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Arcsquad12 posted:Complaining about wacky super tech in Godzilla movies would invalidate just about everything from The entire franchise is built on the foundation of "Giant monsters inflicted on the world because of man's hubris? Oh hey I know a guy who just happens to have a super weapon we can use!"
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Shneak posted:Also some random sarcastic employee has the power to command the military to provide Monarch every nuke in their arsenal only for them to just use one on Godzilla Wasn’t this after the Admiral admitted that they had in fact hosed it all up? I imagine with the general state of things anybody on the scene could do whatever they want without higher authorities having any ability to loop in. Also the nukes were probably on the carrier with the Admiral.
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May 31, 2019 20:44
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Basically, when you find out that you just nearly killed Lizard Jesus and that Space Satan is real and IS ABOUT TO MURDER EVERYTHING YOU KNOW AND LOVE, you get a bit more reasonable about what to do to fix the problem you made
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May 31, 2019 20:56
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A Ghidorah figure has appeared! For like 170 dollars.
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May 31, 2019 21:04
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Peacoffee posted:A Ghidorah figure has appeared! For like 170 dollars. Wait around, NECA might release one in the coming months for half the price Probably going to announce it at SDDC with burning Godzilla since Rodan and Mothra were both paired up with a Godzilla
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May 31, 2019 21:07
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Shout out to Millie Bobby Brown. Kaiju are number 1 but she was the next best character. I loved just about everything she did. E: FigureArts are worth every penny btw - see if you can get a payment plan to lessen the blow. AwesomeCollector.com has something like this.
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May 31, 2019 21:09
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Yeah I haven't heard a lot about her from people, but she was one of the best things in the movie
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May 31, 2019 21:19
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Arcsquad12 posted:Complaining about wacky super tech in Godzilla movies would invalidate just about everything from Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster onwards. Would people be so pissed off about the ORCA if it was being used by space apes? These are basically my thoughts. All the criticism about the plot is perfectly valid, of course, and I won’t discount it, but on the wackiness scale it’s pretty tame by series standards. In its particulars and plot devices it feels studiously loyal to the Japanese movies. I think there’s a tendency to expect that with the elevated budget we should get an elevated approach to the type of story we get. Maybe that’s a reasonable expectation. But as someone who grew up watching my VHS recordings of Godzilla TNT marathons , I can’t really complain about what comes across as a very loving, trillion-dollar budget translation of those films.
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May 31, 2019 21:30
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Burkion posted:Yeah I haven't heard a lot about her from people, but she was one of the best things in the movie She was great, she's a terrific actor. But I don't think she had five minutes of dialog and not a ton more screen time. Spoke Lee posted:I get the complaints and issues, and the problems with the tone shift from G14. I just don't see how you overcome them but give us the expanded world of monsters. The premise starts with the absurd. That doesn't mean you have to force absurdity upon absurdity. Stick with the tone of the first, maintain their behavior as animals who will respond to an alpha. Don't have Monarch's tech advance 30 years in five. Build some tension, show elapsed time, make us see the apocalypse slowly making its way to the U.S., give the characters a second dimension if you can't make it to three. Did you not find Farmiga getting a redemptive scene ridiculous? It didn't have to be, they could have made us understand her better (or my preference, giving her a different motivation altogether), and it wouldn't have to have taken a lot of time. Cut out the idiocy of hollow Earth wormholes. You could have had every monster fight without any of the bullshit they had. Adding one or two absurdities to a fantastical universe doesn't force you to add ten and shitcan the established universe. Even Skull Island, which had a much lighter tone and some crazy poo poo (natives who don't age, a 100 foot gorilla that manages to sneak up on people, etc.) didn't feel out of place in the new monsterverse.
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May 31, 2019 21:40
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I liked the monarch/tech stuff, I think it gave the humans more meaningful ways to interact with the kaju, plus made for some cool set pieces.
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May 31, 2019 21:50
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The idea that the tech advanced a whole bunch doesn't resonate with me. The Ospreys are real aircraft. The computer monitors....they're computer monitors. The command and control stuff looked like the Bourne movies. The Argo was really the only thing that strained credibility but if you're going after that in a film that features a flying 1000000,000000 ton dragon that shoots gravity beams and lighting then I just don't know what to say. It strikes me as wanting the Monsterverse to be "regular earth but with Titans" but that was never going to happen and that's literally NEVER been how the Godzilla movies have operated past their initial installments.
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May 31, 2019 22:01
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Again I wonder how modern audiences would respond to the aliens mind controlling the monsters back in Monster Zero and Destroy All Monsters. I thought it was cool how the ORCA never explicitly worked on Ghidorah. he only ever wanted to attack the device and assert his dominance, since he identified it's frequency as a threat to his rule. The eco terrorists lost control of the situation the minute they released him from the ice, and the ORCA was pretty much useless as a control device after Rodan broke out, rendering it little more than a lure.
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May 31, 2019 22:11
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Arcsquad12 posted:Complaining about wacky super tech in Godzilla movies would invalidate just about everything from Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster onwards. Would people be so pissed off about the ORCA if it was being used by space apes? Now I want ORCA equipped Jet Jaguar escorting all the Titans.
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May 31, 2019 22:39
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Arcsquad12 posted:Again I wonder how modern audiences would respond to the aliens mind controlling the monsters back in Monster Zero and Destroy All Monsters. It also makes a LOT of sense why, since the device was made to work with terrestrial lifeforms. Which Ghidorah, explicitly, was not in any way. To the point of confounding every single science person. I love how jaded they were that a three headed golden dragon with lightning breath didn't phase them- must be some weird mutation! But the moment he starts doing all his other poo poo, they can't even deal with it.
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May 31, 2019 22:41
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:She was great, she's a terrific actor. She's a great actor, but her character was pretty forgettable. I don't even know what her character's name is. Then again, that pretty much goes for anyone except Serizawa.
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May 31, 2019 23:03
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s.i.r.e. posted:I don't even know what her character's name is. Madison! Madison! Where are you my baby girl Madison?!
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May 31, 2019 23:08
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I got back from the movie a while ago and I like that the whole movie was about humans trying to control and use forces of nature and failing every time.
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May 31, 2019 23:26
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Teenage Fansub posted:Madison! Madison! Where are you my baby girl Madison?! See its an ironic echo of the opening scene. .. Btw I saw everything perfectly, so maybe IMAX does help. (Even if its murder on my ears)
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May 31, 2019 23:32
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I could have actually used more contrast and blacks. It was all a bit milky in my screening.
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May 31, 2019 23:33
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Loved it.
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May 31, 2019 23:46
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The more I reflect on it, the more I appreciate Godzilla burping lightning and how it kind of encapsulates the mood of the movie
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May 31, 2019 23:49
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:The premise starts with the absurd. That doesn't mean you have to force absurdity upon absurdity. I agree with everything you’ve posted. I liked the movie and the director’s other work, but of the three Legendary movies I like this the least and don’t like some of the directions it’s taking the series. Also, this may not be a popular opinion, but as someone who grew up watching Godzilla movies (and loved Vs Kong, Vs Megalon, etc.) I don’t care if this mirrors the previous movies or want them to integrate a bunch of wacky stuff just because wacky stuff once existed around the character. I want the Legendary movies to be a self contained amazing series. Have homages, fine, but I don’t want to hand wave away a bad plot just because movies from 40 years ago sometimes had silly plots. But, even as someone who can quote a bunch of the silly stuff (“I’m going to Hokkaido! ... Don’t go to Hokkaido!”) my favorite is the first movie and the more serious tone so I know my tastes probably don’t translate to what other people want.
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Without getting too deep into details or spoilers, here's my thoughts in a nutshell: you'd have to be out of your mind to expect them to remake G'54 on a big budget. I think that something like Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster was within the realm of possibility, but KOTM fell well short of that mark. The thing about GTTHM, along with the best of the Godzilla sequels, is that they had a certain intelligence about them, even if they had absurd or nonsensical stories. I didn't see a lot of that intelligence on display here in KOTM.
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I thought this movie owned, BUT the pacing was really bad and most of the last 30? 40? minutes had me screaming for some monster ANY monster to punch something. yeah I get it dumb movie-goer but the inherently silly human plot dragged on for way too long at the end. also, poor Mothra getting jobbed out in her first movie. Her part was important and I liked the reverence she received, but dang. I liked the callback of the two ladies with Mothra; maybe an actual thing going forward? Ghidorah ruled hard. Obviously it was in the first trailer but hearing the words "King Ghidorah" spoken completely straight tickled something in my lizard brain. Ghidorah's defeat did feel a little sudden but then I remembered Big G had him beat in the ocean. Overall really enjoyed it. Had some flaws but it was nice to get some legit Godzilla action. TheHoosier fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Jun 1, 2019 |
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Jun 1, 2019 02:40
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I quite enjoyed it. Solid entry to the franchise.
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Jun 1, 2019 02:53
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https://twitter.com/Crunchyroll/status/1134648336634601473 A coffee company in Japan is doing a Twitter contest with THIS FUCKIN' JACKET as a prize and it's Japan only noooo
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Jun 1, 2019 03:34
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I can see the problems the critics had with the movie, the human scenes are kinda messy and weird and in particular Kyle Chandler's character feels poorly defined. People complained about the lead in G14 but he had a fairly straightforward arc (wants to protect his family, but is swept up in the greater cause.) This guy I'm less sure about. But the monster action is in fact That drat Good. Like it's pretty much everything I wanted in the idea of a big-budget American kaiju film. It's kinda messy and jumpy but I think Dougherty was still able to keep the action legible- it's a bit like how Jun Fukuda directed the Showa films v. Ishiro Honda. Ghidorah's design is gorgeous too, very expressive. And despite the problems with the human scenes (the messy, jumpy approach works less well with the human characters), there are a few that approach the kind of bizarre grandeur the movies had at their best. Serizawa sacrificing himself inside an ancient temple is at once totally contrived and also kinda awesome. Also, "We've got this new weapon called an Oxygen Destroyer, we've already launched it". Also, we got a midair battle between Rodan and Mothra, at last. I liked their characterizations, Rodan being cowed by Ghidorah and then Godzilla is very amusing.
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Jun 1, 2019 03:46
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I enjoyed this, it was awesome. Godzilla 2014 is the better movie that had a lot more going on with this being more like Kong Skull Island wasting no time being faster paced, cut, and action oriented and straightforward.
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Jun 1, 2019 04:10
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Holy gently caress this movie holy gently caress holy gently caress holy gently caress
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Jun 1, 2019 04:12
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Liked it a lot more than I was expecting based on this thread and the reviews. I saw it in 3D and it seemed pretty flat to me. It didn't seem to add much and was probably not worth the extra ticket price.
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Sierra Nevadan posted:Liked it a lot more than I was expecting based on this thread and the reviews. Why do people even see movies in 3D anymore. None of them are shot for it.
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Jun 1, 2019 04:20
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Nuclear Power when used as a tool of destruction is bad but when used for power is cleaner than alternate options. Thus it is good and bad. In this case the nuke restored and powered Godzilla back up. I didn't like that the movie didn't allow itself to breathe and spend time on the scale and scope and instead was more traditional action. There's a lot it throws at you that is awesome then ends it or moves on like the underground Temple of Godzilla
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wdarkk posted:Why do people even see movies in 3D anymore. None of them are shot for it. It can be really fun for some films.
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Jun 1, 2019 04:37
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... I know it isn't But if that was a super obscure reference to Barry's Temple of Godzilla
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Jun 1, 2019 04:56
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Personally, I think of it as a Seatopia reference.
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Jun 1, 2019 05:32
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KOTM had Transfomers: The Last Knight levels of incomprehensability. It seems like the writers shotgunned into the script every brainstorm idea they had without restraint. Eat your heart out, Final Wars.... No wonder KOTM is getting such a mixed reaction, and right now I'm so conflicted that I simultaneously relate to and understand most viewpoints on the movie I've read. A few thoughts: - There should be an analysis comparing MCU humor to this movie's humor, which fell flat (whereas Marvel jokes land consistently). IMO I didnt think KOTM's jokes were inherently bad, so why didn't they work? The failed comedy hosed with this movie's tone, big time. - To me Godzilla's screentime is exaggerated. We have a brief Antarctica and sea fight, then Godzilla is gone due to oxygen destroyer. Oh my was it tedious and boring, that whole nuclear revitalization ordeal, just to get Godzilla back into the movie. - Soundtrack and special effects were obvious strong points
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:KOTM had Transfomers: The Last Knight levels of incomprehensability. I would like you to explain what you mean in detail on this, if you can or feel like it. To me the story was staggeringly straight forward and simple. But I am very curious what was confusing about it, from your point of view?
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I also thought the plot was insane and nonsensical at best, but I got over it and enjoyed the movie for the rollercoaster ride it is. It's a movie that has a lot to offer once you stop asking 'huh?'
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Jun 1, 2019 05:57
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I thought the sense of scale was pretty good. Rodan destroying the town just by flying over it was a great scene.
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stratofarius posted:I also thought the plot was insane and nonsensical at best, but I got over it and enjoyed the movie for the rollercoaster ride it is. I think the plot beats were mostly straightforward but it seems like the character's motivations changed from scene to scene really unnaturally. Like, Serizawa testifies before...Congress? saying that humans should probably accept the fact that we're pets to these powerful creatures. Then a couple scenes later, Emma suggests the very same thing and he gets all salty like "you're going down a dangerous path!!!!" I can't think of anything positive that Mark added to this movie. Take him and all his screen time out and you've got something really good.
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