Barkley 2 DEMO is OUT for backers: Maws Approach the Dark Drakers

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mp5: Jan 1, 2005; Stroke of luck!

Seshoho Cian posted:

there's not enough b-ball's here, and the background should be something other than black but you're onto something

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Hitlersaurus Christ: Oct 14, 2005

Uncle Wemus posted:

Platinum games works in a space harrier reference to every goddamn game they do

Give Barkley 2 to Platinum, bhroom!

# ? Jun 10, 2019 22:38

Seshoho Cian: Jul 26, 2010

mp5 posted:

there's not enough b-ball's here, and the background should be something other than black but you're onto something

how bout this

# ? Jun 10, 2019 22:43

WarpDogs: May 1, 2009; I'm just a normal, functioning member of the human race, and there's no way anyone can prove otherwise.

it's beautiful

# ? Jun 10, 2019 22:45

Arrrthritis: May 31, 2007; I don't care if you're a star, the moon, or the whole damn sky, you need to come back down to earth and remember where you came from

Barkley 2 developed by Platinum and directed by Yoko Taro

# ? Jun 10, 2019 22:46

Mr_Moose: May 4, 2004

Gortarius posted:

I think I'll hit the snoozegow and I think there are 2 possibilities when I wake up...

1. Thread has been gassed

2. B2 Demo appears and thread is filled with people yelling about how bad the game is and if this is really what we wasted 6 years on

3. with the demo bhroom has managed to gaslight even more people into thinking this game is coming out and that they'll actually get to see any of the stuff that's been mentioned in this thread.

# ? Jun 10, 2019 22:47

Bisse: Jun 26, 2005

Found what I think is the Space Harrier BBall prototype. Dont have a windows machine around to double check so it may also be virus infested garbageware. Let me know if its the right thing.

ThisIsBBall.exe: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FQDvFoQS3DznrY2Ed9oQhEQD9N04TBdN/view?usp=drivesdk
spaceharrier.gm81: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UECWe5FtSJkUvf4TET78swDvZ240ChIW/view?usp=drivesdk

# ? Jun 10, 2019 22:51

Tunicate: May 15, 2012

Bisse posted:

Found what I think is the Space Harrier BBall prototype. Dont have a windows machine around to double check so it may also be virus infested garbageware. Let me know if its the right thing.

ThisIsBBall.exe: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FQDvFoQS3DznrY2Ed9oQhEQD9N04TBdN/view?usp=drivesdk
spaceharrier.gm81: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UECWe5FtSJkUvf4TET78swDvZ240ChIW/view?usp=drivesdk

I can confirm this is very real

# ? Jun 10, 2019 22:53

Inexplicable Humblebrag: Sep 20, 2003

Bisse posted:

This never happened but we wanted to make a Mode7 cutscene where Hoopz sings among a golden barley field about finding out who he is. The song I think was meant at one point to be a cover of that Sting song with the lyrics changed to �Fields of Barkley�.

I made a Mode7 engine for this and also used it for a Space Harrier B-Ball prototype. My idea was the bball competition quests would all stay the same except when players are on court and ref starts the game you are suddenly taken to this absurd Space Harrier minigame where hoopz runs with a B-Ball through skyscrapers and enemies like T-rexes, helicopters etc and then dunks a hoop at the end. Then back to the court and players go �Wow that was a good match!�. This was before TTX existed.

After TTX and its quest happened I wanted to make a quest where Hoopz scoffs at the lame imposter b-ball (TTX) kids grow up with these days and finally gets a chance to play True B-Ball (Space Harrier). This never went beyond ideas stage because I could never write a quest to completion to save my life. Another addition to the Cool Ideas Landfill.

did you at any point, any of you, even consider any feature at all which actual humans might have one day been able to incorporate into a game

# ? Jun 10, 2019 23:00

pieuvre armement: Feb 27, 2018; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Treebeh posted:

I just wanted to follow news on the sequel to my favorite Basketball JRPG and I ended up reading five pages of discussion on furries and nazis and stuff.

The thread got even worse since this post lol

# ? Jun 10, 2019 23:05

pieuvre armement: Feb 27, 2018; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

did you at any point, any of you, even consider any feature at all which actual humans might have one day been able to incorporate into a game

It doesn't seem like they were too concerned about it which is funnier than the actual writing so I think it's a good project when all is said and done

# ? Jun 10, 2019 23:08

Hitlersaurus Christ: Oct 14, 2005

Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

did you at any point, any of you, even consider any feature at all which actual humans might have one day been able to incorporate into a game

The craziest part is that the impossibly complex stuff seems to have been mostly implemented and it�s the other poo poo that ended up sinking the project .

# ? Jun 10, 2019 23:11

brapbeat_hardcore: Jun 6, 2019

Bisse posted:

Found what I think is the Space Harrier BBall prototype. Dont have a windows machine around to double check so it may also be virus infested garbageware. Let me know if its the right thing.

ThisIsBBall.exe: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FQDvFoQS3DznrY2Ed9oQhEQD9N04TBdN/view?usp=drivesdk
spaceharrier.gm81: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UECWe5FtSJkUvf4TET78swDvZ240ChIW/view?usp=drivesdk

Hot drat playable Barkley 2. Thread delivers! This was awesome, I dug that it had a sort of 3D Worldrunner vibe to it but it also reminded me of the bonus stage in Sonic Blast (I do not recommend playing Sonic Blast but I would play this)

# ? Jun 10, 2019 23:13

FrankieSmileShow: Jun 1, 2011; wuzzathang

Its true what they say about humor not aging well, grew to appreciate that while working on Barkley2.
Even over just the course of working on Barkley2, some of the jokes have probably taken a different tone than they started with, which is I guess a pretty specific risk for humorous games that take forever to make.

If you remember one of the early clips we showed of character creation, there's a bit where you choose your gender. There's like 6 options, and you can pick any combination of em, even all of them at once. Your choice is represented on a little statue that resembles the Venus of Willendorf. So you get to set up your identity as part of an over-elaborate WRPG-style character creation system, alongside answering quiz questions to choose your alignment and picking tarot cards etc.

But time marches on, and in the meantime, reactionary manchildren grow really fond of "attack helicopter" jokes and all of its knee-slapper variations to mock trans and genderqueer people, and never seemed to have really moved on from that joke even years later. Today, that screen could be interpreted as just more of that garbage.
Problems like that are the kind of thing playtesters can really help with, obviously, but we havent been doing much of that. With how its executed, I think its fine. but I'm not the target of that kind of mockery, so its pretty easy for me to say.

# ? Jun 10, 2019 23:14

Bisse: Jun 26, 2005

Hitlersaurus Christ posted:

The craziest part is that the impossibly complex stuff seems to have been mostly implemented and it�s the other poo poo that ended up sinking the project .

This.

Space Harrier prototype: 20 hours tops.
Gunsfusion: Massive
TTX: 1,100 hours
Combat: Maybe 2�3-4000 hours total?
Babby huey dissection minigame: Not that much I think?

Basically making a crazy but haphazard one-off minigame is a lot easier than making a complex balanced system fitting into a larger puzzle.

# ? Jun 10, 2019 23:16

Star Guarded: Feb 10, 2008

FrankieSmileShow posted:

Its true what they say about humor not aging well, grew to appreciate that while working on Barkley2.
Even over just the course of working on Barkley2, some of the jokes have probably taken a different tone than they started with, which is I guess a pretty specific risk for humorous games that take forever to make.

If you remember one of the early clips we showed of character creation, there's a bit where you choose your gender. There's like 6 options, and you can pick any combination of em, even all of them at once. Your choice is represented on a little statue that resembles the Venus of Willendorf. So you get to set up your identity as part of an over-elaborate WRPG-style character creation system, alongside answering quiz questions to choose your alignment and picking tarot cards etc.

But time marches on, and in the meantime, reactionary manchildren grow really fond of "attack helicopter" jokes and all of its knee-slapper variations to mock trans and genderqueer people, and never seemed to have really moved on from that joke even years later. Today, that screen could be interpreted as just more of that garbage.
Problems like that are the kind of thing playtesters can really help with, obviously, but we havent been doing much of that. With how its executed, I think its fine. but I'm not the target of that kind of mockery, so its pretty easy for me to say.

For what it's worth, Diaries of a Spaceport Janitor and Caves of Qud have similar systems related to gender and both developers are progressives. Really just depends what the "joke" is -- in those cases, the joke/worldbuilding comes from "gender is chaotic, confusing, and sometimes very silly," not South Park-esque dolphin poo poo. I don't think you'd have any trouble there. But I agree with you in general.

# ? Jun 10, 2019 23:18

brapbeat_hardcore: Jun 6, 2019

It occurs to me that you could just have made a totally fake RPG system. Make a fun mouse and keyboard shooter, make the gun's utility focused, then had the damage numbers seem to scale based on level but in effect be totally meaningless. That would be funny and also extremely playable. I wanted to get my hands on this for all the weird random bullet patterns and stuff. Most of the actual numbers go up stuff in RPGs is basically negligable anyway, look at Destiny, which only uses it really to gate content. The actual progression part of Destiny is a good perks setup. Since Barkley 2 was a single player game you could have just had bigger numbers being the little reward that tickles the lizard brain.

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# ? Jun 10, 2019 23:21

Seshoho Cian: Jul 26, 2010

FrankieSmileShow posted:

Its true what they say about humor not aging well, grew to appreciate that while working on Barkley2.
Even over just the course of working on Barkley2, some of the jokes have probably taken a different tone than they started with, which is I guess a pretty specific risk for humorous games that take forever to make.

If you remember one of the early clips we showed of character creation, there's a bit where you choose your gender. There's like 6 options, and you can pick any combination of em, even all of them at once. Your choice is represented on a little statue that resembles the Venus of Willendorf. So you get to set up your identity as part of an over-elaborate WRPG-style character creation system, alongside answering quiz questions to choose your alignment and picking tarot cards etc.

But time marches on, and in the meantime, reactionary manchildren grow really fond of "attack helicopter" jokes and all of its knee-slapper variations to mock trans and genderqueer people, and never seemed to have really moved on from that joke even years later. Today, that screen could be interpreted as just more of that garbage.
Problems like that are the kind of thing playtesters can really help with, obviously, but we havent been doing much of that. With how its executed, I think its fine. but I'm not the target of that kind of mockery, so its pretty easy for me to say.

of course i can only speak for myself but as a trans lady i woulda taken my gender of female with a side of cyberdwarf with pride

# ? Jun 10, 2019 23:23

Rotten Red Rod: Mar 5, 2002

Bisse posted:

Basically making a crazy but haphazard one-off minigame is a lot easier than making a complex balanced system fitting into a larger puzzle.

Yeah, see, in the fantastical dream world where Barkley 2 actually happens, now I'd want it to be an exploration game ala Jazzpunk where you wander around, finding funny things, talking to bizarre NPCs, playing weird minigames, and uncovering the story. No combat needed, and the humor takes center stage.

# ? Jun 10, 2019 23:30

Truecon420: Jul 11, 2013; I like to tweet and live my life. Thank you.

Bisse posted:

Found what I think is the Space Harrier BBall prototype. Dont have a windows machine around to double check so it may also be virus infested garbageware. Let me know if its the right thing.

ThisIsBBall.exe: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FQDvFoQS3DznrY2Ed9oQhEQD9N04TBdN/view?usp=drivesdk
spaceharrier.gm81: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UECWe5FtSJkUvf4TET78swDvZ240ChIW/view?usp=drivesdk

Haha if you take too much stamina damage on Bball.exe the green health bar just continues to cover up the word "Stamina"

# ? Jun 10, 2019 23:35

Anonymous Robot: Jun 1, 2007; Lost his leg in Robo War I

It�s easy to say what B2 should�ve been and what was possible in retrospect, but I would�ve been thrilled to have played the run and gun shooter they were planning. I love that type of gameplay and I could see it working just fine in a Barkley game.

# ? Jun 10, 2019 23:46

pieuvre armement: Feb 27, 2018; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I like that it turned out like Event Horizon only instead of a group of quantum physicists who try to achieve faster than light travel and accidentally discover hell it's a group of indie game developers who try to make the ultimate random epic internet humor game and accidentally discover the LD50 for THC

# ? Jun 10, 2019 23:56

Pretty good: Apr 16, 2007

Seshoho Cian posted:

how bout this

I'm looking forward to this gang tag.

# ? Jun 11, 2019 02:25

mp5: Jan 1, 2005; Stroke of luck!

Seshoho Cian posted:

how bout this

I still don't get the ballin vibe but it does look very solid otherwise, well done jammer

# ? Jun 11, 2019 02:33

DACK FAYDEN: Feb 25, 2013; Bear Witness

Gortarius posted:

I think I'll hit the snoozegow and I think there are 2 possibilities when I wake up...

1. Thread has been gassed

2. B2 Demo appears and thread is filled with people yelling about how bad the game is and if this is really what we wasted 6 years on

The word "snoozegow" is killing me, thank you for this post

# ? Jun 11, 2019 03:55

Bongo Bill: Jan 17, 2012

Barlarley

# ? Jun 11, 2019 04:28

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Bbardvark

# ? Jun 11, 2019 05:46

rodbeard: Jul 21, 2005

Bark box

# ? Jun 11, 2019 05:50

Gortarius: Jun 6, 2013; idiot

Oh, nothing has still actually happened.

I guess it's just impossible to put in a few dark drakers to block the areas you don't want to show, click the "Make .exe" button and upload it. There's only been six loving years to do this but hold on, let's not rush things, wouldn't want to look like fools here by rushing things.

This really loving annoys me and I'm extremely salty over this. Reminds me of that time back in the early days when there was some really good momentum for the project, I was making the Character Creation segment from the designs I was being shown and told, and it only needed one or two more days of work from the people involved and it would have been feature complete but then all of a sudden let's just stop working on it for no reason. It's not interesting anymore. We can't possibly muster the energy to design the last 10% of it or have the guy who was making the graphics for it draw up the remaining sprites.

Should've just done it on my own, except then I would've been told to go gently caress myself for making unauthorized work.

Gortarius fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Jun 11, 2019

# ? Jun 11, 2019 06:24

Lurdiak: Feb 26, 2006; I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.

mp5 posted:

I still don't get the ballin vibe but it does look very solid otherwise, well done jammer

# ? Jun 11, 2019 06:27

Jvie: Aug 10, 2012

Gortarius posted:

Should've just done it on my own, except then I would've been told to go gently caress myself for making unauthorized work.

Hearing all this stuff from you and the other ex-devs has been harrowing but also cathartic. Thank you for blowing the lid on this mess.

RIP borkely

# ? Jun 11, 2019 06:39

Hitlersaurus Christ: Oct 14, 2005

Lurdiak posted:

The second one is perfect. Think I�m gonna buy it when I get home from work.

Is cboy still reading this thread? I wouldn�t blame him if not but I�d certainly love to hear the tracks he made.

# ? Jun 11, 2019 06:55

ThisIsACoolGuy: Nov 2, 2010; Shaped like a friend

I've been lurking this thread for a week now and I wanna say that second tag is the better of the two- if you wanted my random dumbass opinion :v:

# ? Jun 11, 2019 07:05

90s Cringe Rock: Nov 29, 2006

Bisse posted:

This.

Space Harrier prototype: 20 hours tops.
Gunsfusion: Massive
TTX: 1,100 hours
Combat: Maybe 2�3-4000 hours total?
Babby huey dissection minigame: Not that much I think?

Basically making a crazy but haphazard one-off minigame is a lot easier than making a complex balanced system fitting into a larger puzzle.

spend less on combat???

# ? Jun 11, 2019 07:09