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General Dog posted:Also frustrating is the underlying implication that the central conflict (the titular “star war”) is so worthless as to be relegated to DLC Star Family Drama.
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General Dog posted:Also frustrating is the underlying implication that the central conflict (the titular “star war”) is so worthless as to be relegated to DLC Disney is turning Star Wars into the Asura's Wrath of movies
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Bogus Adventure posted:That's what we're frustrated about. It's not that they didn't answer it at all, but that they answered it in the books/comics/premium series that Disney wants people to buy rather than in the movie. Well, Partly. I think a lot of us also don't like the explanation we did get either. It basically says no one learned anything and everything was for naught. Like absolutely no-one appears to have used the lessons of the first two trilogies to build a Republic thats less ineffectual and corrupt. That whole Noble Rebellion for Democracy fought that big Star War for nothing?
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Bogus Adventure posted:Well, I did my best to keep things consistent with what is shown in the movie and what is mentioned in the new expanded universe stuff. The Republic Senate can't agree on how to tackle the First Order, with the majority in charge not seeing it as an imminent threat. A minority of Senators and former Rebel Alliance officers want to attack it, so they form the private Resistance. I think it's meant to be more than a search party, as they do drive the First Order away from Takodana. Good point. They're very well armed for a search party, but that could be excused by either saying they were worried about the First Order or simply make the Takodana not the Resistance but the Republic Army. I'm amazed they couldn't even commit to a proper text crawl. 
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Jun 4, 2019 08:22
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Angry Salami posted:Honestly, they should have dropped the whole Republic from the ST entirely. Just have it the Empire fell, every world declared independence, and now the First Order's shown up and Leia's trying to get everyone working together again but most planets don't see it as their problem until they're attacked themselves. Or get the Galaxy splintered into thousands of cultures but without Empire 2.0., and keep the story at a smaller scale instead of going with "even bigger Death Star!". If the original trilogy is the World Wars, make the sequels the Decolonization era. People say Star Wars can only keep rehashing the same stories but the fall of the big centralized government was a golden opportunity for upending the status quo and telling different stories. But of course, that runs counter to making movies full of Empire regalia with slightly different details.
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Jun 4, 2019 09:39
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They should just add that scene from the 2003 hit movie Terminator 3 (Rise of the Machines). Luke: But we defeated the Empire. We stopped Star War! Arnold: You only postponed it. Star War is inevitable.
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Jun 4, 2019 10:34
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Galaxy's Edge opened in Disneyland, by the way. For more of your Space Fight needs. https://twitter.com/JennyENicholson/status/1132873960805228544
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Jun 4, 2019 11:09
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So for those who have read the supplemental stuff, is there any opposing military besides Leia’s group left after TFA or are we supposed to believe that Starkiller wiped them all out?
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Jun 4, 2019 13:40
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FlamingLiberal posted:So for those who have read the supplemental stuff, is there any opposing military besides Leia’s group left after TFA or are we supposed to believe that Starkiller wiped them all out? *shrugs JJ-ishly*
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Jun 4, 2019 14:07
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IIRC one of the rides suggests that there's plenty left. Yes, we're getting this information from a ride.
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Jun 4, 2019 14:50
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galagazombie posted:Well, Partly. I think a lot of us also don't like the explanation we did get either. It basically says no one learned anything and everything was for naught. Like absolutely no-one appears to have used the lessons of the first two trilogies to build a Republic thats less ineffectual and corrupt. That whole Noble Rebellion for Democracy fought that big Star War for nothing? They also don't really go into detail over what aspects of this version of the Republic were flawed enough to lead to it's destruction. That Vanity Fair article says that this new trilogy is about the "sins of the father", but we've yet to be given any specifics about what that means. Is the flaw that they weren't merciless enough in destroying the Imperials? Why does Ben Solo think he has to take on this Vader-esque persona? What is it about the new generation of heroes that has them poised to succeed where the previous ones failed? JJ says that they don't have a desire for the Republic of old, but that's an expanded universe thing, in the actual original trilogy they never once say that they want to make a Republic exactly like the old one, they just say they want to free the galaxy from the Imperials. If I recall correctly, the only characters who even utter the word "Republic" are Tarkin and Old Ben. So there's even less of a sense as to how their goals differ from that of the previous heroes.
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Beeez posted:They also don't really go into detail over what aspects of this version of the Republic were flawed enough to lead to it's destruction. That Vanity Fair article says that this new trilogy is about the "sins of the father", but we've yet to be given any specifics about what that means. Is the flaw that they weren't merciless enough in destroying the Imperials? Why does Ben Solo think he has to take on this Vader-esque persona? What is it about the new generation of heroes that has them poised to succeed where the previous ones failed? JJ says that they don't have a desire for the Republic of old, but that's an expanded universe thing, in the actual original trilogy they never once say that they want to make a Republic exactly like the old one, they just say they want to free the galaxy from the Imperials. If I recall correctly, the only characters who even utter the word "Republic" are Tarkin and Old Ben. So there's even less of a sense as to how their goals differ from that of the previous heroes.
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Jun 4, 2019 15:39
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FlamingLiberal posted:I feel like if they were going to kill off Han in VII and Luke in VIII they needed a better plan. My guess is that they planned to focus on one member of the main three in each film, and so Leia would have been a major focus of IX in the same way that Luke was in VII and Han was in VII.
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Jun 4, 2019 15:44
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thrawn527 posted:I mean, big “if”, but okay. i believe hux when he says they are being opressed. drat those republican scum
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Jun 4, 2019 15:46
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FlamingLiberal posted:it feels to me like IX is going to mostly be cleaning up the mess of the last two. Well, yeah. Why, what did you think JJ Abrams meant by 'sins of the father'?
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Jun 4, 2019 15:54
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It’s about planetary rights
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Darth TNT posted:Good point. They're very well armed for a search party, but that could be excused by either saying they were worried about the First Order or simply make the Takodana not the Resistance but the Republic Army. Yeah. To be fair, TLJ seems to have done a better job at summarizing things. Episode VIII posted:The FIRST ORDER reigns. Not sure what to expect from JJ, though. 
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Jun 4, 2019 20:15
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wdarkk posted:IIRC one of the rides suggests that there's plenty left. This doesn't surprise me considering how many times Official Lucasfilm Storygroup Member Pablo Hidalgo has chimed in via Twitter on the "canon." Imagine having to understand major parts of the story from a loving dweeb on Twitter.
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Jun 5, 2019 13:11
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There's a replica of Poe's black xwing that got blown up in TLJ in the park so wookieepedia has explained that they rebuilt it lmao
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Jun 5, 2019 16:50
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its just an xwing with a paint job, you can buy a dozen x wings at your local star mart and a bunch of rattle cans later youre g2g unlike the millennium falcon of which there is only one and its infinitely powerful warship capacities cannot be matched
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Jun 5, 2019 18:30
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If they blow up the Falcon like the Enterprise or the Defiant (they never will), I suspect there'd be a bunch of people more upset than when Han or Luke died.
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Jun 5, 2019 19:48
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Payndz posted:If they blow up the Falcon like the Enterprise or the Defiant (they never will), I suspect there'd be a bunch of people more upset than when Han or Luke died. Falcon gets blowed up, killing Lando, Chewie, Threepio, and Artoo, leaving only the new characters to carry the rest of the Star Wars saga
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Jun 5, 2019 19:57
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Vinylshadow posted:Falcon gets blowed up, killing Lando, Chewie, Threepio, and Artoo, leaving only the new characters to carry the rest of the Star Wars saga immediately after they die it jarringly cuts to another scene and their death isn't ever discussed
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Jun 5, 2019 19:58
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Flavius Aetass posted:immediately after they die it jarringly cuts to another scene and their death isn't ever discussed Then the Bigger Falcon with Bigger Lando, Fluffier Chewie, Fatter Threepio and Shorter Artoo drops out of Hyperspace...
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Why would you need to discuss it when there are far more important characters to focus on, like *checks notes* Alcida-Auka and Porg #3.
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Jun 5, 2019 20:12
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Chewie, Threepio, and R2D2 are functionally immortal as they don't need a specific actor to play them
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Payndz posted:If they blow up the Falcon like the Enterprise or the Defiant (they never will), I suspect there'd be a bunch of people more upset than when Han or Luke died. I think instead of destroying it, the Lucasfilm Story Group will just change the name of it to REY'S SHIP officially, so it should be fine.
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Mameluke posted:Chewie, Threepio, and R2D2 are functionally immortal as they don't need a specific actor to play them Anthony Daniels' performance is pretty important compared to the other two.
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Jun 5, 2019 20:52
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I really didn't realize how much people loved the falcon until the Disney movies. I mean it's cool but drat
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Jun 5, 2019 21:11
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They didn't love it enough to go see Solo
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i've been a huge star wars fan since i was a toddler, read like a hundred star wars books in middle school and high school, and i still haven't watched solo despite it being on netflix for months
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Jun 5, 2019 21:37
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Beeez posted:I think instead of destroying it, the Lucasfilm Story Group will just change the name of it to REY'S SHIP officially, so it should be fine. Looks good on paper to me
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Flavius Aetass posted:i've been a huge star wars fan since i was a toddler, read like a hundred star wars books in middle school and high school, and i still haven't watched solo despite it being on netflix for months you should watch it so you can continue on the natural path to hating/being wildly bored by star wars
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I remember reading that Star Wars book where they killed off Chewie by dropping a moon on him Also the alien villains had living coral ships
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FlamingLiberal posted:I remember reading that Star Wars book where they killed off Chewie by dropping a moon on him SALVATORE!!!!!! 
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i genuinely dont see whats wrong with killing chewbacca by dropping a moon on him sounds pretty amazing
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Hey just stopping by to say that after decades of Star Wars being pretty clearly better than Star Trek for the sheer better average of quality; Star Trek is now clearly better because it's just more interesting.
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Honestly both Star- franchises are in pretty dire straights quality wise. This thread is more or less dedicated to pointing it out for -Wars, but as a fan of both I can say treks in a very similar state. It likewise is being run by a corporate entity with no real creative vision or particular talent. Gene Roddenberry may have been an insane rear end in a top hat, but he had a legit unique vision that was showing through even on TNG and (despite not being really involved in it) DS9 after he died. It's telling that people generally think a friggin Seth Mcfarlane comedy is considered a better Trek show.
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galagazombie posted:Honestly both Star- franchises are in pretty dire straights quality wise. This thread is more or less dedicated to pointing it out for -Wars, but as a fan of both I can say treks in a very similar state. It likewise is being run by a corporate entity with no real creative vision or particular talent. Gene Roddenberry may have been an insane rear end in a top hat, but he had a legit unique vision that was showing through even on TNG and (despite not being really involved in it) DS9 after he died. It's telling that people generally think a friggin Seth Mcfarlane comedy is considered a better Trek show. They need to just let Simon Pegg run the drat thing. "Beyond" wasn't perfect, but it was a giant leap of a step-up better than the prior two films -- so much that I was looking forward to the fourth installment. Hemsworth and Pine need to get their heads out of their asses and do the dang thing. Trek '09 wasn't that bad but JJ made a lot of wrong decisions to turn it into Star Wars, which it ain't. Ingmar terdman posted:I really didn't realize how much people loved the falcon until the Disney movies. I mean it's cool but drat It's basically a main character. I would cry like a baby if they blew that thing up.
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