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shiksa posted:its one of those things in my mind that, like, of course i know that seal must have had hair at some point but i refuse to really believe it. 1991 
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Two Beans posted:1991 the photons are hitting my eyeballs but my brain is just producing static, sorry
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I rewatched the Scott Hall debut promos the other night and I don’t know if it’s just because it was such a radical shift for the time that don’t hold up, but hoo boy were those promos not good until Nash finally showed up a few weeks later.
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Young Seal was a snack
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It felt like Hall was in a weird place during those promos where he couldn't decide if he was still trying to be Razor Ramon or not
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Jun 5, 2019 16:05
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All the time I watched Razor Ramon I thought Hall was doing some kind of unplacable accent. Then he shows up in WCW and kept doing it. But no, that's just his voice.
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DeathChicken posted:It felt like Hall was in a weird place during those promos where he couldn't decide if he was still trying to be Razor Ramon or not That might have been the point, the promo style in his first appearance is very WWF, let’s pause between every four... or five words for effect, style. He’d also been doing that style for years, it might have just been a force of habit. Once he wipes that style away (right around when Nash, who needed no transition period, shows up), he turns into a good promo and had one of the most consistently over crowd participation catchphrases in the business. Survey says that poo poo was over even when everything else was starting to go cold
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Jun 5, 2019 16:46
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ChrisBTY posted:All the time I watched Razor Ramon I thought Hall was doing some kind of unplacable accent. From what I remember, Hall was always doing a bad Latino impression, even when he went to WCW and started using his real name. I remember reading stories that he looked and sounded very different before becoming Razor Ramon, but I've never actually seen any video of him from back then.
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Jun 5, 2019 17:08
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Here’s Scott Hall working a cowboy gimmick in Puerto Rico in 1991 https://youtube.com/watch?v=sq8HkT7e6dg
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rujasu posted:From what I remember, Hall was always doing a bad Latino impression, even when he went to WCW and started using his real name. I remember reading stories that he looked and sounded very different before becoming Razor Ramon, but I've never actually seen any video of him from back then.  and Razor Ramon was a tweaked version of his og WCW gimmick, the Diamond Stud.
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Jun 5, 2019 17:13
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Scott Hall went from imitating Magnum TA, to imitating Hulk Hogan, to imitating Rick Rude, to imitating Tony Montana. It wasn't until he went back to WCW that he found the role he was born to play: an elderly alcoholic woman.
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afatwhiteloaf posted:Here’s Scott Hall working a cowboy gimmick in Puerto Rico in 1991 https://youtube.com/watch?v=sq8HkT7e6dg Here's Hall teaming up with the worst-named wrestler ever in Japan in 1990. https://vimeo.com/151995383 I wonder whatever happened to THAT guy...
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I’m intrigued by the possibilities of a cross between the Punisher and Andrew Dice Clay. Hickory dickory dock scumbag.
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That's still a better gimmick than The Machine.
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rujasu posted:From what I remember, Hall was always doing a bad Latino impression, even when he went to WCW and started using his real name. I remember reading stories that he looked and sounded very different before becoming Razor Ramon, but I've never actually seen any video of him from back then. I remember when WWE sued to prevent Hall from using the Latino accent. Along with other things.
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please tell me wwe tried to sue over Scott hall's hair or like the concept of using a toothpick
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TheKingslayer posted:I remember when WWE sued to prevent Hall from using the Latino accent. Along with other things. The WWE is bad but this was a good move because it stopped that poo poo.
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Jun 6, 2019 20:59
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shiksa posted:please tell me wwe tried to sue over Scott hall's hair or like the concept of using a toothpick quote:The WWF contends in the lawsuit, "WCW thereafter began systematically copying virtually everything done by the WWF, raiding its talent, pawning off the WWF's reputation, and infringing Titan's rights." The suit establishes that Hall and Nash previously worked for WCW under different and "relatively obscure" personas, but their contracts were not renewed in May 1992 and June 1993 respectively. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDirtsheets/comments/2fu99a/titan_sues_wcw_over_use_of_hall_and_nash_torch_394/
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E&C had a Good Post on the topic in the questions threadEdge & Christian posted:When Nash/Hall first showed up in WCW they weren't named and were definitely playing up their Diesel/Razor personas while talking about invading. By the end of June WWF had filed a lawsuit against WCW for how they were trying to use their 'intellectual property'. Really like the bit about how it's trademark infringement for a wrestler to wear wrestling boots in another company.
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i mean it is a good thing that scott stopped doing the accent, and i always liked the dripping blood gear he wore WAY more than his razor gear anyway. lol that "wrestling boots" was seriously a thing they were claiming as damages, cmon fellas, you're hurting your own case here when you get this crazy.
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Is it true Nash started to insert more of himself in Diesel before he left WWF? I heard that somewhere. Of course his smiling babyface shtick infamously flopped and then he went on to just be himself in WCW which was a massive success, but somebody said there were hints of that at the tail end of his WWF run.
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NikkolasKing posted:Is it true Nash started to insert more of himself in Diesel before he left WWF? I heard that somewhere. Of course his smiling babyface shtick infamously flopped and then he went on to just be himself in WCW which was a massive success, but somebody said there were hints of that at the tail end of his WWF run. He had a period after dropping the belt where was kind of experimenting with the whole cool heel thing
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I can't answer that question, but it's loving hilarious how similar the Roman problem is to Diesel. Smiling, blue contacts, sufferin' succotash. It's all the same bullshit the fans have hated since forever, again stuck on somebody whose personality is decidedly not that.
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Jun 6, 2019 23:50
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Kind of funny to me that they didn’t want him to wear wrestling boots, but he continued to call it a Jacknife Powerbomb for the entirety of his WCW run, which is probably the most viable in-road to saying they were using their IP.
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Did WCW point out that Razor Ramon was already similar to The Diamond Studd?
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Numero6 posted:Did WCW point out that Razor Ramon was already similar to The Diamond Studd?
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Lead Pipe Cinch posted:Kind of funny to me that they didn’t want him to wear wrestling boots, but he continued to call it a Jacknife Powerbomb for the entirety of his WCW run, which is probably the most viable in-road to saying they were using their IP. You start trying to police move names and you're in a world of hurt.
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shiksa posted:i mean it is a good thing that scott stopped doing the accent, and i always liked the dripping blood gear he wore WAY more than his razor gear anyway. I figure a lot of things get thrown into lawsuits that the judge throws out. It’s not like there was a lot to his costume or gimmick. It’s not like the judge said ‘sorry Scott, you gotta wrestle in flip flops now’. I don’t think you can call is ip theft if he keeps wearing a vest, because it’s basic clothing and pretty common in wrestling. but he just can’t wear a vest with a razor blade on it. And just to be safe make sure it’s not purple/green and gold.
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Lead Pipe Cinch posted:Kind of funny to me that they didn’t want him to wear wrestling boots, but he continued to call it a Jacknife Powerbomb for the entirety of his WCW run, which is probably the most viable in-road to saying they were using their IP. I only just now put together that the Jackknife is a reference to trucking because Diesel, and probably not, like, an actual knife gooood daaaaaamn
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LividLiquid posted:I can't answer that question, but it's loving hilarious how similar the Roman problem is to Diesel. It was sorta the same with Lex Luger- the Lex Express probably sounded good on paper but it’s so clearly not him. Though of course in that case they hosed up the booking completely and that overshadowed any other issues.
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Vince, June 1993 Vince: gently caress Hogan. Vince: gently caress, I need a new Hogan. (Looks at Lex) Vince: Holy poo poo another Hogan. Lex: Despite your belief to the contrary Hulk Hogan was a phenomena unto himself and not something you can replicate with any bleached blonde tanned musclehead Vince: Here, body slam this fat guy! Lex: You can't recreate Wrestlemania III. This guy is not Andre, he just never met a carb he didn't eat 2 seconds later. Vince: GET ON THIS BUS!
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And then like most of Lex's career, he ran into a hilarious problem where all they really had to do was book him to win the title and he probably would have been fine. They booked him so the best he ever got on Yoko was a countout win that was treated like he'd won the belt.
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DeathChicken posted:And then like most of Lex's career, he ran into a hilarious problem where all they really had to do was book him to win the title and he probably would have been fine. They booked him so the best he ever got on Yoko was a countout win that was treated like he'd won the belt. They only did that once it became clear that Lex absolutely loathed doing the Lex Express and meeting fans like he was Hogan. He was a natural heel.
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shiksa posted:i mean it is a good thing that scott stopped doing the accent, and i always liked the dripping blood gear he wore WAY more than his razor gear anyway. Razor Ramon and his appearance was actually registered with the trademark office as trade dress it also isn't really the only argument in the entire case the entire case was basically WWF sues WCW over making it seem like WWF is invading WCW, citing the Razor and Diesel characters and appearances as well as all of the WCW company statements on the matter being lies to feign an invasion. This isn't talking about stuff on TV, but in interviews Bischoff said that Hall and Nash weren't WCW employees on non-WCW media interviews. The WCW Hotline numbers pushed the same confusion angle, and iirc at one point said that "It's no surprise that Vince McMahon isn't publicly claiming responsibility to the Hall and Nash appearances, it's not like Russia took credit for the Rosenburgs". (Might not be the exact quote, but uh)
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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:Razor Ramon and his appearance was actually registered with the trademark office as trade dress ahem they're independent contractors
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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:it also isn't really the only argument in the entire case
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Lead Pipe Cinch posted:Kind of funny to me that they didn’t want him to wear wrestling boots, but he continued to call it a Jacknife Powerbomb for the entirety of his WCW run, which is probably the most viable in-road to saying they were using their IP. I thought they called it the Truckstop powerbomb in WCW? I think it was referred to that in games or something. I do remember in his WWF run at the end he was saying he wasn't going to acknowledge fans who didn't have the glove on. Cool heel stuff.
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forkboy84 posted:They only did that once it became clear that Lex absolutely loathed doing the Lex Express and meeting fans like he was Hogan. He was a natural heel. They did it so they could drag the payoff to WrestleMania.
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I feel like the other issue was that they needed a new All-American babyface for the USS Entrepid angle with Hogan out, and All-American Bret Hart didn't quite cut it for some reason.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:I feel like the other issue was that they needed a new All-American babyface for the USS Entrepid angle with Hogan out, and All-American Bret Hart didn't quite cut it for some reason. HACKSAW JIM DUGGAN WAS RIGHT THERE
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