awful programming: feature flags and suffering

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The Fool: Oct 16, 2003

As someone near real mountains, I appreciate that comparison

e: gently caress that is a bad page snipe.
um.. tps: I once had a request to disable the controls on an embedded youtube video. I solved this by floating a div over the whole thing.

The Fool fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Jun 26, 2019

# ? Jun 26, 2019 18:49

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# ? May 22, 2024 05:58

Powerful Two-Hander: Mar 10, 2004; Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.

sometimes I'm super productive when I wfh but recently it's been more like "I should really write this data conversion but it's hard and boring so I'll procrastinate". I think it's probably taken like 3 days to do it total when it really was about 5 hours work.

# ? Jun 26, 2019 19:01

CPColin: Sep 9, 2003; Big ol' smile.

The Fool posted:

As someone near real mountains, I appreciate that comparison

e: gently caress that is a bad page snipe.
um.. tps: I once had a request to disable the controls on an embedded youtube video. I solved this by floating a div over the whole thing.

I had to implement a similar request when I was working at Experts Exchange. Users could upload instructional videos and EE would slap a watermark on them and serve them to the paying subscribers. Being just a <video> tag, you could of course just right-click and save the video. Or you could go straight to the video URL. Or you could capture your screen. They wanted me to float a <div> over the video so right-clicks wouldn't go through, despite that being trivial to defeat, too.

The point I was making was that, as soon as we served these videos to the users, the users could save them forever. I told my team lead the change was stupid, set the commit author to "Alan Smithee," and told my team lead to create and merge the pull request, because I would not. A little bit later, the CEO called both of us up to their office. The CEO was like, "What am I supposed to tell companies who want us to serve their content when they ask what sort of protections we have against downloading and re-sharing their videos?" and I was like, "Tell them there is no way to stop people from downloading them and copyright claims are the way to handle people sharing them."

We went around in circles for like twenty minutes before I said, "Look, the change is already committed and you're not going to change my mind on this. Can we get back to work?"

Then I got laid off, lol

# ? Jun 26, 2019 19:11

PierreTheMime: Dec 9, 2004; Hero of hormagaunts everywhere!; Buglord

i wfh way more than i should and when i do i primarily paint space barbies and let my kids talk to my coworkers on skype. i would bad about this except I�m somehow still the person who gets things done way ahead of schedule so this really says something about everyone in the office :shrug:

# ? Jun 26, 2019 19:14

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

Beamed posted:

is Midwestern guilt what midwesterners call catholic guilt when they move out of the midwest

I have never been a catholic so no

# ? Jun 26, 2019 19:16

Sagebrush: Feb 26, 2012

midwestern protestants definitely have a level of guilt rivaling or transcending catholics'

it's just that catholic guilt is conceptually "i am inherently sinful" while midwestern guilt is more "i am inherently lazy." i'm not allowed to have fun because god is mad, vs. i'm not allowed to have fun because i need to work harder

# ? Jun 26, 2019 19:21

bob dobbs is dead: Oct 8, 2017; I love peeps; Nap Ghost

Midwestern chief of product has been landing commits at 2am again

Hes a deec coder, it's just lol

# ? Jun 26, 2019 19:23

raminasi: Jan 25, 2005; a last drink with no ice

bob dobbs is dead posted:

Midwestern chief of product has been landing commits at 2am again

Hes a deec coder, it's just lol

does he have a newborn? I had some coworkers that would do that if they were up anyway

# ? Jun 26, 2019 21:20

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

i am making some changes in some hideously overcoupled ui code and im super torn between refactor the poo poo outta this so i can plausibly test anything or just saying gently caress it and creating the pull request

lowkey concerned about creating new bugs in the process of refactoring it to something that isnt a hazardous waste dump but it is basically impossible to automatedly test as-is

# ? Jun 26, 2019 22:21

Powerful Two-Hander: Mar 10, 2004; Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.

this morning one of the offshore devs said "can we not start work on this new feature stack until mid July because I'm away and if you do it you'll have done the whole thing because you're too fast and I want to do it because it looks interestimg" and I'm actually kind of proud because this means my pushing them to "think about something that would be interesting to do" has sort of worked.

ofc I'm gonna make sure that we at least sketch a design out first otherwise it'll be a clusterfuck.

# ? Jun 26, 2019 22:49

Lutha Mahtin: Oct 10, 2010; Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

Sagebrush posted:

midwestern protestants definitely have a level of guilt rivaling or transcending catholics'

it's just that catholic guilt is conceptually "i am inherently sinful" while midwestern guilt is more "i am inherently lazy." i'm not allowed to have fun because god is mad, vs. i'm not allowed to have fun because i need to work harder

yes and neither of these is midwestern guilt. what jitbull is referring to is the inability of a midwesterner to get out of a conversation, no matter how trivial or insulting, because the midwesterner is terrified that being rude to the other person will be considered a bigger loss of face than whatever stupid or malicious thing the other person is bothering you with

# ? Jun 26, 2019 23:12

Janitor Prime: Jan 22, 2004; PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean; Fun Shoe

Sagebrush posted:

midwestern protestants definitely have a level of guilt rivaling or transcending catholics'

it's just that catholic guilt is conceptually "i am inherently sinful" while midwestern guilt is more "i am inherently lazy." i'm not allowed to have fun because god is mad, vs. i'm not allowed to have fun because i need to work harder

til Catholic guilt is not a thing in Mexico

# ? Jun 27, 2019 00:29

animist: Aug 28, 2018

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

sometimes I'm super productive when I wfh but recently it's been more like "I should really write this data conversion but it's hard and boring so I'll procrastinate". I think it's probably taken like 3 days to do it total when it really was about 5 hours work.

those are rookie numbers. Come back when you've taken 3 weeks

# ? Jun 27, 2019 01:23

aardvaard: Mar 4, 2013; you belong in the bog of eternal stench

Sagebrush posted:

midwestern protestants definitely have a level of guilt rivaling or transcending catholics'

it's just that catholic guilt is conceptually "i am inherently sinful" while midwestern guilt is more "i am inherently lazy." i'm not allowed to have fun because god is mad, vs. i'm not allowed to have fun because i need to work harder

this can't be true because this describes me perfectly and i have never stepped foot in the midwest

# ? Jun 27, 2019 01:30

PierreTheMime: Dec 9, 2004; Hero of hormagaunts everywhere!; Buglord

tps: i just spent a loving hour trying to hunt down why my lambda function was failing to stream files from an sftp server to a bucket, no exceptions thrown, logs looked clean. turns out another function id made to move files from bucket to bucket was configured to hit the same spot, and happily moved all my test files into another space before i could check

i mean, im glad it works because i was getting frustrated but ugh

# ? Jun 27, 2019 01:34

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Bloody posted:

i am making some changes in some hideously overcoupled ui code and im super torn between refactor the poo poo outta this so i can plausibly test anything or just saying gently caress it and creating the pull request

lowkey concerned about creating new bugs in the process of refactoring it to something that isnt a hazardous waste dump but it is basically impossible to automatedly test as-is

split the difference and do the laziest imaginable refactoring

it sounds like I�m joking but I�m not really, even the tiniest teasing apart of dependencies can have ripple effects the next time someone needs to make a change and test it, or find a place to put similar logic, etc.

I�ve even gotten value out of literally just moving a bunch of classes that were in one file into separate files, because being in the project�s navigation hierarchy makes them more visible to others and they wind up more reused, adapted, maintained, etc.

# ? Jun 27, 2019 03:20

Beamed: Nov 26, 2010; Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.

aardvaard posted:

this can't be true because this describes me perfectly and i have never stepped foot in the midwest

chicago rules my dude

# ? Jun 27, 2019 03:28

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

eschaton posted:

split the difference and do the laziest imaginable refactoring

it sounds like I�m joking but I�m not really, even the tiniest teasing apart of dependencies can have ripple effects the next time someone needs to make a change and test it, or find a place to put similar logic, etc.

I�ve even gotten value out of literally just moving a bunch of classes that were in one file into separate files, because being in the project�s navigation hierarchy makes them more visible to others and they wind up more reused, adapted, maintained, etc.

oh ya this'll be lazy as hell if it happens. like just try and cut business logic from the view and paste it in the business logic class. this is still astonishingly messy lmao

# ? Jun 27, 2019 05:45

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Bloody posted:

oh ya this'll be lazy as hell if it happens. like just try and cut business logic from the view and paste it in the business logic class. this is still astonishingly messy lmao

https://youtu.be/YYvOGPMLVDo

# ? Jun 27, 2019 06:08

bob dobbs is dead: Oct 8, 2017; I love peeps; Nap Ghost

raminasi posted:

does he have a newborn? I had some coworkers that would do that if they were up anyway

He got a dog

# ? Jun 27, 2019 06:41

CPColin: Sep 9, 2003; Big ol' smile.

bob dobbs is dead posted:

He bought a zoo

# ? Jun 27, 2019 15:29

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

its like an infinite nesting doll of poo poo tightly coupled to other poo poo and i gotta find the bottom to start unzipping it but there is no bottom

lowkey concerned that the bottom is actually a hydra where the various 10kloc+ god objects ive run into are the heads

# ? Jun 27, 2019 16:02

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Bloody posted:

its like an infinite nesting doll of poo poo tightly coupled to other poo poo and i gotta find the bottom to start unzipping it but there is no bottom

but enough about your post history

# ? Jun 27, 2019 16:42

Finster Dexter: Oct 20, 2014; Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

I think it's probably taken like 3 days to do it total when it really was about 5 hours work.

pls don't doxx my entire career

# ? Jun 27, 2019 17:42

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

this code is fuckin cursed i dont understand how it does anything at all

# ? Jun 27, 2019 21:55

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

Bloody posted:

this code is fuckin cursed i dont understand how it does anything at all

wait I didn�t know there was a new dev joining my team

# ? Jun 27, 2019 22:21

Powerful Two-Hander: Mar 10, 2004; Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.

Bloody posted:

this code is fuckin cursed i dont understand how it does anything at all

this but it's a database structure and I wrote it

# ? Jun 27, 2019 23:09

Plorkyeran: Mar 22, 2007; To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed

Bloody posted:

this code is fuckin cursed i dont understand how it does anything at all

i think that means you're supposed to throw it away and rewrite it in a hip new language that no one at your company has ever used before

# ? Jun 27, 2019 23:19

CPColin: Sep 9, 2003; Big ol' smile.

Plorkyeran posted:

i think that means you're supposed to throw it away and rewrite it in a hip new language that no one at your company has ever used before

wait I didn't know a new dev was joining my team

# ? Jun 27, 2019 23:21

The Fool: Oct 16, 2003

Plorkyeran posted:

i think that means you're supposed to throw it away and rewrite it in a hip new language that no one at your company has ever used before

and if anyone else happens to be familiar with the language, find a framework they haven't heard of that they must use now or be left behind by your competitors

# ? Jun 27, 2019 23:31

brand engager: Mar 23, 2011

Bloody posted:

this code is fuckin cursed i dont understand how it does anything at all

lmao this is basically the whole native c/c++ portion of our android code

# ? Jun 28, 2019 01:33

Share Bear: Apr 27, 2004

Lutha Mahtin posted:

no they're quite different

just wanna say this post comment and user name are fantastic god bless :angel:

# ? Jun 28, 2019 01:58

DaTroof: Nov 16, 2000; CC LIMERICK CONTEST GRAND CHAMPION
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terrible programming: this code is fuckin cursed i dont understand how it does anything at all

# ? Jun 28, 2019 03:43

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

DaTroof posted:

terrible programming: this code is fuckin cursed

# ? Jun 28, 2019 07:37

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
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DaTroof posted:

terrible programming: this code is fuckin cursed i dont understand how it does anything at all

# ? Jun 28, 2019 08:26

Ciaphas: Nov 20, 2005; > BEWARE, COWARD

c tp s: just discovered that this compiles fine in the project i'm bugfixing atm

C++ code:

void f()
{
  for (int i = 0; i < 3; ++i) {}
  cout << i << endl; // i == 3; same i, its scoped to the whole fn
  for (i = 0; i < 10; ++i) {} // ditto
}

# ? Jun 28, 2019 17:16

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

Ciaphas posted:

c tp s: just discovered that this compiles fine in the project i'm bugfixing atm
C++ code:
void f()
{
  for (int i = 0; i < 3; ++i) {}
  cout << i << endl; // i == 3; same i, its scoped to the whole fn
  for (i = 0; i < 10; ++i) {} // ditto
}

gcc has a flag for letting you that: fpermissive iirc. turn it off imo

# ? Jun 28, 2019 17:20

Xarn: Jun 26, 2015

Aren't old MSVC versions cool? :v:

# ? Jun 28, 2019 17:21

TheFluff: Dec 13, 2006; FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
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wasn't the last msvc that had that bug version 6.0 from tyool 1998

# ? Jun 28, 2019 17:26

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# ? May 22, 2024 05:58

DrPossum: May 15, 2004; i am not a surgeon

Ciaphas posted:

c tp s: just discovered that this compiles fine in the project i'm bugfixing atm
C++ code:
void f()
{
  for (int i = 0; i < 3; ++i) {}
  cout << i << endl; // i == 3; same i, its scoped to the whole fn
  for (i = 0; i < 10; ++i) {} // ditto
}

code:

[drpossum@ash temp]$ cat fuckup.cpp 
#include <iostream>

using namespace std;

void f()
{
  for (int i = 0; i < 3; ++i) {}
  cout << i << endl; // i == 3; same i, its scoped to the whole fn
  for (i = 0; i < 10; ++i) {} // ditto
}

int main(){
    f();
    return 0;
}

[drpossum@ash temp]$ g++ -fno-for-scope -o fuckup fuckup.cpp
cc1plus: warning: �-fno-for-scope� is deprecated [-Wdeprecated]

[drpossum@ash temp]$ ./fuckup 
3

man gcc posted:

-fno-for-scope
If -ffor-scope is specified, the scope of variables declared in a for-init-statement is limited to
the "for" loop itself, as specified by the C++ standard. If -fno-for-scope is specified, the
scope of variables declared in a for-init-statement extends to the end of the enclosing scope, as
was the case in old versions of G++, and other (traditional) implementations of C++.

This option is deprecated and the associated non-standard functionality will be removed.

DrPossum fucked around with this message at 13:27 on Jun 29, 2019

# ? Jun 29, 2019 13:21

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