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Solumin
Jan 11, 2013

Rinkles posted:

What? Where'd you hear that?

No hovering or double jumps, though, right?

The Amara and Moze gameplay videos showed them slamming into the ground. Not quite butt slams, but similar.

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Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Yeah those are lunge action skills, I believe. Thought you meant a universal movement ability.

watho
Aug 2, 2013


The real world will, again tomorrow, function and run without me.

They definitely weren’t action skills, moze’s is a mech

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Everyone has 3 action skills now.

watho
Aug 2, 2013


The real world will, again tomorrow, function and run without me.

Nope, moze has one action skill that you can select 2 of 6 weapons for, amara has like 8 different you can pick from (but they’re mostly variations of 3 types) and we have no idea how FL4K is going to work

Ultimate Mango
Jan 18, 2005

watho posted:

Nope, moze has one action skill that you can select 2 of 6 weapons for, amara has like 8 different you can pick from (but they’re mostly variations of 3 types) and we have no idea how FL4K is going to work

Summon one of three pets.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

thebardyspoon posted:

In the moze gameplay videos there are bits where she jumps into the air and does like a falling melee attack with a charge up and a big impact. I assume it's a new thing cause it looks pretty different to the butt stomp.

That's a special ability for her though. Not everyone gets to do it. It was pretty clearly inspired by the TPS butt slams though.

Solumin
Jan 11, 2013

Ultimate Mango posted:

Summon one of three pets.

I hope it's summoning all three pets, or that's going to be lackluster.

I'm torn, I'm drawn to FL4K aesthetically but I'm not usually a fan of pet classes.

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."
I think the relationship between the new classes and their 3 action skills is different. Zane can take 2 at a time, one replacing his grenade, separate cooldowns. I think Amara just chooses one? Moze always has her Mech but chooses it's equipment through action skill selection. We've not seen enough FL4K to know how he works, but trailers show him with all 3 pets at once.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

watho posted:

Nope, moze has one action skill that you can select 2 of 6 weapons for, amara has like 8 different you can pick from (but they’re mostly variations of 3 types) and we have no idea how FL4K is going to work

So how do you activate moze's jump/lunge?

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
IIRC there was nothing in Moze's skill tree that sounded remotely like that. I thought it was just a butt slam and didn't think it was unique to her.

watho
Aug 2, 2013


The real world will, again tomorrow, function and run without me.

it seems to be something every character can do if they fall from a great enough height

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Well that's cool then.

Fenn the Fool!
Oct 24, 2006
woohoo
IIRC the only thing they've said about relics in 3 is that they'll give you new movement abilities. I have to assume that means we'll see low gravity and/double jumps in there.

Mailer
Nov 4, 2009

Have you accepted The Void as your lord and savior?
I'm going to get railroaded into the xbone version of this before later purchasing on PC. Did anyone ever work out if the handsome collection on xbone actually supported kb/mouse?

hifi posted:

I thought 2 was worse than the 1 remaster and maybe equal with my memory of TPS. There's something about the weapon drop rates, enemy HP, and plain rarity weapon damage output that makes you never really feel powerful.

I always figured the later stuff (OP levels, raid bosses, etc) were pretty much designed with someone having a save editor in mind. The chance that you'll get a good version of anything is so ridiculously small that I wouldn't bother with any endgame/post-game content without cheating up the gear needed. Then you need to do it eight more times for OP levels. Borderlands is not a play-for-2000-hours game.

Greenplastic
Oct 24, 2005

Miao, miao!

Mailer posted:

I always figured the later stuff (OP levels, raid bosses, etc) were pretty much designed with someone having a save editor in mind.

RIP consoles (me).

I guess that's why I ignored the OP levels, couldn't bother re-farming everything and the balance feels pretty good for me at 72, including being able to kill a good bunch of the raid bosses solo with either Salvador or Zer0

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
don't know what they did with railers in the community patch, but they now kick rear end.

thebardyspoon
Jun 30, 2005
I think the late game is just quite poorly balanced cause most people won't bother getting that far and the people that do are probably mostly fine with it being gently caress you levels of hard/bullshit, some of them seem to actively love it even for some reason.

AkumaHokoru
Jul 20, 2007

thebardyspoon posted:

I think the late game is just quite poorly balanced cause most people won't bother getting that far and the people that do are probably mostly fine with it being gently caress you levels of hard/bullshit, some of them seem to actively love it even for some reason.

its because once you get gear for that level its fine or at least much less of a hassle. the OP levels are straight multipliers for everything both your drops and enemy values.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Is there a good reason why Gearbox never added the newer pearls to the world drop loot pool? (They're tubby only)

watho
Aug 2, 2013


The real world will, again tomorrow, function and run without me.

There really isn’t

Numlock
May 19, 2007

The simplest seppo on the forums
Has Gearbox mentioned anything about cross platform play?

Pylons
Mar 16, 2009

Numlock posted:

Has Gearbox mentioned anything about cross platform play?

Nothing official, but I wouldn't bet against it. Epic has said they want to make the platform that Fortnite's cross-play runs on available to other developers.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
I have a feeling Epic won't allow crossplay with Steam users.

Pylons
Mar 16, 2009

OhFunny posted:

I have a feeling Epic won't allow crossplay with Steam users.

That'd be kind of a dumb move if they didn't, to be honest. They'd be shooting away any potential goodwill they get for enabling crossplay and they'd be a marked disadvantage considering how co-op focused Borderlands is and how much smaller their userbase is compared to Steam. For what it's worth, too, they've said that they would.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Pylons posted:

That'd be kind of a dumb move if they didn't, to be honest. They'd be shooting away any potential goodwill they get for enabling crossplay and they'd be a marked disadvantage considering how co-op focused Borderlands is and how much smaller their userbase is compared to Steam. For what it's worth, too, they've said that they would.

On the other hand, I can see them doing it, but ineffectively.

Numlock
May 19, 2007

The simplest seppo on the forums
Well I meant between consoles and PC.

Are there really people who want to play Borderlands 3 but will wait 6 months for it to get to steam?

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky
Yupp.

Martout
Aug 8, 2007

None so deprived

Numlock posted:

Well I meant between consoles and PC.

Are there really people who want to play Borderlands 3 but will wait 6 months for it to get to steam?

this in large part depends on how launch goes and what the word on the game is I think

if it's got potential but in need of fixes and maybe a DLC to shore up the shortcomings I'll wait for sure

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Numlock posted:

Well I meant between consoles and PC.

Are there really people who want to play Borderlands 3 but will wait 6 months for it to get to steam?

Hi.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Really it's this:

Martout posted:

this in large part depends on how launch goes and what the word on the game is I think

if it's got potential but in need of fixes and maybe a DLC to shore up the shortcomings I'll wait for sure

Solumin
Jan 11, 2013
BL2 was a hot mess on release. I don't really have a problem waiting 6 months for it to be on steam, but that's going to be tempered by my friends deciding to get it on Epic or not.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Numlock posted:

Well I meant between consoles and PC.

Are there really people who want to play Borderlands 3 but will wait 6 months for it to get to steam?

Oh yes

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

There's a lot of people who hate epic so much that steam starts looking good again

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!

Pylons posted:

Nothing official, but I wouldn't bet against it. Epic has said they want to make the platform that Fortnite's cross-play runs on available to other developers.

Oh boy I can't wait for Xbox and PC crossplay but Sony still sitting in the corner refusing to play like a dumb baby.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost
Pretty sure that cross-platform play would involve the approval of both Sony and MS and there is less than zero chance of them agreeing to that.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


FoolyCharged posted:

There's a lot of people who hate epic so much that steam starts looking good again

Steam is fine, but it's also because they had enough time to work out all the drat bugs.

Presto
Nov 22, 2002

Keep calm and Harry on.

FoolyCharged posted:

There's a lot of people who hate epic so much that steam starts looking good again

It's not that I hate Epic. It's that I don't need Yet Another Game Store Thing.

On another note I discovered by accident last night that the B0r3 glitch works on Hector.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

Elephant Ambush posted:

Pretty sure that cross-platform play would involve the approval of both Sony and MS and there is less than zero chance of them agreeing to that.

Well, one of them anyway.

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FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

iospace posted:

Steam is fine, but it's also because they had enough time to work out all the drat bugs.

Steam regularly offers me flat out porn with no filter to stop it that I know of(let alone this being the default if there is one). It's impressively bad.

And yet epic is somehow worse. It's baffling, but they managed to pull it off.

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