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Roland Jones posted:No, I'm not trying to say that he's "just a big lizard", and the movie doesn't treat him that way either for that matter; what I mean is that he is literally too big to do what you want. This universe pretends to be somewhat realistic, relative to the Toho "Godzilla slides across the landscape on his tail" stuff at least, so after everything that occurred, he literally could not immediately react the way you wanted. He's big, lumbering, slow, and was royally hosed up after what Ghidorah did to him, so of course it took him a bit to get up and destroy Ghidorah for killing Mothra. The best I can see for what you described, with the events directly following one another, would be something like cutting out Emma's sacrifice, so that after Mothra dies and charges Godzilla up, when Ghidorah is moving in to grab him or starts strangling him he immediately unleashes a nuclear pulse and blasts the dragon away, forcing him back long enough for Godzilla to get to his feet and get revenge. Which, on the one hand, in the hypothetical reworked movie where the human plots were better and we didn't need the above thing, could have worked, but on the other hand the reveal of burning Godzilla where his mere presence is melting the buildings around him was pretty cool, so. Yeah, that suggestion is pretty much what I had in mind - or maybe just shuffling Emma's sacrifice, so Mothra spends that time getting over to Godzilla and trying to heal him. Give them a longer moment together, you know? And I do agree, that shot would be a difficult thing to sacrifice!
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Next movie opens up with King Godzilla in Skull Island completely bored by everything as Anguirus is giving him a finance report on Titan Expenses. And then he catches up with his estranged nephew to look after the younger triplet nephews who together with baby Mothra reignite his love for adventure? Ed: the triplets are Minilla, Godzooky and Zilla. Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Jun 4, 2019 |
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Godzooki is a fake idea.
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:Who's the Danny Devito analogue? Left Head
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Minilla, Zilla and Jr. The other two hate Jr because he's a kiss rear end for daddy's approval.
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Dammerung posted:Yeah, that suggestion is pretty much what I had in mind - or maybe just shuffling Emma's sacrifice, so Mothra spends that time getting over to Godzilla and trying to heal him. Give them a longer moment together, you know? Makes sense. And yeah, I do wish we had seen them interact more, and had more Mothra in general. Though, tangent, I do like that, before Rodan comes in and blindsides Mothra, Godzilla has Ghidorah down and seems to be giving her the kill shot on the dragon. Those two would have easily taken down Ghidorah if he hadn't gotten his own assist. Also, Godzilla and Mothra working together makes a sort of "good" counterpart to the MUTO couple from the last movie, with the big heavyweight on the ground and the lighter aerial harassment, though Mothra has more lethal power than the male MUTO did. (Ghidorah and Rodan don't quite have this dynamic, since both are fliers and Rodan is only "light" relative to Ghidorah rather than the Titans in general.) Not sure if that's intentional or meaningful or anything, but I think it's kind of neat.
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Roland Jones posted:Also, Godzilla and Mothra working together makes a sort of "good" counterpart to the MUTO couple from the last movie This reminds me, I was a little disappointed that we only get one fully-grown MUTO as one of the Titans instead of a couple.
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Sorry if this was already addressed, or was super obvious in the movie, but was the supercharged burning Godzilla due to an overdose of nuclear power, him being dropped a thousand miles from the air, Mothras energy,.or all 3? Edit - if it is a combo of these things, it kind of demonstrates how the movie crammed too many ideas in. Just one of these things would have sufficed.
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Roland Jones posted:Makes sense. And yeah, I do wish we had seen them interact more, and had more Mothra in general. Though, tangent, I do like that, before Rodan comes in and blindsides Mothra, Godzilla has Ghidorah down and seems to be giving her the kill shot on the dragon. Those two would have easily taken down Ghidorah if he hadn't gotten his own assist. For sure! Ghidorah really got lucky so many times throughout the movie. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the first time Godzilla and (maybe another) Mothra pummeled him over the course of their long history together.
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It was from the nuke, right? They said it gave him a little too much juice.
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Mantis42 posted:It was from the nuke, right? They said it gave him a little too much juice. I heard that dialogue too, but Mothra's shriek was heard when Godzilla unleashed his finishing move
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:Sorry if this was already addressed, or was super obvious in the movie, but was the supercharged burning Godzilla due to an overdose of nuclear power, him being dropped a thousand miles from the air, Mothras energy,.or all 3? My understanding is that it was from the nuke juice and was set on a timer. In fact, the timer is shown and the human characters are stalling until it kicks in.
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He was overcharged. They didn't have a timer set to it per se, the timer was a calculation based on an estimate for when he'd go critical.
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The human plot could have been improved if Madison had Minilla and got themselves into wacky hijinks while the adults try to have a serious plot.
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:Sorry if this was already addressed, or was super obvious in the movie, but was the supercharged burning Godzilla due to an overdose of nuclear power, him being dropped a thousand miles from the air, Mothras energy,.or all 3? The nuke overcharged him but it was just going to result in him going off like an atom bomb; Mothra's energy seemed to somehow bring things under his own control or something, on top of contributing to his power. I don't know exactly. The drop wasn't a factor though, that just, you know, nearly killed him. Also, King of the Monsters had a strong opening in Japan and beat both 2014 and Shin Godzilla there. I hear it's doing pretty well in China too.
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Mantis42 posted:It was from the nuke, right? They said it gave him a little too much juice. It was the nuke yeah. I think the read is that Mothra’s sacrifice / essence is what helped Godzilla control and channel the reaction into an attack instead him melting down Roland Jones posted:Also, King of the Monsters had a strong opening in Japan and beat both 2014 and Shin Godzilla there. I hear it's doing pretty well in China too. That’s great! Oh man i can only imagine how fun seeing this movie in Japan with a bunch of Godzilla fans could be
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:Sorry if this was already addressed, or was super obvious in the movie, but was the supercharged burning Godzilla due to an overdose of nuclear power, him being dropped a thousand miles from the air, Mothras energy,.or all 3? THIS was slightly unclear but judging from character dialogue we can surmise what happened. The nuke overloaded Godzilla and he was going to flat out explode, critical mass style. The drop did nothing one way or the other What Mothra did was stabilize and help focus that power Godzilla had, helping him release it as atomic pulses rather than just flat out exploding. Probably saved his life doing so.
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I just watched today and enjoyed the film a lot. I had 0 expectations going into this one aside from awesome spectacle and it gave me what I wanted. Godzilla 2014 was a major disappointment to me because the trailers built it up like it'd be a serious horror kaiju film that I was hoping to be some mix of Godzilla 54 and Cloverfield, but instead it was a decent typical kaiju film. And to be fair, right until Bryan Cranston's arc ended, it was basically everything I wanted. And then he died. I still think that type of Kaiju movie would be amazing and probably a fairly unique experience since I don't think it's ever been done in earnest with a major studio and budget. I was watching KotM with a similar mindset to how I watch John Wick--turned off my critical brain and enjoyed what happened for what it was. A lot of the criticsm I've read both here and online seems to be from people who expected a lot more than a kaiju battle royale movie. I always thought it was questionable whether these traditional kaiju fight movies could really work the States and if this (and I guess G v KK) turn out to be the last of those movies for a long time here, then I guess I'm fine with it. The human aspects that everyone shits on will always be hard to keep grounded enough to be that sensible. They are what they are, so it's hard to say the market won't dictate itself.
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It's ironic that "stabilized" Godzilla appears to be literally burning with anger.
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It's pretty basic shonen that the hero is unstoppable when burning rage is combined with focus, that's basically the principle behind Super Saiyan.
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The power up godzilla received resulted in him turning into a world of warcraft mage and just running in circles spamming arcane explosion and hoping his target dies before he does
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's pretty basic shonen that the hero is unstoppable when burning rage is combined with focus, that's basically the principle behind Super Saiyan. That was literally what my son's favorite moment was. "Dad, the best part was when Godzilla went Super Saiyan."
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:That was literally what my son's favorite moment was. "Dad, the best part was when Godzilla went Super Saiyan." Godzilla beat up the big bad guy and all his former enemies became his friends.
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Roland Jones posted:I think one of the things this movie carried over from 2014 is Gareth's Edwards's characterization of Godzilla, comparing him to "the last samurai": "He's an ancient warrior who's the last of his kind, and his kind has long since died out. He lives a very solitary lonely existence and he's very happy to keep away from everyone, but we keep doing things to force him to return and put things right." He's old and battle-scarred and not exactly happy, but he still fights if he has to and still protects those he watches over. Similarly, on the earlier topic, he doesn't show much open affection towards Mothra, but he definitely cares. He's just, again, a grumpy old man. I buy that. Maybe Kong'll make Godzilla a little less grumpy since he's basically the young, up-and-coming upstart. Kong could give Big G a lil' taste of what it feels like to be young again 
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Jimbot posted:Godzilla beat up the big bad guy and all his former enemies became his friends. So Godzilla is Luffy
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teagone posted:I buy that. Maybe Kong'll make Godzilla a little less grumpy since he's basically the young, up-and-coming upstart. Kong could give Big G a lil' taste of what it feels like to be young again Godzilla : "Let me tell you something you already know, Kong. The world ain't all sunshine and Mothras. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard ya hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done!"
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Godzilla will become Kong's adopted father and Mothra his mother sister.
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Finally saw it tonight. My old supervisor was on the script team handling the kaiju profiles and research, and I have lots of positive things to say to him. They were handled so well. Mothra is so good you guys
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What the hell is that Godzilla Earth thing from? Is it really that much bigger than everything else?
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Its from the anime trilogy and yes he's huge.
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I really like the MonsterVerse version of Godzilla as a big, grumpy bear and I kind of hope the ending leads to him feeling like too much of a champ and Kong puts him in his place a little bit. Speculation-wise, so far we've had the evolution from "King of the Monsters?" in Godzilla '14 to him taking the crown in this film and I feel like the natural conclusion is Kong leveling up to King Kong (maybe after a Godzilla sacrifice?) At some point I'd definitely like to see Godzilla acting like a mean, grumpy old cat who doesn't realize you're watching, when they roll around in a sunbeam or some poo poo.
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I rewatched G14 and it's not as good as KOTM, but probably a better disaster movie, if that makes sense. I also noticed that there's a brief newsreel saying that the nuclear fallout from the offshore detonation appeared to be negligible. While it's true that water bursts don't create as much fallout, I also think they were implying that Godzilla took the energy of the blast to help him wake up after his big fight with the Mutos.
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I quite like that they called the ship that the intrepid heroes journey the world in pursuit of the monsters the Argo. It's a touch unfortunate that the only other Odyssey reference (at least that I caught) is one of the unnamed minor monsters being called Scylla in material outside the movie.
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Watching Rodan: that scene where the stuntman falls 25 feet into 1.5 feet of water and they just leave it in and go with it, drat.
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So disppointed with KotM. Here and there are some good attempts to transition the retro scenes and elements to the modern context, but they all fall short because of mediocre direction. It is overcompensating too much for the response to G14. Human characters now have a major role in the plot! Except their plot sucks rear end, is not needed, and some of the characters (the happy idiot family) are just insane. There are monsters doing poo poo in clear all the time! Except we lose most of the scale and terror in favor of not-that-good CGI destruction. No loving stakes at all, all the destruction is barely shown. Only part of the movie I really enjoyed is Rodan awakening - some great shots and genuine tension for 10-15 minutes. Having "ecoterrorists" as villains in 2019 is just irresponsible, we are not in the 90s anymore, Tom Clancy has been dead for some time already. But hey we need to use Ospreys so the military is incompetent but not THAT incompetent this time, support the troops!1
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