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Thanks Ants posted:Ontap had (still has?) an inode limit on shared volumes that you can raise but you need to be careful if you have a workload that creates billions of files. There is a per volume limit but it’s 2,000,000,000 in newer code lines and you can use flexgroups to magnify that by spreading it over multiple volumes. Still not the best architecture for extremely high file counts but they do have the flexibility to dedicate cache purely to metadata as requested and would work fine for the numbers being discussed.
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Thanks Ants posted:Ontap had (still has?) an inode limit on shared volumes
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Hello friends one of our research groups wants a (probably all flash) ~100TB box to serve ~1GB files over 10GBE/SMB who should we be talking to? I'm the EU since that probably matters.
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evil_bunnY posted:Hello friends one of our research groups wants a (probably all flash) ~100TB box to serve ~1GB files over 10GBE/SMB who should we be talking to? I'm the EU since that probably matters. High random I/O with many users, or maximum throughput with a low user count? That's going to be expensive, my wife's research lab is looking at stuffing a bunch of 8TB Intel P4510s into a Supermicro 1P EPYC box to satisfy the "high throughput" use case.
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evil_bunnY posted:Hello friends one of our research groups wants a (probably all flash) ~100TB box to serve ~1GB files over 10GBE/SMB who should we be talking to? I'm the EU since that probably matters. See lots of love in here for Pure.
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evil_bunnY posted:Hello friends one of our research groups wants a (probably all flash) ~100TB box to serve ~1GB files over 10GBE/SMB who should we be talking to? I'm the EU since that probably matters. It's probably going to come down to cost, right? It's hard to know exactly how much things cost without getting quotes. I've some experience with Nimble, and it's pretty positive.
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evil_bunnY posted:Hello friends one of our research groups wants a (probably all flash) ~100TB box to serve ~1GB files over 10GBE/SMB who should we be talking to? I'm the EU since that probably matters. H110Hawk fucked around with this message at 17:29 on May 3, 2019 |
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H110Hawk posted:Is that a typo that they really want to use 1/100,000th of the space? Because you're literally in a "any random computer with an nvme disk, enough ram to cache it all, and a 10G card" territory. Heck a rotational HDD or a "pro" SSD might serve you here based on the stats given. I think they're saying the files are around 1 gig in size... Not that they total 1 gig of used space.
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BonoMan posted:I think they're saying the files are around 1 gig in size... Not that they total 1 gig of used space. That makes so much more sense.  (In my defense we are on day 3 of a sick child who wakes up in the night.)
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H110Hawk posted:That makes so much more sense. I know the pain. I have a 4 year old and another one due in July. My brain has been mush for years now. BonoMan fucked around with this message at 17:39 on May 3, 2019 |
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May 3, 2019 17:32
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Twerk from Home posted:High random I/O with many users, or maximum throughput with a low user count? That's going to be expensive, my wife's research lab is looking at stuffing a bunch of 8TB Intel P4510s into a Supermicro 1P EPYC box to satisfy the "high throughput" use case. H110Hawk posted:That makes so much more sense.
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Thanks Ants posted:See lots of love in here for Pure. Doesn’t do SMB (not well, anyway). HalloKitty posted:It's probably going to come down to cost, right? It's hard to know exactly how much things cost without getting quotes. I've some experience with Nimble, and it's pretty positive. Also doesn’t do SMB. evil_bunnY posted:Hello friends one of our research groups wants a (probably all flash) ~100TB box to serve ~1GB files over 10GBE/SMB who should we be talking to? I'm the EU since that probably matters. Qumulo and Isilon have all flash offerings, and there’s always NetApp who may end up being the cheapest. Not a ton of all flash NAS specialists out there.
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Is a NAS a requirement? If you can find some solid all flash array that is pure block, would it be terrible to stand up a server in from of it?
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Doesn’t do SMB (not well, anyway).
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Moey posted:Is a NAS a requirement? If you can find some solid all flash array that is pure block, would it be terrible to stand up a server in from of it? Not ideal if performance is the goal. Also impacts availability since the server is a SPOF.
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Yeah I want the box close to the end users for dumb reasons I can’t fix, so standing up a servers means more PoFs unless I put a full virt stack there and they’re not that loaded.
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https://www.emc.com/dam/uwaem/documentation/unity-p-configure-smb-file-sharing.pdf Though I believe it still requires AD integration if you want to just slam SMB off the appliance.
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You could find a VAR that will do you one of those 1U NVMe NGSFF Supermicro builds running Windows Server, which is a step up from putting it together yourself.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Not ideal if performance is the goal. Also impacts availability since the server is a SPOF. This came up in our latest hunt for a new NAS/SAN. The Pure solution is running a single Windows server per Pure controller (which are active/active) and putting them in front of a DFS namespace for fault tolerance. They also advertise a performance advantage over typical VM solution since the server is closer to the storage. We did end up buying a Pure and from a block perspective it's been pretty amazing. We're a small use case though: 40TB - 500 user. Haven't yet spun up the Purity Run DFS cluster but it's on the project list. Also if anyone is interested - we were able to get our Pure price to be almost the exact same as the Nimble all flash offering. Apples to apples as we could get it. It was a few hundred bucks difference.
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DataON will spec & configure poo poo fer ya
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Numinous posted:This came up in our latest hunt for a new NAS/SAN. The Pure solution is running a single Windows server per Pure controller (which are active/active) and putting them in front of a DFS namespace for fault tolerance. They also advertise a performance advantage over typical VM solution since the server is closer to the storage. Pure is great storage but the file services solution is explicitly not a high performance NAS replacement. Purity Run is given limited resources to avoid impacting block storage services too heavily. It’s fine for departmental shares and the like but for the workload in discussion it’s not a good fit.
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Probably also worth talking to WD/Tegile or whatever they call themselves these days.
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Maneki Neko posted:Probably also worth talking to WD/Tegile or whatever they call themselves these days. Only if you want a mediocre product from a dying brand.
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It hurts me to do it, but I can recommend oracle for this sort of product. The ZFS appliances they acquired in the Sun acquisition are pretty great. And they aren't necessarily the "gently caress you" kind of pricing Oracle is known for.
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I am a big Pure fan and I every time I talk to our Pure rep, I ask why they aren't going after the NetApp market by selling me one array that can do block via FC, block via iSCSI, NFS, and SMB. He talked up FlashBlade a lot before it came out, but when it released without SMB support, I just sagged in my chair and began muttering negative thoughts.
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I can definitely see the benefits in leaving SMB to Windows and DFS-N/DFS-R
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adorai posted:It hurts me to do it, but I can recommend oracle for this sort of product. The ZFS appliances they acquired in the Sun acquisition are pretty great. And they aren't necessarily the "gently caress you" kind of pricing Oracle is known for. They rif’d most of the remaining zfs/solaris devs last year (?) though.
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Please do not give Oracle money, it only encourages their continued existence.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Please do not give Oracle money, it only encourages their continued existence. 2nding this, if you need/want ZFS, there are TONS of 3rd party groups that make NAS/SAN systems on top of Solaris/Linux that use ZFS.
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Not going to lie, I kinda like the EMC Unity (and XT) line. Pure really wants to sell the "magic storage box" where with Unity I have some flexibility.
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Yeah but EMC. I’ve been very very happy with our Pures, they have been rock solid from day one and the support is fantastic. I don’t even bother doing software upgrades, I just put in a ticket with support to upgrade to x version at y time and they do it.
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Moey posted:Not going to lie, I kinda like the EMC Unity (and XT) line. Flexibility in storage is overrated. Simplicity and consistency are way more important. There are plenty of other ways to serve files and usually they avoid some of the downsides of doing it directly from an array.
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Pure is still on the table, just waiting for more quotes. Going to be looking into NetApp as well.
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Hey all, not sure if this is the place to ask so kindly tell me to gtfo if not but I'm looking for some help with a PXE on-demand imaging solution for my company to use. I've been testing Clonedeploy and mostly have it working but running into issues when trying to implement it for real using two different network ports with different subnets for load balancing. I'll link the support post I made over on the CD forums explaining my situation, which will likely go unanswered forever seeing as how the developer of this poo poo just called it quits, but I guess my main question is has anyone done this before that can provide some insight and I guess is there a better imaging solution I should be looking into now that this is apparently done getting updated? We used to use Clonezilla before but it broke somehow and our actual IT department (I'm in Implementation) can't be arsed to actually fix it so it's down to me at this point.
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explosivo posted:Hey all, not sure if this is the place to ask so kindly tell me to gtfo if not but I'm looking for some help with a PXE on-demand imaging solution for my company to use. I've been testing Clonedeploy and mostly have it working but running into issues when trying to implement it for real using two different network ports with different subnets for load balancing. I'll link the support post I made over on the CD forums explaining my situation, which will likely go unanswered forever seeing as how the developer of this poo poo just called it quits, but I guess my main question is has anyone done this before that can provide some insight and I guess is there a better imaging solution I should be looking into now that this is apparently done getting updated? We used to use Clonezilla before but it broke somehow and our actual IT department (I'm in Implementation) can't be arsed to actually fix it so it's down to me at this point. Sorry you're getting the run around. I personally thought your question would be fine in the IT thread you originally posted. That being said, this is the Enterprise Storage thread and I think folks were directing you to the Enterprise Windows thread. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3327309
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Internet Explorer posted:Sorry you're getting the run around. I personally thought your question would be fine in the IT thread you originally posted. That being said, this is the Enterprise Storage thread and I think folks were directing you to the Enterprise Windows thread. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3327309 Lol I saw two enterprise threads and thought either one was 50/50 at best. No problem, I appreciate it.
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Never used the before, figured it wouldn't hurt to quote. No need for the NAS features, just some boring block iSCSI.
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