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Catch-22: A well-acted drama that does a really good job of showing that war is serious, hellish business. I'd be into it, if it weren't screwing up my favorite book. I mean, who plays Catch-22 straight? It's an impressive level of missing the point. I think Catch-22 is challenging but adaptable, but this ain't it. Also, Doc Daneeka was awful.
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May 23, 2019 14:15
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I'm only 4 eps in, but I can't stop thinking about the dead man in Yossarian's tent. It's such a small beat that perfectly lays out Catch-22 and somehow they missed the point entirely. Although, their interpretation does seems to suit this show. That's not to say I'm not enjoying it, it's a really beautiful show, it's just not quite Catch-22.
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May 24, 2019 10:21
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I was saying on the goon discord, i haven't read the books but i loved everything about it. I was mainly there for George Clooney and the warbird porn
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May 24, 2019 11:29
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Yeah, it is very well executed, and very much not like the book. Except Daneeka just couldn't do the dialogue. Turns out he's one of the directors. But literally everyone else acted their balls off.
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May 24, 2019 17:41
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So I just fished the last two episodes and that was a fantastic season of television, so long as you're not expecting Catch-22. As it is, I'm just disappointed.
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May 25, 2019 04:04
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The flying over Italy bits always looks beautiful
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May 26, 2019 22:42
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I really enjoyed the show. Abbot felt a bit flat but was more than made up for by the scenery chewing going on elsewhere. Milo's arc was absolutely hilarious and well acted.
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May 27, 2019 09:18
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Such a weird show- actually not bad, with generally great acting and filming, but so much of the book seems to have gone over their heads. Torn between saying I liked it a lot, I was disappointed by it, and also that it seems like maybe the best way to adapt an unadaptable book is to just make something almost completely different.
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May 27, 2019 14:30
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I didn’t feel like they played it straight. It’s pretty surreal and funny and hopeless. I dunno, Catch-22 is my favorite book and thought it was the best adaption of the book you could hope for
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May 29, 2019 17:15
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Mandrel posted:I didn’t feel like they played it straight. It’s pretty surreal and funny and hopeless. I don't think they played it straight either, but it was a pretty toothless adaptation. Their interpretation of Milo was the biggest problem. He went from a war profiteer with the black market tied up, to a dedicated mess officer, I guess?
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May 29, 2019 22:53
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Leocadia posted:I don't think they played it straight either, but it was a pretty toothless adaptation. uh he still seemed like a war profiteer who ran a worldwide black market business. he didn’t give a gently caress about the war or the army, any pretense he made about that was purely to bamboozle Kyle Chandler
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May 30, 2019 01:45
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Mandrel posted:uh he still seemed like a war profiteer who ran a worldwide black market business. he didn’t give a gently caress about the war or the army, any pretense he made about that was purely to bamboozle Kyle Chandler But it was still limited to food - no antiquities being shipped through Pianosa - and there wasn't any indication that he would, for example, feed Egyptian cotton to the troops just so he wouldn't take a loss.
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May 30, 2019 02:09
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8/10 for no egyptian cotton, "where are the snowdens of yesteryear?" and no black eyes/ feathers in our caps list. The last one I think they cut at the last minute, I remember at least one black eye mentioned. I felt the tone was a fuckload bleaker than the book but otherwise maybe the best adaptation one could hope for.
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May 30, 2019 02:46
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Leocadia posted:But it was still limited to food - no antiquities being shipped through Pianosa - and there wasn't any indication that he would, for example, feed Egyptian cotton to the troops just so he wouldn't take a loss. it wasn’t limited to food though, he trafficked weapons, vehicles, and military equipment as well including American arms to foreign buyers
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May 30, 2019 02:59
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Mandrel posted:it wasn’t limited to food though, he trafficked weapons, vehicles, and military equipment as well including American arms to foreign buyers Fair enough. I still feel like in the series he was motivated by his country, and in the book by himself. I don't remember, in the series did Milo have Yossarian's squadron flying his missions? I'm willing to concede that maybe I just missed that part of his characterisation in the show.
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May 30, 2019 03:37
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Leocadia posted:Fair enough. I still feel like in the series he was motivated by his country, and in the book by himself. I don't remember, in the series did Milo have Yossarian's squadron flying his missions? hmm, I don’t think so. he mentions that he’s only gotten like 5 done and there’s no loving way he’s doing any more, but I don’t think he has anybody fly the missions for him
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May 30, 2019 05:23
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Gotta agree with everyone, it's probably a fine miniseries on its own, but it pales in comparison to the book. Some of the wordplay and mania might've been too much for a TV show, and Milo's little notes in the supplies would probably come off as too cartoony. My biggest disappointment was Orr. Putting Yossarian in the plane with Orr as it goes down completely misses the point. Orr wanted Yossarian to fly with him so they could both escape. In the show, Orr tells Yossarian to jump out of the plane right as he's about to go to Sweden. Completely changes the tenor. I really didn't like the musical choices. The period appropriate music was mostly alright, but all the stuff they had for the Big Dramatic Moments was just too . . . on the nose?
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May 30, 2019 05:48
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Mandrel posted:hmm, I don’t think so. he mentions that he’s only gotten like 5 done and there’s no loving way he’s doing any more, but I don’t think he has anybody fly the missions for him I wasn't sure if I missed it. I thought it would feel out of character for series Milo to do so, but convincing Cathcart to have the squadron fly his missions feels very in character in the book. I know that an adaptation will always be different from the source, but so much of Milo was left out that he was completely different. At least to me. quote:Gotta agree with everyone, it's probably a fine miniseries on its own, but it pales in comparison to the book. Some of the wordplay and mania might've been too much for a TV show, and Milo's little notes in the supplies would probably come off as too cartoony. My biggest disappointment was Orr. Putting Yossarian in the plane with Orr as it goes down completely misses the point. Orr wanted Yossarian to fly with him so they could both escape. In the show, Orr tells Yossarian to jump out of the plane right as he's about to go to Sweden. Completely changes the tenor. I definitely agree about Orr, I found that scene very jarring. I really enjoyed the music though. I've realised that I have stronger than necessary feelings about Catch-22.
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May 30, 2019 07:05
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