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JBP posted:Kojima throws out the lines and when the biggest fish bites he reels it in and boats away. Kojima ghosted the poor lady.
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Adaptabullshit posted:According to Stefanie Joosten, the model who was the face for Quiet, Kojima had asked her to play Fragile in DS and then never followed up. Hopefully he just forgot, 'cause that's pretty lovely.
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Jun 11, 2019 08:08
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JBP posted:If you are in the Death Stranding thread because you are interested in Death Stranding, you've done yourself an enormous disservice missing out on MGS2 forward. WaltherFeng posted:Yeah MGS2 is a cultural treasure. Skeletron fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Jun 11, 2019 |
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Jun 11, 2019 08:11
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RatHat posted:Hopefully he just forgot, 'cause that's pretty lovely. This is the guy who made David Hayter re-audition for his roles even after he’s been Snake for over a decade
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Jun 11, 2019 08:25
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David and Stefanie were just not famous enough.
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Jun 11, 2019 08:31
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Skeletron posted:I'd love to pickup where I left off 20 years ago if the PS5 ends up having PS2/PS3 compatibility. I've heard great things but the story reminds me of one of those long-running comic books that's gone in so many different directions over the years any discussion inevitably sounds like utter madness. It absolutely has and it's a joy if you're on the ride. My PS3 broke down and I bought a replacement for a hundred bucks a couple of years ago and all I wanted it for was to play the MGS HD release once a year.
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Jun 11, 2019 08:49
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RatHat posted:Hopefully he just forgot, 'cause that's pretty lovely. He didn’t forget, he’s just a starfucker. This story would make more sense if she said Kojima wanted her to be Mama, since the actress he got for that looks a lot like her.
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Jun 11, 2019 12:16
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RatHat posted:Hopefully he just forgot, 'cause that's pretty lovely. he was ashamed of his words and deeds
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Jun 11, 2019 13:19
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Look Sir Droids posted:He didn’t forget, he’s just a starfucker. Starfucker is 100% going to be either a character name in DS or the name of some spacefaring organisation. You heard it here first.
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Jun 11, 2019 13:33
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I’m okay with it if it’s Star Fuckerman.
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Jun 11, 2019 15:03
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The funny thing about Hayter is that he was a much better Snake than KS imo. I kind of bought Kojima's lame explanation for the switch initially, but after playing the game he was just boring by comparison.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:47
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veni veni veni posted:The funny thing about Hayter is that he was a much better Snake than KS imo. I kind of bought Kojima's lame explanation for the switch initially, but after playing the game he was just boring by comparison. it's kinda neat at the end when Sutherland is almost doing a David Hayter impression
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Jun 12, 2019 00:53
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We're going to continue to see this trend of using every actor you can get your hands on for video game capture for I predict maybe 5 more years before everyone realizes most of them either can't hack it or don't care and it dies down a lot, like the celebrity voice actor trend of the mid-2000s. Also people may start to realize that faces you know from something else are bland faces and one of the best aspects of computer graphics is that you aren't constrained by them like real life. Also you're going to see the widespread use of heavy mocap for a few more years before people start re-realizing that realism is generally a poo poo target, and handcrafted animations generally work better for non-photorealistic art styles. Kojima will never change, though, because he's always desperately wanted to be a movie producer and director and video games are his way of getting as close to that as he can. Give him another 5 years and you'll have to be a A-lister to get cast as an extra in his games.
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Jun 12, 2019 00:59
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yeah games really seem like they are cycling back into getting big name actors like they were around 2006 and it just seems like a waste. I don't think people generally give a poo poo.
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Jun 12, 2019 01:02
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K8.0 posted:Kojima will never change, though, because he's always desperately wanted to be a movie producer and director and video games are his way of getting as close to that as he can. This is a very odd meme considering that Kojima has done more than most people in the industry in terms of using video games as a medium to tell stories that would be impossible in any other medium.
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Jun 12, 2019 01:02
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One of the major themes of Metal Gear Solid 2 is the relationship between player and the character they're controlling. Raiden himself is has played Metal Gear Solid 1, and that effects his relationship with Snake. And it literally ends with Raiden going off to define himself, not only as a person no longer trying to emulate the video game character he idolized, but also by explicitly rejecting the role of a player-controlled character in a video game. I don't know how people could play through that and think "this mother fucker just wants to be making movies" Like, Kojima is just loving around using video games as a medium in unprecedented ways while quietly seething that he's not making Die Hard 7
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Jun 12, 2019 01:08
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At the very least the whole "Kojima just wants to make movies" idea should've been killed when Kojima became friends with Guillermo del Toro and decided to collaborate with him on a video game.
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Jun 12, 2019 01:09
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veni veni veni posted:yeah games really seem like they are cycling back into getting big name actors like they were around 2006 and it just seems like a waste. I don't think people generally give a poo poo. uh, did you completely miss all of the "Keanu Reeves won E3" gushing? many, many people give a poo poo
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Jun 12, 2019 01:28
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There's always going to be a push toward more realism and detail, and we're already well past the point where artists can keep up. So we have to scan faces and do motion-cap, that's not going away. And there will end up being people who are good at acting in golf ball suits, and do it regularly as their job, and so you might see them from game to game. So maybe the fervor over pulling movie stars into video games will die down, but I don't think the idea of actors looking recognizably like themselves in different games is going to go away. We might even end up with the notion of a video game star. It's already kinda happened with Troy Baker and Nolan North -- they don't always disappear into their characters, and have become small-scale celebrities as a result. This will apply even when people are playing fantastical, unrealistic characters -- Thanos is a big purple alien with a scrotum chin, but he still has a lot of Josh Brolin's features and mannerisms.
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friendly 2 da void posted:uh, did you completely miss all of the "Keanu Reeves won E3" gushing? Keanu is huge tho. Everyone- the internet especially- likes him as a human being and a signifier of goodness, not just as an actor. That was a masterstroke on CD Projekt's part, getting him involved. Guys like Reedus or Mikkelson, on the other hand, are actors associated with well liked projects. From a cultural perspective they are in no way comparable to ol Reeves.
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Jun 12, 2019 01:45
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No one's going to buy Cyberpunk because of Keanu. People who weren't previously aware of Cyberpunk might now be aware of it because he's involved, but that's because big-name celebs attaching themselves to games is still a novelty. If it happens a lot then it'll stop being a novelty, and will stop being effective as a marketing gimmick.
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"a signifier of goodness"?
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mysterious frankie posted:Keanu is huge tho. Everyone- the internet especially- likes him as a human being and a signifier of goodness, not just as an actor. That was a masterstroke on CD Projekt's part, getting him involved. I mean, I agree completely but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about whether or not videogames are going to enter a big starfucker phase, and they totally are, because celebrities drive a ton of attention and love and AAA games need the increased noise to stay relevant. Keanu is proof people DO give a poo poo when you pick the right actor. CD Projekt aren't unique marketing geniuses, they're just a little bit smarter and faster on the gun than everyone else. You can expect all the major studios to start dropping big-name mocapped actors (and probably Youtubers and top 40 pop artists, oh god) into games over the next few years. Why is this happening now? It's a combination of increased budgets, increased mainstream acceptance of videogames and gaming culture (celebrities aren't walking away from these offers anymore, we're in the post-Forenite era), and better graphics and mo-cap. You can actually have actors play themselves in games now, and people really do give a poo poo about them. I'm guessing the "Keanu moment" will happen many many times in the future. All of which applies to Kojima and Death Stranding, in kind if not in degree. Obviously Reedus and Mikkelson and del Toro didn't create the same level of buzz (although they created a ton tbqh), but that's because Kojima is more-or-less prototyping the trend. Yesterday it was Kiefer, today it's Keanu, and tomorrow it will be Beyonce. If you want to know exactly where gaming is going next, look at Kojima. Also if you want to know exactly where gaming will never ever go again, look at Kojima.
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Rinkles posted:"a signifier of goodness"? he's mopey and gave people motorcycles once. practically a saint. but seriously, he's enjoying elevated cachet at the moment.
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mysterious frankie posted:he's mopey and gave people motorcycles once. practically a saint. He pops up in a lot of places doing nice things for people. He's extremely rich but seems grounded and people like it. He paid for a woman's excess baggage at the airport one day for instance. His public image is that of a righteous dude.
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Lady Gaga and Ted "Theodore" Logan being involved elevate Cyberpunk above a potentially good Deus Ex knockoff to me
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Jun 12, 2019 02:29
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Keanu seems like a good dude. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tmBJdx7peo
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On the other hand, Cyberpunk will merely be good, while Death Stranding will be memorably odd.
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friendly 2 da void posted:uh, did you completely miss all of the "Keanu Reeves won E3" gushing? Yeah but Keanu Reeves is basically a walking meme now. Would you say that reaction is even remotely representative of other celebrities being in games?
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Jun 12, 2019 02:49
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Keanu Reeves is a one of a kind celebrity, his cult of personality is just.. Different. Tbh I'm not sure who would've possibly been more exciting than him within the realm of accessibility. He's got Bill Murray levels of love.
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Jun 12, 2019 02:54
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A lot of people itt are forgetting that Call of Duty with Kevin Spacey in it
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Look Sir Droids posted:I’m okay with it if it’s Star Fuckerman. 
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acksplode posted:No one's going to buy Cyberpunk because of Keanu. People who weren't previously aware of Cyberpunk might now be aware of it because he's involved, but that's because big-name celebs attaching themselves to games is still a novelty. If it happens a lot then it'll stop being a novelty, and will stop being effective as a marketing gimmick. 'Celebrity is in [X]' will always be mildly effective because the general public will always love celebrities. See: SNL still being profitable despite not being funny for several decades
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Wolfsheim posted:'Celebrity is in [X]' will always be mildly effective because the general public will always love celebrities. See: SNL still being profitable despite not being funny for several decades SNL isn't an action RPG with dozens of hours of gameplay that costs $60, it's some stupid poo poo you put on in the background for a couple hours a week. Low commitment. Keanu is not getting people who otherwise wouldn't be interested in a game like Cyberpunk to buy it. He's getting the attention of gamers who would otherwise be distracted by another video game. That's why they put him on stage at E3. Put it this way: if all Cyberpunk delivers on is Keanu, everyone looking forward to it will be pissed, and probably become cynical about celebs in games. acksplode fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Jun 12, 2019 |
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acksplode posted:SNL isn't an action RPG with dozens of hours of gameplay that costs $60, it's some stupid poo poo you put on in the background for a couple hours a week. Low commitment. Keanu is not getting people who otherwise wouldn't be interested in a game like Cyberpunk to buy it. He's getting the attention of gamers who would otherwise be distracted by another video game. That's why they put him on stage at E3. Put it this way: if all Cyberpunk delivers on is Keanu, everyone looking forward to it will be pissed, and probably become cynical about celebs in games. It didnt happen when Patrick Stewart and Liam Neeson did it
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Wolfsheim posted:It didnt happen when Patrick Stewart and Liam Neeson did it I don't know what you're referring to, which I guess speaks to the extreme mildness of what slapping a celeb on the box can do for a game's brand awareness.
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acksplode posted:I don't know what you're referring to, which I guess speaks to the extreme mildness of what slapping a celeb on the box can do for a game's brand awareness. Bethesda (Oblivion and FO3). According to what CDPR told Game Informer, Keanu has a big role and is present throughout the game.
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Oh yeah, those are not comparable situations. The trend we're talking about here is a celeb's complete likeness being put into a game, not just a film actor doing VA. Hell, I completed FO3 and forgot Liam Neeson was in it.
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Jun 12, 2019 07:47
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You idiots, you absolute clowns... 50 Cent pioneered this poo poo.
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Didn't they try to put Bruce Willis in a PS1 game? I remember the EGM cover story, but I can't remember if that actually got released, or was cancelled, or ended up becoming something totally different.
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