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Bobby Digital posted:Is this the thread for general plane chat? I finally get to fly on the upper deck of a 747 and I am excited It's a bucket list item for me as well, but I've heard you feel the turns more because you're higher above the center of gravity.
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Bobby Digital posted:Is this the thread for general plane chat? I finally get to fly on the upper deck of a 747 and I am excited It is, welcome friend Was it a -400 or a 8i?
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Jun 20, 2019 17:14
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I got to ride on both in the back via Lufthansa. The 8i was quieter but DLH had nicer IFE on the 400.
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Jun 20, 2019 17:30
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Nebakenezzer posted:It is, welcome friend It’s a 400 on BA, Heathrow to Riyadh. Edit: the client is paying for it (lol at me affording San Diego to Riyadh in business class) Bobby Digital fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Jun 20, 2019 |
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Jun 20, 2019 17:44
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hobbesmaster posted:Reading between the lines he left his cell radio on, it was a weak attempt to join the tower that then failed. It probably didn’t get a bearer for data or would’ve been able to make calls at that altitude. Because of the disappearance they scoured the logs and found that connection attempt. Not if its circuit breakers are pulled. But yeah, the F/O probably kept his phone on at all times, which I guess he's not supposed to. Or perhaps he switched it on shortly after the takeover, but was incapacitated anyway by the time it connected. If it teaches us anything so far, it's that like so many other things in recent times, modern airline safety is an ultra-thin veneer of security on top of an already thin layer of civilization. We take it for granted, but it takes very little weak spots or pressure points to make cracks appear.
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Jun 20, 2019 18:45
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Bobby Digital posted:It’s a 400 on BA, Heathrow to Riyadh. Nice! It seems like four engine airliners are on their way out, so treasure that. Also the author who wrote the MH370 article wrote about another accident in 2009. It seems also quite good if you can put aside all the "OH! THE FOOLISHNESS OF MAN!" caterwauling about private jets
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Jun 20, 2019 18:46
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If the copilot's phone was on and made a connection to a tower, why didn't any of the 300 other cell phones on the plane also connect? no way you're telling me that Malaysian is the one airline in the world where every passenger always puts their phone in airplane mode every time. e: I am not saying this was a conspiracy or anything, I'm genuinely curious about why they only got a single phone ping and it happened to be the first officer's
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Jun 20, 2019 18:59
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Sagebrush posted:If the copilot's phone was on and made a connection to a tower, why didn't any of the 300 other cell phones on the plane also connect? no way you're telling me that Malaysian is the one airline in the world where every passenger always puts their phone in airplane mode every time. My experience (which is limited to the US) has been that cell phones really don't work well at altitude in airplanes, so it's possible that his phone had a better signal because of the flight deck windows or something.
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Jun 20, 2019 19:16
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Sagebrush posted:If the copilot's phone was on and made a connection to a tower, why didn't any of the 300 other cell phones on the plane also connect? no way you're telling me that Malaysian is the one airline in the world where every passenger always puts their phone in airplane mode every time. Good point. But maybe they did ping the tower, but that it wasn't mentioned or they didn't check all phones against the cell tower logs.
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Jun 20, 2019 19:28
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Nebakenezzer posted:Nice! It seems like four engine airliners are on their way out, so treasure that. Langewiesche writes a lot about plane crashes and shipwrecks, which of course means that he's one of my favorite longform reporters. The topics of few of his other aviation-related pieces: Virgin Galactic Air France 447 Felix Baumgartner US Airways 1549 Flying in the Congo Space Shuttle Columbia disaster EgyptAir 990 ValuJet 592 The state of ATC in 1997 Archives of his work: The Atlantic Vanity Fair Longform
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Jun 20, 2019 20:04
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I forget to put my phone in airplane mode occasionally, it’s not going to hurt anything. It only works up to 2000 ft or so anyways. I don’t know why everyone finds it so bizarre he had left his phone on. It’s more annoying than anything when you’re on approach and all of a sudden your phone regains service and starts vibrating from new texts/emails.
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Jun 20, 2019 20:10
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BIG HEADLINE posted:It's a bucket list item for me as well, but I've heard you feel the turns more because you're higher above the center of gravity. Nah, it's all coordinated. It does feel weird though because its like you're in a small plane with a ride that is far too smooth for its size. Also it feels far too wide for how long it is and how low the roof is. It's a cool experience, even if you had to do it in Y
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Jun 20, 2019 21:09
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e.pilot posted:I forget to put my phone in airplane mode occasionally, it’s not going to hurt anything. It only works up to 2000 ft or so anyways. I don’t know why everyone finds it so bizarre he had left his phone on. They find it weird that there was only 1 ping mentioned rather than 300. That said the article mentions some sat phones. Presumably they were passengers' On descent I point the antenna bands of my iPhone down toward metro areas and routinely get spotty 3G service from still high up. (No idea as to how high) If the copilot was dying this may be a thought he had.
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Jun 20, 2019 21:26
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Captain Postal posted:Nah, it's all coordinated. My only experience 'upper decking it' in a plane was riding in a C-5A's passenger cabin. ...not recommended. 1 out of 5. >.>
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Jun 20, 2019 21:55
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e.pilot posted:I forget to put my phone in airplane mode occasionally, it’s not going to hurt anything. It only works up to 2000 ft or so anyways. I don’t know why everyone finds it so bizarre he had left his phone on. Really? I get calls and texts up to pretty much any altitude I'm flying at, usually 3000-5000' AGL. It's great, if it's a telemarketer I just say "I CAN'T HEAR YOU" then place the phone on top of the panel and see how long they'll try and listen to airplane noise before they give up. I'm somewhat tempted to upgrade my headset and get something with Bluetooth, but mainly so I can listen to music in between my students talking to me 
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Jun 20, 2019 22:01
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I usually put my phone in airplane mode to save the battery, but there have been times when I must have gotten just the right alignment on a tower and got a signal at like 15kft. And that's for a full connection; I'm sure a momentary ping could go a lot further and higher. e: VVV where there's a will, there's a way.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:My only experience 'upper decking it' in a plane was riding in a C-5A's passenger cabin.
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Jun 20, 2019 22:26
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azflyboy posted:My experience (which is limited to the US) has been that cell phones really don't work well at altitude in airplanes, so it's possible that his phone had a better signal because of the flight deck windows or something. 777 flight deck cell reception is terrible (787 is even worse, it's like a drat Faraday cage!). And that's on the ground at a gate. I always have to go back into the cabin to be able to get more than a broken "c_n yo_ _er_ m_ no_" conversation working. That's purely anecdotal and I wouldn't read anything into it, but I'd be surprised that a cell in the flight deck made a connection before or exclusively against any other phone on the plane.
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Jun 20, 2019 22:31
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Finger Prince posted:777 flight deck cell reception is terrible (787 is even worse, it's like a drat Faraday cage!). And that's on the ground at a gate. I always have to go back into the cabin to be able to get more than a broken "c_n yo_ _er_ m_ no_" conversation working. That's purely anecdotal and I wouldn't read anything into it, but I'd be surprised that a cell in the flight deck made a connection before or exclusively against any other phone on the plane. Well, the whole thing pretty much starts with him being locked out of the flight deck.
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Jun 20, 2019 22:48
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PT6A posted:Really? I get calls and texts up to pretty much any altitude I'm flying at, usually 3000-5000' AGL. It's great, if it's a telemarketer I just say "I CAN'T HEAR YOU" then place the phone on top of the panel and see how long they'll try and listen to airplane noise before they give up. I'm somewhat tempted to upgrade my headset and get something with Bluetooth, but mainly so I can listen to music in between my students talking to me Bro Bluetooth headset is life, music makes instructing and flying in general so much better.
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Jun 20, 2019 23:10
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Minto Took posted:I got to ride on both in the back via Lufthansa. The 8i was quieter but DLH had nicer IFE on the 400. It always takes me a split second to remember that to probably everyone outside of military aviation, "IFE" is in flight entertainment not an in flight emergency. It's drat near the only time jargon in this thread works the other way.
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Jun 20, 2019 23:46
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e.pilot posted:Bro Bluetooth headset is life, music makes instructing and flying in general so much better. It feel slightly unprofessional in theory, but also like something that would really really improve my general happiness in practice. I've heard a rumour you can get pre-bluetooth Bose headsets retrofitted for bluetooth, do you know if that's a thing?
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Jun 20, 2019 23:53
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Godholio posted:It always takes me a split second to remember that to probably everyone outside of military aviation, "IFE" is in flight entertainment not an in flight emergency. It's drat near the only time jargon in this thread works the other way. It's also the term our maintainers use for in flight evaluation, when they want aircrew to check a system that you can't use or fully test on the ground. Also also in-flight engagement, AKA How Not To Land on an aircraft carrier.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:It's also the term our maintainers use for in flight evaluation, when they want aircrew to check a system that you can't use or fully test on the ground. You mean your maintenance people don't just write "ground check; no fault" in the journey log??? My stars, what a beautiful world that must be...
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Jun 21, 2019 00:03
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PT6A posted:It feel slightly unprofessional in theory, but also like something that would really really improve my general happiness in practice. Bose is nice but too expensive for what you get imo. They’re also somewhat fragile. I’d suggest a David Clark Pro-X or One-X, they’re half the price, just as comfortable, built like tanks, and have DC’s legendary warranty. I’ve put over 2000 hours on my pro-x in everything from 172s on up to the 767, it’s been nothing but fantastic.
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PT6A posted:It feel slightly unprofessional in theory, but also like something that would really really improve my general happiness in practice. You can send it in to Bose and they’ll put a different cable on it for a couple hundred bucks if I remember right. I love my A20 to death def get on that poo poo. Edit: I’ve got an old DC ANR that I put something like 4000 hours on and it’s never gone wrong. The Bose is far better comfort wise though Arson Daily fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Jun 21, 2019 |
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Jun 21, 2019 00:31
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e.pilot posted:Bose is nice but too expensive for what you get imo. Yes but I've already got the pre-bluetooth Bose, so upgrading would probably be a lot cheaper than a brand new headset of any brand.
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Jun 21, 2019 01:08
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Bobby Digital posted:Is this the thread for general plane chat? I finally get to fly on the upper deck of a 747 and I am excited Great flight, quite quiet. I'd guess about as quiet as the A359 I was on from YVR-MUC, being upstairs and that far forward makes a big difference from the main cabin for sure. LH business class isn't known as the fanciest in the world, but I had no complaints. Seat was quite confortable, good IFE, all FAs were excellent and great food. I'm sure yours will be great. Enjoy!
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I may have to fly business class on BA AUS-LHR while they’re still using the 744. Never been up top.
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Flying up top in a 74 or 380 is super neat, definitely do it if you get the chance.
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Jun 21, 2019 02:06
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PT6A posted:Yes but I've already got the pre-bluetooth Bose, so upgrading would probably be a lot cheaper than a brand new headset of any brand. You can just buy a new module with bluetooth. https://www.bose.ca/en_ca/products/...bt_ii_acc_black It swaps out with two screws.
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helno posted:You can just buy a new module with bluetooth. Exactly what I was looking for! Thanks, I think I’ll pick that up.
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e.pilot posted:Flying up top in a 74 or 380 is super neat, definitely do it if you get the chance. On the flip side is there any reason to fly lower level on a 380?
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Aargh posted:On the flip side is there any reason to fly lower level on a 380? https://dereklow.co/singapore-airlines-suites-class/
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Aargh posted:On the flip side is there any reason to fly lower level on a 380? So you're not tortured by the idea of being behind the thing's hideous fivehead the whole time?
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Jealous Cow posted:I may have to fly business class on BA AUS-LHR while they’re still using the 744. Never been up top. One of my flight choices back when I did the LH 744 flight was BA. I read their business class reviews on their "ying-yang" style seats and they seemed to be almost universally condemned. That said, it can't be BAD and I think many of the contributors on the frequent flyer forums are divas and basically the aircraft equivalent of DSLreports posters.
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slidebite posted:One of my flight choices back when I did the LH 744 flight was BA. I read their business class reviews on their "ying-yang" style seats and they seemed to be almost universally condemned. That said, it can't be BAD and I think many of the contributors on the frequent flyer forums are divas and basically the aircraft equivalent of DSLreports posters. On the one hand yes, but on the other I have never gotten a panic attack from claustrophobia in the main cabin but did in business.
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Sure, gently caress 'em for that "don't pay union dues, buy a game console instead" thing, but this is pretty sweet: https://geekologie.com/2019/06/delta-turns-757-engine-into-massive-gril.php
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The flights I've taken for this Euro trip have been amazingly comfortable. Norwegian business class in a 787 for the transatlantic crossing (and the upcoming return trip), SAS a320s for the jaunt up to Norway and back, both planes had an honestly astounding amount of legroom for my 6'5" frame's legs. My previous experiences as an adult have all been on Southwest etc so this is an excellent change of pace. Also my first flight ever in any sort of widebody, so that's a milestone i suppose.
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Timmy Age 6 posted:Langewiesche writes a lot about plane crashes and shipwrecks, which of course means that he's one of my favorite longform reporters. The topics of few of his other aviation-related pieces: awesome. This Brazil accident surprised the poo poo out of me in that the BizJet survived. Tricksy Langewiesche! Giving us the play-by-play on the flight recorder!
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