as this secretly regressive pile of garbage, and it really isn't. At best it's well-intentioned and keys in on some surprisingly nuanced stuff for a superhero show; at worst it's aimless and unfocused and falls into bad tropes. Now Angel... that show deserves some serious shade for how it treats its ladies. Pretty much the instant any lady gets too much agency on that show she gets benched. Hard. Happened at least three separate times.
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Krispy Wafer posted:I feel like people in this thread would have liked Cabin in the Woods a lot more had they not know it was a Whedon movie. If Whedon was a better writer it wouldn't be painfully obvious I was watching a Whedon movie to begin with. It would have been better if the two coworkers did anything other than constantly point out how clever the movie was.
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