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While most post 70's space horror was birthed from Alien/Aliens, I'd say some of the 90's stuff was a direct result of the Star Trek revival and the ton of TV spaceship crew shows that followed.
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TheKingslayer posted:I like Bloodline mostly because I grade it on a curve. It would have been a lot better if they had avoided space all together since it looks so cheap in contrast to the LeMarchand/France scenes which are pretty grotesque and helped by low lighting. I also think the Angelique Cenobite is cool. M_Sinistrari posted:I found the concept of Hell's structure changing over time pretty interesting. It had me wondering how much of the regular world influences Hell since Hell went from something more organic/chaotic to austere and structured. Obligatory mention of the fan-cut of this movie as it's still flawed but you both might appreciate reading about it or seeking it out as it's very close to what was originally intended for the movie. Assembled from a bunch of leaked unused footage and edited based on the original director's shooting script. It's still flawed IMO but it's like an almost Alien 3 level of why the gently caress was any of this stuff cut-ness and the movie basically accomplishes what it sets out to do. 1) The movie's scenes are presented chronologically, the entire space part is expanded a little but is better since it's like a surprise final act. 2) Over an hour was cut from the movie, that's all back in so it doesn't feel nearly as choppy and you get a little more insight into the mythos. 3) Valentina Vargas is in it more and doesn't just randomly vanish now and then like in the theatrical version. This happens due to a more developed idealogical conflict between them where Pinhead wants a chaotic organic hell that lashes out at everything like in Hellraiser 3 while Angelique wants a more structured, these humans are tempted by and enter a binding contract with us kind of hell like in Hellraiser 1/2. IIRC you can watch it on YouTube as "Helllraiser IV - Bloodline (Reconstruction Workprint)" or something like that. The only downside is that, and nothing against the effort of the fans, but there is one incomplete sequence, they completed themselves with some in-engine 3D rendering and uh, just be prepared. Fortunately most of the rest of the movie doesn't suffer from that though as it was mostly all practical effects anyway. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Jun 24, 2019 |
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Iron Crowned posted:The mention of Hellraiser Bloodline reminded me that for some reason in the 90's we liked to make sequels in space. Aside from Pinhead off the top of my head we had Jason, the Leprechaun, and Critters (although they're from space as is). Origami Dali posted:While most post 70's space horror was birthed from Alien/Aliens, I'd say some of the 90's stuff was a direct result of the Star Trek revival and the ton of TV spaceship crew shows that followed. Absolutely, huh this franchise is super cheap to make and used to make us a lot of money, what? The kids want space poo poo now? Put it in space. I think even Michael Myers was briefly considered for this at one point.
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Origami Dali posted:the ton of TV spaceship crew shows that followed. The best being Lexx, obviously  Lexx had a really good episode where one of the crew members loses his undead mind and turns into a wisecracking Freddy Krueger-esque slasher and kills a bunch of teenage stowaways on the ship... I mean, just to keep things on-topic.
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Nabbed from the Funny Pictures thread cuz you need to know about this. https://twitter.com/MakoPeggy/status/1140125157480194048
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M_Sinistrari posted:I always figured people called it Hell since it seemed close enough to the stories about Hell and that it was just a side dimension. That was kind of the idea for the early movies, but then it turned into straight up hell somewhere along the way, ending in Barker's "final Hellraiser novel" that had Pinhead as a mid level demon trying to usurp Satan.
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Darko posted:That was kind of the idea for the early movies, but then it turned into straight up hell somewhere along the way, ending in Barker's "final Hellraiser novel" that had Pinhead as a mid level demon trying to usurp Satan. I think Barker got really into Christian mythology at some point. Or at least just gave up pretending he wasn’t.
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The most recent Hellraiser movie had an actual angel show up at one point so they're definitely all-on on the Heaven/Hell thing.
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Darko posted:That was kind of the idea for the early movies, but then it turned into straight up hell somewhere along the way, ending in Barker's "final Hellraiser novel" that had Pinhead as a mid level demon trying to usurp Satan. That one always read as Barker rolling his eyes at Pinhead fans. Like, Pinhead has a Dragonball fight with Satan while wearing Satan's power-augmenting armor. And if you try to read any of his monologues in Doug Bradley's voice, it just doesn't work. Pinhead is just kind of silly and a huge prick.
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Grendels Dad posted:Pinhead is just kind of silly and a huge prick. this is every demon (and a considerable portion of the supernatural beings, period) in Clive Barker's work
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Basebf555 posted:The most recent Hellraiser movie had an actual angel show up at one point so they're definitely all-on on the Heaven/Hell thing. I was expecting her to be an agent of Morte Mamme. Being an angel kinda deflated things for me.
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I want to like Hellbound, but I just can't take Chuck Norris fighting a demon seriously.
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ruddiger posted:I want to like Hellbound, but I just can't take Chuck Norris fighting a demon seriously. Considering Norris' character's name is Frank Shatter, the expectation's set for something cheesy.
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ruddiger posted:I want to like Hellbound, but I just can't take Chuck Norris fighting a demon seriously. Not even the best movie about an 80s action guy punching Satan.
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ruddiger posted:I want to like Hellbound, but I just can't take Chuck Norris fighting a demon seriously. Lol
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ruddiger posted:I want to like Hellbound, but I just can't take Chuck Norris fighting a demon seriously. Holy poo poo I just read the wiki summary of this movie and it sounds insane "Frank Shatter (Chuck Norris) and Calvin Jackson (Calvin Levels) are two Chicago Police detectives sent to investigate the brutal murder of a rabbi. As the investigation begins, Shatter and Jackson are summoned to Israel for questioning..." lol
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Jun 24, 2019 18:57
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I never really liked Chuck Norris or his movies
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Iron Crowned posted:I never really liked Chuck Norris or his movies He’s really one of the more baffling movie stars of all time because there’s just nothing there. Every movie I’ve ever seen him in, he cools off the energy of the scene like an ice cube dropped into a bowl of soup. Was he a thing because he could kick kind of high?
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COOL CORN posted:Slasher is a pretty fun show. I'm mostly done with season one, but it's not a bad way to kill a day. Hearing Katie McGrath’s Irish accent slip every now and then was the best part of that show. Jk it’s a good watch but her accent does slip a lot and can be distracting.
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Splint Chesthair posted:He’s really one of the more baffling movie stars of all time because there’s just nothing there. Every movie I’ve ever seen him in, he cools off the energy of the scene like an ice cube dropped into a bowl of soup. Was he a thing because he could kick kind of high? He's not really a "star" like a lot of action guys were(Segal, Van Damme) because his movies never really made it to what I'd call mainstream success. He's much more of a t.v. star because most of the money he's made from his career came from Walker Texas Ranger. Hell, he's probably made more money from exercise infomercials than his movie career.
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Considering it wasn't that long ago we were talking about the 28 Days/Weeks Later franchise. https://www.nme.com/news/film/danny-boyle-confirms-third-28-days-later-movie-works-2513427
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Jun 24, 2019 20:32
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51% of the appeal of Chuck Norris is his glistening chest hair.
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Jun 24, 2019 20:48
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Pope Corky the IX posted:51% of the appeal of Chuck Norris is his glistening chest hair. Well it's certainly how he got his start. His iconic fight scene with Bruce Lee was basically Bruce Lee vs. Hairy Chest Man.
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I assume he's just a relic of our ancestral fear of ninjas during the 70's and 80's
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Basebf555 posted:Well it's certainly how he got his start. His iconic fight scene with Bruce Lee was basically Bruce Lee vs. Hairy Chest Man. And THIS right here is why Norris has any grounding at all in the lime light He was adjacent to and a subordinate of Bruce Lee at a time where martial arts was huge, and he wasn't actively embarrassing AT being a martial artist, so he got picked up to be the more active Charles Bronson safe white guy.
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Bronson could kick Norrises rear end
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Burkion posted:And THIS right here is why Norris has any grounding at all in the lime light Yea there were a lot of guys with who ended up making a career out of their association with Bruce Lee, but Norris was probably the most successful at it. "What if Bruce Lee had lived a full life and was still alive today?" is one of the most interesting what-if scenarios in movie history because it's just impossible to know how his overall influence may have been different had he lived a few more decades. Who knows, it might've been lessened if he'd been around to ruin his own mystique.
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Basebf555 posted:Yea there were a lot of guys with who ended up making a career out of their association with Bruce Lee, but Norris was probably the most successful at it. "What if Bruce Lee had lived a full life and was still alive today?" is one of the most interesting what-if scenarios in movie history because it's just impossible to know how his overall influence may have been different had he lived a few more decades. Who knows, it might've been lessened if he'd been around to ruin his own mystique. You want to think he’d have turned into a kickass old man but he was pretty vain so I kinda think he wouldn’t have let himself age gracefully.
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I'd be mostly interested to see where he would have gone with people like Jackie Chan and Jet Li gaining international fame (if they were able to with him still around, at least to the same degree). Instead of being the top of the martial arts movie world, they'd now be competing with the OG on the same stage. Or you see Bruce Lee following the same path as Jackie Chan and starring in gritty dramas where he doesn't have to do many crazy stunts around the mid-2000s.
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chitoryu12 posted:I'd be mostly interested to see where he would have gone with people like Jackie Chan and Jet Li gaining international fame (if they were able to with him still around, at least to the same degree). Instead of being the top of the martial arts movie world, they'd now be competing with the OG on the same stage. Yea that definitely is something that would be hard to project, because so much of it would've depended on Lee's relationship with China/Hong Kong and how that soured or improved over time. Like, I'm not sure we can assume that if he were alive in the 90's he'd have wanted to help someone like Jet Li come over and become successful here. But maybe he would've, who knows.
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He was known to be kind of a dick, so the idea that he would have more or less sucked the air out of the room holds some water.
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Donnie Yen > all
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colachute posted:Donnie Yen > all 
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colachute posted:Sammo Hung > all
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Neither of those guys has a resume a tenth as strong as Jackie Chan's but ok By the way, to bring things back around to the cause of the derail, I'm definitely going to be watching that Norris movie Hellbound, it's on Prime for $3 Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Jun 24, 2019 |
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Regarding Norris, a lot of his filmography in the 80's owes to the fact that, like Charles Bronson, he essentially had a residency at Cannon pictures. Golan and Globus basically had two script piles in their office, each dedicated to one of the Chuck's, and neither pile really ever emptied out in the studio's heydey.
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So I just learned that the theatrical cut of Freddy's Dead is 12 mins longer than any home video version, what the hell.
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Origami Dali posted:So I just learned that the theatrical cut of Freddy's Dead is 12 mins longer than any home video version, what the hell. I think - and I might be wrong - but the theatrical version had a bunch of 3D "put on glasses now" sequences that never made it to home video.
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Tart Kitty posted:I think - and I might be wrong - but the theatrical version had a bunch of 3D "put on glasses now" sequences that never made it to home video. Was it just extra title cards or something? Because the home video version still showed Lisa Zane gratuitously putting on a pair of 3D glasses for the final sequence.
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