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Yeah, Gyro's death feels way worse than any to me in JoJo if only for how much you know it devastates Johnny. Bruno, Caesar and Kakyoin dying are bummers, but Giorno, Joseph and Jotaro knew them for like, not even two months, and they all have other people in their lives too. Johnny and Gyro really feel like they only have each other, and you can buy that they've become great friends over the course of the story. Still tho, I don't think I'd change it, it's so important. Gyro is, on paper, the hero of the Steel Ball Run. He's fighting to save a sick kid, and has a family legacy to live up too, meanwhile Johnny is here for totally selfish reasons. Johnny isn't trying to become a better person, he's trying to remove a punishment that he was dealt (justly or unjustly however you read it). But Gyro's death and final words is what propels Johnny into the proverbial saddle and take the reigns as the Hero of this story, shown in how his final battle is a classic JoJo vs DIO battle.
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Gyro dies as a direct consequence of walking back on his redpilled True Man's World bullshit and putting himself at risk to save Lucy. Everything else aside I like his failure against Valentine comes from deciding being a good person is more important than ABSOLUTE DETERMINATION even though the stakes in his case are literally fatal.
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Jun 10, 2019 21:42
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I can deal with Gyro dying, but the kid he was trying to save dying of a cold was just unnecessary.
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Jun 10, 2019 22:06
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TheLoneStar posted:I can deal with Gyro dying, but the kid he was trying to save dying of a cold was just unnecessary. Honestly, he hadn't been trying to save that kid for at least half of the race by that point; he wasn't even all that concerned with winning the race anymore because stopping Valentine was self-evidently much more important. My impression was that this ridiculously pointless death was a self-ironic tying-up of a dangling plot thread left from the first third of SBR, which blatantly had a different plot than the last two thirds.
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Jun 10, 2019 22:14
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BaDandy posted:I always read that scene as "This happens in American prisons," like all of the other stuff that was establishing what Green Dolphin Prison was like. And it absolutely does happen in U.S. prisons, all the time. I thought the whole joke was "Jolyne is naive" since we see that the prison also has men in it. The guard just gave some excuse for why they were being searched in the same room.
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Jun 10, 2019 23:20
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Momomo posted:I thought the whole joke was "Jolyne is naive" since we see that the prison also has men in it. The guard just gave some excuse for why they were being searched in the same room. the men's prison is a separate prison on the same island i thought
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Jun 10, 2019 23:28
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multijoe posted:I would really like to hear Araki try and explain what was up with all the elves and goblins in Part 6. Even for a series called JoJo's Bizzare Adventure that was such a baffling artistic choice. Those elves and goblins are just normal American citizens.
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Jun 10, 2019 23:28
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Hemingway To Go! posted:I just finished part 7. I see why people like part 7 and Johnny Joestar in particular. Guess I had a couple issues with the ending, though. Mainly every rider who had something at stake for the corpse chase or horse race is dead except Johnny so it turns out the race outcome did not matter. Also everything that happens to Lucy or around Lucy is completely hosed, her arc is stranger and more unpleasant than Weather Report's rainbow snail arc. But when it's the Johnny and Gyro show it is extremely strong. Part 8 is good but extremely bizarre.
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Jun 10, 2019 23:32
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the real biggest mystery of part 6 is how emporio is decked out in cubs gear despite living in a prison in florida his entire life. now that i think about it i wonder if it's an allusion to the chicago fire?
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Jun 10, 2019 23:40
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It's a Cubs uniform, he almost certainly found it in the trash can he travels in.
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Jun 10, 2019 23:46
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Part 8 is good. Paisley Park is a really cool stand and Soft & Wet is a really good song.
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Jun 10, 2019 23:49
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if jojo parts were decided on cool the stands looked, soft and wet, paisley park and king nothing would make part 8 phenomenal
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Jun 10, 2019 23:55
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Nut King Call is an awesome stand even if it is attached to Joshu who I love after Milagro Man
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Jun 11, 2019 00:07
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I like JoJolion overall, but at the same time I'm kind of ready for it to just end already. Araki pretty blatantly rewrote where the main story was going to go at least once, and it feels like the endgame has been around the corner for at least two or three years, but it just never happens. And this is usually because some Rock Human or other similar figure gets introduced right out of nowhere to stand in the protagonists' way. Not to mention Josuke has just kind of become another Giorno.
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Didn't Koichi get shot in the neck by the stand arrow? And lived? E: with josuke helping him of course. Ee: meaning that neck and arrow is probably fatal. Zeruel fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Jun 11, 2019 |
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Jun 11, 2019 00:24
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it doesn't matter where you get shot by the arrow, it only matters if you can support having a stand which the arrow jumpstarts. if you can't then you will die, barring loopholes like koichi where he gets healed and later develops his stand i don't think we ever have anyone just get fuckin domed in the brain by the arrow but maybe presumably they'd be fine as long as they can hold a stand because it usually seems like a wound isn't a problem as long as they have enough willpower to pull through.
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Jun 11, 2019 00:30
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koichi was some random, weak-willed kid with no hidden depths when he got shot. jotaro effectively bypassed the arrow selection process for koichi, which means he probably could do it for any living thing.
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Jun 11, 2019 00:37
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i like to imagine that if koichi was unworthy of a stand echoes would have just stayed an egg
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Jun 11, 2019 01:09
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Crazy Diamond's ability to heal people and restore objects is just a side effect of its true ability: to impose character development.
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Jun 11, 2019 01:42
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somepartsareme posted:the men's prison is a separate prison on the same island i thought Yeah, that's where Annasui initially was. That doesn't stop Jolyne from being naive, but showing a transgender man in a women's prison is way less convoluted than a guy giving such a specific explanation just to gently caress with someone. Araki does a ton of research about everything he writes and probably stuck it in as a weird/interesting fact.
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Jun 11, 2019 03:18
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california king bed is the stupidest stand in the entire series so far, both in terms of design and powers
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Jun 11, 2019 05:36
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it's a rihanna song so it rules actually
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Hemingway To Go! posted:california king bed is the stupidest stand in the entire series so far, both in terms of design and powers California King Bed's design was primarily chosen because Araki wanted to make it "cute and fluffy", since it belonged to a little girl.[4] 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7oFaOYJGQU
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Jun 11, 2019 11:53
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TheLoneStar posted:I can deal with Gyro dying, but the kid he was trying to save dying of a cold was just unnecessary. I remember feeling like that played into the themes the part was going for when I read it, although I can't remember why I thought that now.
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TheLoneStar posted:I like JoJolion overall, but at the same time I'm kind of ready for it to just end already. Araki pretty blatantly rewrote where the main story was going to go at least once, and it feels like the endgame has been around the corner for at least two or three years, but it just never happens. And this is usually because some Rock Human or other similar figure gets introduced right out of nowhere to stand in the protagonists' way. Not to mention Josuke has just kind of become another Giorno. part 8's main flaw is that it's a mystery story and (good)mysteries require super consistent and laid-out plotting which does not work with araki's style at all Josuke still beats Giorno because his power is still consistent despite how bonkers busted it is unlike giorno's "just does whatever"
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Jun 11, 2019 15:56
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Part 8 will live or die, depending on whether ice motorcycle maid appears again and does awesome stuff
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Part 6 and 8 for me share the same issue in that Araki clearly thought "I'm going to step out of my comfort zone and do something different!" and as time goes on reverts back to what he's used to, has to bail or isn't able to pull some ideas off, and generally flounders. For 8 specifically, considering that all parts single out the villain asap (bar Part 4 which hones in on him halfway through) the fact that Jojolion still kinda doesn't have a clear "this is the badman gogetem" just makes every chapter feel unfocused towards anything at all. e: When it's done and over it'll probably be better in retrospect but the month to month read is fuckin weird.
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Yinlock posted:Josuke still beats Giorno because his power is still consistent despite how bonkers busted it is unlike giorno's "just does whatever"
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Gappy's determination to save Holly like thirty chapters ago because she's the only connection he has to he was as a person was the last time I really liked him, as it played into the deep loneliness he felt as an amnesiac in the very beginning, but he really feels completely muted of his original weirdo characteristics. Combined with Soft & Wet just doing whatever, I really don't care about him too much
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Someone hit a bingo in the anime threadVookatos posted:I've watched all the openings and endings, because they loving rule, and noticed something in the latest ending. Spoilering because if I'm right, it's actually kinda huge. I'm too lazy to verify this, but I'm pretty sure new stands were added from bottom to top every time we met them since the ending was introduced. Now, on the second part of the pillar, we first see Fugo, and then Abbacchio's stands, followed by Narancia and Bruno. Only then we see King Crimson weirly in the middle of all this, not in some cool or important part of the tower, followed by Trish, Mista, and finally Giorno. So, uh... Is this the order characters loving die (or in case with Fugo, leave)? I mean, there were some foreshadowing moments in endings before. Makes sense why King Krimson is in the middle of all the bullshit and not more prominent, but still fairly close to the top. If that's intentional in the ending then I didn't even notice.
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it's definitely intentional and i think people were picking up on it as soon as the ED started airing. they've done that sort of thing multiple times before in the past.
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Szmitten posted:Part 6 and 8 for me share the same issue in that Araki clearly thought "I'm going to step out of my comfort zone and do something different!" and as time goes on reverts back to what he's used to, has to bail or isn't able to pull some ideas off, and generally flounders. I think the kicker here is Damo who would've been an a+ big villain but got killed immediately and part 8 has been spinning it's wheels ever since also a lot of part 8's fights are just "josuke and/or yasuho get chased by some automatic stand"
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i like automatic stands
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One complaint I have about part 8 is that there seem to be a lot of running fights, where the main crew is being chased or is chasing someone. Chase sequences are to be expected in a mystery story I guess but I just want them to catch this 89(?) year old man already!
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hatty posted:One complaint I have about part 8 is that there seem to be a lot of running fights, where the main crew is being chased or is chasing someone. Chase sequences are to be expected in a mystery story I guess but I just want them to catch this 89(?) year old man already! ore wa Chase You
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I don't think the story has been spinning its wheels ever since Josuke's amnesia got cleared up, but it definitely made Josuke less interesting. Maybe that maybe-maybe-not-love triangle popping up is an attempt to get him more involved again while the finale is ramping up. However, I think Jobin has gotten MUCH more interesting ever since then. I'm kinda hoping he turns out to be the big bad now, despite the obvious looming shadow of Kaato; he's kinda unique as far as JoJo antagonists go. He's menacing, yet kind of a whiny pampered fuckhead. He's really loving scared of Josuke. He's pathetic, yet weirdly ambitous. I have a feeling there's some major crazy loving poo poo coming up with this guy. Also, I gotta know what's up with this 89-year old guy, I mean can you believe this guy is 89 years old
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Jun 11, 2019 22:15
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this guy's age doesn't make sense i have trouble believing he's an 89 year old man
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Jun 11, 2019 23:32
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The 89 year old man is the big bad.
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how can someone be 89 years old, that's not a real number
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