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Crocoswine posted:Bbtag has easy as poo poo inputs and it's good Yeah. Input complexity doesn't have anything to do with people being bad at fighting games.
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I do hope "all moves being quarter circles" isn't the future of FGs though bc input diversity gives characters their own flavor imo. It works for a game like BBTag though which is basically Smash but a real fighting game at this point
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Kongming posted:Yeah. Input complexity doesn't have anything to do with people being bad at fighting games. What? People constantly gently caress up inputs if its possible to do so. Everyone has lost a round because they DPd when they wanted to walk forward fireball. Justin wong lost literally 5 billion games of sf4 because he couldnt do rufus ultras
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May 25, 2019 15:31
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In Training posted:I do hope "all moves being quarter circles" isn't the future of FGs though bc input diversity gives characters their own flavor imo. It works for a game like BBTag though which is basically Smash but a real fighting game at this point I'll take quarter circles over NRS inputs any day. Neutral-back-forward and back-down are both terrible with everything except maybe hitbox/keyboard.
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May 25, 2019 15:52
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technology doping
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dangerdoom volvo posted:What? People constantly gently caress up inputs if its possible to do so. Everyone has lost a round because they DPd when they wanted to walk forward fireball. Justin wong lost literally 5 billion games of sf4 because he couldnt do rufus ultras yeah, but input complexity isnt a big reason why people are bad at fighting games. nobody is a bad player because they lose a round from failing to do the right thing. that is how every single round is lost in every fighting game. inputs being too hard for a player is just one way out of many many ways for someone to be bad at a game. and thats not to say that hard inputs dont have a purpose or a place. most games worth playing have some sort of complexity or system depth that allows for multiple types of dexterity checks. "can you move the stick the right way doing a special?" is just one of many along with the similarly popular "can you time the button presses?"
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May 25, 2019 16:41
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Technology doping is a legitimate concern in lots of sports and has been for a long time, it's not a made up phrase
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May 25, 2019 16:51
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if you just say a word in someones post & nothing else you are the king of discussion on the something awful online forum as well as an extreme badass in generalCrocoswine posted:Bbtag has easy as poo poo inputs and it's good bbtag is also designed from the ground up around the inputs in a very specific way literally no other attempt to Make Inputs Easier is and had an extremely stagnant meta until earlier this week because it turns out when you make everyone have a lack of options (one of the downsides of simple inputs is a fundamental lack of possible commands) it makes the odds that someone has the one move to rule them all and nobody else has a counter a lot higher
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May 25, 2019 17:02
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Grim Reaper's importance until 1.5 wouldn't have changed if you had to do a DP motion instead of qcf though.
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My issue with technology doping being thrown around to describe hitboxes is that technology doping became a thing after the Speedo sharksuits, and most of the concerns there had to do with them both having a proven track record in improving competitive performance at the highest level while also not being readily accessible to most athletes. Although hitboxes simplify execution, they kinda fail at both criteria above. First, a hitbox isn't any more expensive than a fighting stick, and a very similar device is the standard input method for one of the three major gaming platforms around - sup, keyboard. Second, I hear people dooming and glooming about hitboxes being unfair ever since they became a thing. I still haven't seen them being picked up by every single sponsored player - and pot prizes have increased a ton ever since, so it's not like they didn't have an incentive - or dominating top placements in majors. Whenever this discussion comes back, it's always, ALWAYS because someone changed the standard layout or because of SOCD shenanigans, which are both things that could be standardized hardware-wise and/or solved in-game with good input cleaning, etc. I understand that they do make some stuff easier/faster, but the point is how much does that actually matter? If hitboxes give you a significant edge in execution, one that can't be replicated on other devices, why aren't people that actually play fighting games for a living all playing hitbox? If they just make base-level stuff easier, should we care? Do we balance games around what GO1 can do? That seems insane to me. We're already assuming everything that's in our game is physically possible on pad anyway, right? If Daigo is actually serious about playing hitbox - and Daigo is secretly one of the biggest complainers in the FGC - , it's gonna be interesting seeing what happens.
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There's also the minor issue that doping tends to get banned in sports because it fucks people up over time for short term advantage, so banning it is better for every single competitor in the long term. Lmao at applying such logic to a glorified keyboard.
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Corbeau posted:There's also the minor issue that doping tends to get banned in sports because it fucks people up over time for short term advantage, so banning it is better for every single competitor in the long term. Lmao at applying such logic to a glorified keyboard. Shark suits dont gently caress people up, those long putters or whatever in golf didnt gently caress anyone up, shooting your opponent with a gun in MMA well nevermind but technology that improves performance is frequently banned in pretty much every sport
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Corbeau posted:There's also the minor issue that doping tends to get banned in sports because it fucks people up over time for short term advantage This is incredibly naive but also a complete non-sequitur because the point isn't to draw a comparison to actual doping. Ask yourself why metal or corked bats aren't allowed in baseball, why certain golf clubs and balls are restricted, or whatever various other limitation on equipment is made in sport because people have decided they have a markedly negative effect solely on the play of the game, not pose a risk to the players.
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In Training posted:Technology doping is a legitimate concern in lots of sports and has been for a long time, it's not a made up phrase
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Dias posted:
Reminder that Daigo quit VSav and went back to playing Hunter because he thought Q-Bee was bullshit.
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May 25, 2019 18:26
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picking qbee is technology doping
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May 25, 2019 18:39
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Using a fightstick is technology doping unless I'm using one then using a pad is technology doping.
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May 25, 2019 19:31
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I don't know about technology doping, but I'm finding it hilarious that Daigo has become so washed out over the years, he now thinks a modified hitbox is the one thing that will give him the upper hand. For christ's sake, Daigo, not loving up inputs was the one thing you were good at.
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May 25, 2019 19:35
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Saoshyant posted:I don't know about technology doping, but I'm finding it hilarious that Daigo has become so washed out over the years, he now thinks a modified hitbox is the one thing that will give him the upper hand. For christ's sake, Daigo, not loving up inputs was the one thing you were good at. welcome, twitch chat
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May 25, 2019 19:39
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I read daigos book and still suck
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May 25, 2019 19:42
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Using buttons for everything instead of a stick is super nice imo
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May 25, 2019 20:04
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Y'all need to be watching Combo Breaker's mystery game stream.
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May 25, 2019 20:16
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Jiro posted:Y'all need to be watching Combo Breaker's mystery game stream. This was unnecessarily difficult to find: https://www.twitch.tv/madcitygg
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May 25, 2019 20:47
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Reposting the schedule with stream urls. Times are CDT.
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What I learned from this conversation, as someone still learning the basics of fighting games, is that keyboards are not the total joke option I always imagined they were.
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Azran posted:What I learned from this conversation, as someone still learning the basics of fighting games, is that keyboards are not the total joke option I always imagined they were. Im not sure why they would be. I dont know of any modern fighting games* that have mechanics based on how much you push a button and its a fixed plane so you dont need camera controls. *RIP Street Fighter 1 arcade, you were a real one
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Azran posted:What I learned from this conversation, as someone still learning the basics of fighting games, is that keyboards are not the total joke option I always imagined they were. Well duh, you've had melty players living that lifestyle for the longest time now. Also these people: 
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smash64 community grew up on pj64 netplay, hence the keyboard popularity
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Azran posted:What I learned from this conversation, as someone still learning the basics of fighting games, is that keyboards are not the total joke option I always imagined they were. I play Tekken and Soulcalibur on the keyboard. I actually bought an arcade stick but I still prefer the keyboard
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:Well duh, you've had melty players living that lifestyle for the longest time now. cursed image
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Azran posted:What I learned from this conversation, as someone still learning the basics of fighting games, is that keyboards are not the total joke option I always imagined they were. Some cheap keyboards can't handle more than 3-5 keys at once so if you want to do something like down-forward plus all three punch buttons your keyboard might just say gently caress you and drop one or more of the inputs
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Some cheap keyboards can't handle more than 3-5 keys at once so if you want to do something like down-forward plus all three punch buttons your keyboard might just say gently caress you and drop one or more of the inputs The true hitbox advantage emerges from the shadows.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Some cheap keyboards can't handle more than 3-5 keys at once so if you want to do something like down-forward plus all three punch buttons your keyboard might just say gently caress you and drop one or more of the inputs you need n-key rollover to play fgs on keyboard, or macros. in the old days on kaillera there were a lot of keyboard players with macros because n-key rollover was rare. its much more standard now on decent keyboards
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I don't get why everyone hates on keyboards./cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/50135625/gono_keyboard.0.jpg)
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Things getting started today. NOW GG top 8: https://www.twitch.tv/teamsp00ky (stacked as gently caress bracket)  Mystery Top 8: https://www.twitch.tv/madcitygg Soulcalubur 2 top8: https://www.twitch.tv/vampirearcadia (still setting up, technical problems)
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May 26, 2019 17:09
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I know it's just normie RPS messy-guessy pablum, but I love watching the Jacqui break/counter break stuff in MKXI.
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May 27, 2019 04:53
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Granblue Versus beta codes got sent out, check ur emails if you registered for the beta
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May 28, 2019 04:20
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If someone's got an extra code or isn't gonna be around for the beta or anything, I'll do horrible things to take an extra code if someone's got one. I didn't make it in. 
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May 28, 2019 04:30
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i got mine even though narmaya's not in yet so the game is basically worthless atm
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:If someone's got an extra code or isn't gonna be around for the beta or anything, I'll do horrible things to take an extra code if someone's got one. I think basically everyone who registered got in, they're sending out the codes over time, so just keep checking your inbox!
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