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Hellblazer187 posted:Has this been talked about before - does anyone have any idea how many viewers ROH gets in an average week? I assume somewhere in between Impacts 20k and Raw's 2 million. A few years ago it was in the range of 400,000. No one knows right now.
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I was thinking about picking up tickets to Summer Supercard but both Progress and Shimmer are running shoes that week so lmao
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Jun 14, 2019 02:22
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So ROH is holding a PPV in Baltimore in 2 weeks. https://www1.ticketmaster.com/ring-of-honor-wrestling/event/1500568FF7516F24 Oh dear...
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Jun 14, 2019 20:33
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I’m tempted to go to that lol seeing the prices
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Jun 14, 2019 23:17
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https://twitter.com/silentpoisin/status/1139602963754864642?s=21
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Jun 15, 2019 02:04
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#Buzz
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Jun 15, 2019 02:18
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Per Voices of Wrestling, Juice is done with the company, he’s one of many New Japan talent who no longer like working there, and he’s not booked going forward
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Jun 15, 2019 04:58
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Crossposting from the NJPW thread, here's the VOW audio I transcribedquote:It appears that Juice Robinson is done with Ring of Honor. You thought I was gonna say New Japan, but I swerved you. It appears as though Juice Robinson will no longer be working with ROH moving forward, he doesn't want to work for ROH moving forward, but we'll see how it all shakes out. But Juice was not happy working for ROH, and he's not booked upcoming for ROH, and it looks like he's done.
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Jun 15, 2019 05:00
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Sad that these guys can't handle a little buzz.
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Jun 15, 2019 05:00
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you rear end in a top hat chris i assumed you just posted in the wrong thread
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Jun 15, 2019 05:24
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It's fine Lifeblood didn't need him anyway
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Jun 15, 2019 05:38
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Just bring in Paul London to sub, he’s got experience wearing dumb rear end top hats
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Jun 15, 2019 05:39
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Worked shoot with Enzo and Cass just too much buzz for New Japan SMH
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Jun 15, 2019 06:29
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Jun 15, 2019 13:41
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Sucks but ROH has suffered from an absolute decimation of their talent through wwe and aew and then just being so 3rd rate in their ROH/NJPW MSG show they're riding the wave of no momentum and you don't really know where the next star is going to come from.
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Jun 15, 2019 15:43
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That MSG show couldn't have gone worse for ROH
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Jun 15, 2019 15:58
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From what I have seen online the Bully Ray stuff has pissed a lot of people off too. RoH is in trouble right now. They have made a ton of mistakes. I am kind of surprised they didn’t use the leaving talent to help elevate stuff they were going forward with, like Matt Taven. Instead they had that entire build in the mid to lower card with little build outside of their tv which few watch. So when it came about time to crown him champion which they actually did in a timely manor no one cared because the perception from the fan base was he is a mid card geek. I hope that this causes Sinclair to clean house. All of the front office there needs to get replaced. They need to bring in fresh people with new ideas. With what was said on the Observer about NJPW talent not wanting to work there anymore they seemed to have hosed up that golden goose as well.
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Jun 15, 2019 16:06
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The Croc posted:Sucks but ROH has suffered from an absolute decimation of their talent through wwe and aew Did they really, though? They lost the same people NJPW lost in the Bucks and Cody. Who else was an ROH mainstay who left for AEW? This is a legit question as I don't follow ROH outside of SA, but it didn't feel like a big talent raid from AEW. WWE I could see but I also feel like that's always happening year after year and not like they just signed away 80% of the roster in the past month.
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Jun 15, 2019 16:12
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Cody was a way bigger draw in ROH than he was in Japan
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Jun 15, 2019 16:18
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Ganso Bomb posted:Did they really, though? They lost the same people NJPW lost in the Bucks and Cody. Who else was an ROH mainstay who left for AEW? WWE i'd put as the main culprit but thats been like so many guys for years and years. AEW really is just bucks, cody and omega but that's still a good chunk of tickets. There booking is really not helping and ultimately they're in the same boat as WWE creatively i would say based on the msg show in that they're not building up anything interesting people will pay for. I actually am the same as you in that i don't follow ROH closely so maybe i am off base on this but that's just from reading and just an opinion and seeing their segments absolutely bomb as MSG.
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Jun 15, 2019 16:19
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Bucks and Cody were the reasons you tuned into ROH. Scurll and Taven both have stepped up hugely but both those guys die if you don't have them in compelling storylines. They aren't have great matches for the gently caress of it guys, they need context for them to work with.
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Jun 15, 2019 16:22
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Ganso Bomb posted:Did they really, though? They lost the same people NJPW lost in the Bucks and Cody. Who else was an ROH mainstay who left for AEW? Chris Daniels is probably the biggest non-Elite talent loss to AEW
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Jun 15, 2019 16:32
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I Before E posted:Chris Daniels is probably the biggest non-Elite talent loss to AEW The backstage role he could play alone was probably a huge hit to ROH.
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Jun 15, 2019 16:48
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The talent and brains currently in ROH and Impact could probably make for a very viable 3rd place fed. But with two feds fighting for third it doesn't seem like it will work. They are both kind of jokes right now.
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Jun 15, 2019 16:50
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I Before E posted:Chris Daniels is probably the biggest non-Elite talent loss to AEW Ohhh I completely forgot about SCU being in ROH. Losing Daniels has to be a big loss on a lot of levels.
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Jun 15, 2019 16:52
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The big major problem Sinclair ROH has and will always have is that Sinclair sees it as filler programming and doesnt want to invest money. Which is why over the last 8 years you have so much talent going and I dont think all of them would of left if they got good offers. Add in that Delirious is still booking despite being mostly cold and welp
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Jun 15, 2019 16:56
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I Before E posted:Chris Daniels is probably the biggest non-Elite talent loss to AEW I will agree to that. Daniels and Kazarian were long time vets that could be slotted into any place on the card and have the credibility to be able to move into a main event without anyone questioning it. The only guy they have left now that can do that is Lethal and to a lesser extent the Briscoes.
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Jun 15, 2019 16:56
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Being clearly behind AEW is hurting ROH more than losing the talent is. They've gone from being a bigger than an indy to just an indy. It's like how TNA fell apart when they went from being "Hey, maybe we can compete with WWE sometime!" to "Okay, we tried fighting WWE and got our poo poo pushing in hilariously."
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Jun 15, 2019 17:02
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I think it was rovert on Twitter, but I also believe they poached anyone who was worthwhile from backstage as well, like ring crew and stage manager type roles.
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Jun 15, 2019 17:02
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SatoshiMiwa posted:The big major problem Sinclair ROH has and will always have is that Sinclair sees it as filler programming and doesnt want to invest money. Which is why over the last 8 years you have so much talent going and I dont think all of them would of left if they got good offers. Add in that Delirious is still booking despite being mostly cold and welp They invested a ton of money in talent this winter. The problem isn't the money investment in terms of declining interest.
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Ganso Bomb posted:Did they really, though? They lost the same people NJPW lost in the Bucks and Cody. Who else was an ROH mainstay who left for AEW? Kazarian and Daniels were big losses too, basically you lost their biggest singles draw in Cody and their 2 of 3 of their biggest tag team draws in the Bucks and Addiction, plus upcoming talent like Page and Skye. up until 2013/2014 while they were losing talent to WWE, but they were still able to replace it. Then they decided to piss off everyone on the indies because of their exclusivity deals trying to kill FloSlam which left people deciding that they would rather go the WWN/Evolve route to get into NXT So for a while they staunched everything by using New Japan and CMLL talent but still couldnt get anyone really over And then after Cole and reDragon left for NXT, the biggest draws on papaer left were the Briscoes, Bullet Club Elite, Addiction, Jay Lethal, and Dalton Castle. Even then Lethals first title run killed him and hes never recovered, and ROH badly missed the window for Dalton as champion, being bogged down in non ending feuds and finally giving it to him just as his body breaks down and he has to miss tours as champion due to back issues. So when AEW left, theres basically been nothing great left in ROH, and its all horribly flat.
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Jun 15, 2019 17:07
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If you had ROH's brand name and TV deal, their best talents, Don Callis and Scott D'Amore as bookers, and a few key talents from Impact you'd really have a pretty killer fed. ROH's big crime is being boring, which seems it should be easier to recover from than being cringey bad.
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Jun 15, 2019 17:44
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Bring back Black Machismo in some form or another. At least get Lethal to cut some insane rear end promos so people will YouTube or gif that stuff. Lethal vs Rush should be absolutely a marquee match up of they get head turning promos from both guys. Cut close to the bone for the fans. Bring the current Mexico US relations into play.
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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:
I didn't know their exclusivity deals were around trying to kill FloSlam, that's really interesting. Their upper mid card and main event took such a huge hit with the losses of Cole, Roddy and reDRagon. That was also about the time War Machine started working mostly in Japan. They had to lean heavily on SCU and the Elite to bolster the top of their card.
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Jun 15, 2019 18:08
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Losing the Elite and SCU is just sort of the final straw, I haven't been following ROH that closely so I may be missing some people still available that they could be pushing but out of the past five years of PPVs this is who they've had main event: People Still Available to ROH Briscoes Jay Lethal Dalton Castle Marty Scurll Colt Cabana Motor City Machine Guns Michael Elgin(?) New Japan Guest Stars Okada Sanada Suzuki Jay White People No Longer Available AJ Styles Bobby Fish Kyle O'Reilly Adam Cole Roderick Strong Young Bucks Tomasso Ciampa War Machine Gallows & Anderson Daniels & Kazarian Hardy Boyz Cody Kenny Omega The really rough thing for ROH (in addition to the cumulative effect of losing all the people listed above) is that at least in the past when they lost people to other promotions, they were also the natural landing point (or at least stopover) for guys like Joe, Styles, Aries, Daniels, the Hardys, Hero, etc. etc. when they left TNA or WWE/developmental. I can't imagine any of the people listed above (or anyone else on their way out of WWE or New Japan or wherever) deciding to come to ROH.
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Jun 15, 2019 18:10
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Just bring back Gabe, ROH.
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Jun 15, 2019 18:13
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Gabe is a cop now, he’d love it at Sinclair
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Jun 15, 2019 18:18
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Evolve isn't setting the world on the fire either booking wise
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Jun 15, 2019 18:19
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Gabe is too busy kissing Hunter's boots to give a poo poo about ROH again
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From what I have heard Gabe has been told that he will be a main player when Vince dies/retires. I am not sure if that means he takes over developmental from Paul or he is a part of the main booking/creative. RoH really just needs to get shaken up badly. They have talent but the booking has been impossible to get anyone over. Perfect example is Flip Gordon. If that guy wasn’t on BTE and was able to showcase himself he would be another of 25 guys who are generic CAW. And somehow they even managed to squander that by having him feud with Bully for no apparent reason that cooled him off significantly. They should have used Jay to build up guys that they are looking to build up. You could do the same to a lesser extent with Dalton. Get 3-4 guys looking and feeling credible then elevate them. They have had 6+ months to plan and execute this in some form and honestly it feels like the same promotion with all of the Elite and SCU matches ripped out of the cards.
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