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Bogus Adventure posted:Frank Miller is writing a new Superman origin BioEnchanted posted:I do find it funny how many Klingon's try to do subterfuge and are so surprised when the other Klingon party doesn't submit. How are the Klingons so surprised that Worf and his Brother are willing to die for their father's reputation? FilthyImp has a new favorite as of 23:34 on Jul 6, 2019 |
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The other reason Ferengi fall flat is because they were constructed as a direct philosophical counterpoint to TNG's stiff, almost alien hyper-enlightened Federation that smugly strolled around the galaxy acting like they were better than everyone else. They're a dark mirror to something that was already distorted and difficult to relate to, so the whole thing falls apart. Also, the extreme cognitive dissonance of trying to make capitalists the bad guys in a series known for milking $$$ from its fans. Maybe if TNG's early days weren't awkward as gently caress, maybe if their first episode wasn't sabotaged by some of the worst direction of all time, maybe the whole thing could've played out differently. Maybe. BioEnchanted posted:I do find it funny how many Klingon's try to do subterfuge and are so surprised when the other Klingon party doesn't submit. How are the Klingons so surprised that Worf and his Brother are willing to die for their father's reputation? They should know better than anyone that all threatening a Klingon's life will result in is "Fine, then I will die by the side of those I am loyal to" That's the core dramatic irony of Worf's character. He's ostensibly the least Klingon of the bunch because of his upbringing, but because of his upbringing he also only ever got the idealized version of Klingon culture and took it all at face value. It turns out that underneath all the grand speeches and war stories and such about honor and courage and strength, the Klingons are just as petty, backstabbing, and duplicitous as their enemies.
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Jul 6, 2019 23:37
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Due to the weirdness of how human relationships are treated on the show, ironically that TNG Cardassian giving Picard a hard time about how humans don't love their kids feels weirdly credible and a bizarre moment overall
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Elfface posted:How long until we have Superman doing the iconic "Zoom in front of a speeding bullet and be a human shield" thing, but instead of a gangster in a pinstripe suit opening fire on a bank, he's standing in front of a cop opening fire on a black teenager? There is some media pushback starting to happen. In the Netflix season of Lucifer (where the literal Devil works with the LAPD) they had an episode where one of the characters (who is black) is almost shot by the cops just for asking questions when they show up to arrest a young black man that he was helping.
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Grey's Anatomy did a good #BLM one and a few different anti-ICE/CBP episodes. The Charmichael Show was cancelled by NBC because they did an episode where the main character was in a mass shooting event iirc
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Klingon glory and honor = winning. It ain't cheating if you win.
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Bogus Adventure posted:Klingon glory and honor = winning. It ain't cheating if you win. Yeah that's the literal reason given for why they use cloaking devices despite talking a lot about honour.
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Elfface posted:How long until we have Superman doing the iconic "Zoom in front of a speeding bullet and be a human shield" thing, but instead of a gangster in a pinstripe suit opening fire on a bank, he's standing in front of a cop opening fire on a black teenager? IIRC there was a recent arc where Supes really did go up against militarized police. While he was depowered no less. One issue even ended with him in front of a bunch of civilians saying "You are ALL Superman now" Fake edit: I tried finding the article I read about it and the only thing I could find were reports that Dean Cain is now a police officer because OF COURSE he is. Real Edit: FWIW the Punisher recently did an issue where Frank chews out and threatens to kill a bunch of cop fanboys of his, complete with skull decal on their car (which Frank rips up). https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-real-punisher-wants-cops-to-stop-pretending-theyre-1836085595 AceOfFlames has a new favorite as of 12:46 on Jul 7, 2019 |
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A real police officer, or a 'police officer' the way that Steven Seagal is a "sherrif"?
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BrigadierSensible posted:A real police officer, or a 'police officer' the way that Steven Seagal is a "sherrif"? I'm guessing the latter: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dean-cain-joins-idaho-police-department/ quote:Calling Superman: St. Anthony, Idaho, needs you. A small town in east Idaho welcomed Dean Cain, who played Clark Kent in "Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman," into its police force on Tuesday, reports the Idaho Statesman. Cain was sworn in as a reserve officer. Hahahahaha
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Sure, okay. Two actors kids have no idea exist are going to help teach kids how to be safe online. It's far more likely a child has seen Dean Cain play a murderous villain than a superhero. And yeah, no police department is going to hire a 50+ year old as a real officer. Oh they can really shoot and kill an innocent person, but it'll be under the close supervision of regular police officers.
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The X-Men being written out has really hurt comics, say what you want about the clumsiness and datedness of the minority metaphor, it provided a really important counterpoint to the authoritarian tendencies of superheroes.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The X-Men being written out has really hurt comics, say what you want about the clumsiness and datedness of the minority metaphor, it provided a really important counterpoint to the authoritarian tendencies of superheroes. do you think there hasn't been at least 3 concurrent X-Men books being published at any point in the past 10 years
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Plus, because of the Fox merger, Marvel is all set to bring the X-Men back into the spotlight to get that sweet brand synergy. There are also rumors that the current ongoing storyline (X-Man brings the vast majority of Mutants into a Mutant dominated alternate universe while Emma Frost has apparently erased the memory of the existence of mutants from the rest of the world) is hearing up for a reboot concurrent with their introduction to the MCU.
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The stuff I saw for that seemed more like Steve Rogers was Weapon I, where Wolverine will be weapon X and some of the intervening Weapon [numbers] could show up as villains, and maybe including Hulk and Abomination as Weapons II/III? I forget exactly, and it’s probably still up in the air anyways at this point.
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Icon Of Sin posted:The stuff I saw for that seemed more like Steve Rogers was Weapon I, where Wolverine will be weapon X and some of the intervening Weapon [numbers] could show up as villains, and maybe including Hulk and Abomination as Weapons II/III? I forget exactly, and it’s probably still up in the air anyways at this point. That's for an upcoming comic, not the MCU as was previously reported. Cap being Weapon I has already been established in the comics for quite sometime but apparently they never did anything with that piece of information until now.
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Icon Of Sin posted:The stuff I saw for that seemed more like Steve Rogers was Weapon I, where Wolverine will be weapon X and some of the intervening Weapon [numbers] could show up as villains, and maybe including Hulk and Abomination as Weapons II/III? I forget exactly, and it’s probably still up in the air anyways at this point. didn’t grant morrison do a lot with the weapons in his run? Also canon or not we 3 is the always going to be the weapons 1-3 story in my yeart
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Yes, in Grant Morrison's run on New X-Men he introduced the idea of the "Weapon Plus" program which changed it from the letter "X" to the Roman numeral for 10.
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AceOfFlames posted:Real Edit: FWIW the Punisher recently did an issue where Frank chews out and threatens to kill a bunch of cop fanboys of his, complete with skull decal on their car (which Frank rips up). I find this kind of gross. Trying to make the Punisher more appealing.
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Gaunab posted:I find this kind of gross. Trying to make the Punisher more appealing. Alienating cops and the #BlueLivesMatter crowd is both cool and good.
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Koalas March posted:Alienating cops and the #BlueLivesMatter crowd is both cool and good. Yeah. I mean I've seen people ask why Marvel hasn't said anything about that and now they have and it's gross?
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Gaunab posted:I find this kind of gross. Trying to make the Punisher more appealing.
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It's a nice sentiment, but people are going to see what they want in Frank Castle. Having him specifically say, 'stop glamorizing the desperate machinations of a soulless murderer' is not going to compete with 'heh, he shot knives at thugs'. The Punisher literally killed everyone on Earth so, how redeemable is he really?
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If he doesn’t punish people what’s the point of the character
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oldpainless posted:If he doesn’t punish people what’s the point of the character There's a reason he's not called The Rehabilitator.
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Krispy Wafer posted:It's a nice sentiment, but people are going to see what they want in Frank Castle. Having him specifically say, 'stop glamorizing the desperate machinations of a soulless murderer' is not going to compete with 'heh, he shot knives at thugs'. Maybe I should introduce you to Cosmic Ghost Rider, who is Punisher who got Ghost Rider powers and went to space and adopted Thanos and raised him, instead, to be The Punisher? 
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Koalas March posted:The Charmichael Show was cancelled by NBC because they did an episode where the main character was in a mass shooting event iirc
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FactsAreUseless posted:I'm unfamiliar with this show, what was it? It's this.
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FilthyImp posted:It's a good tack because "You're a loving civil servant not Rambo" is indeed the message that should be sent to modern law enforcement. it's a bad tack because they know that the punisher is an attractive character to those types but instead of recognizing why in order to change the character or outright retire him they just have him go 'hey i'm not like these guys' it changes nothing and it'll be forgotten about in a few months
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Yeah the problem with the punisher isn’t that he has cop fanboys it’s that do to the nature of his stories he is always good and correct with maybe a little bit of angst which creates the fanboys
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Brother Entropy posted:it's a bad tack because they know that the punisher is an attractive character to those types but instead of recognizing why in order to change the character or outright retire him they just have him go 'hey i'm not like these guys' He's a ghostrider right now CharlestheHammer posted:Yeah the problem with the punisher isn’t that he has cop fanboys it’s that do to the nature of his stories he is always good and correct with maybe a little bit of angst which creates the fanboys There was an option for Frank to get his family back once. He chose not to and destroyed the revival machine. Not because it would have let a new supervillain take over the crime in New York but because he knows he's a monster and that his family wouldn't approve of what he does. The best Punisher line is the Max line where he is clearly not a good guy and even Nick Fury just wants him to mellow out because he's a monster.
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The thing with Punisher is he only really works in a world without superheroes, i.e. Punisher MAX. Putting him in with superheroes just tends to have him fall into the hole of the writers making him badass where he can go toe to toe with Spider-Man or something like that which turns him into a lovely power fantasy when he shouldn't be. Frank only really works as a monster that can't stop killing so he goes after criminals because that's more sociably acceptable than being a spree shooter. Again, Ennis' Punisher MAX did a quality job at this.
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Accordion Man posted:The thing with Punisher is he only really works in a world without superheroes, i.e. Punisher MAX. Putting him in with superheroes just tends to have him fall into the hole of the writers making him badass where he can go toe to toe with Spider-Man or something like that which turns him into a lovely power fantasy when he shouldn't be. 
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FactsAreUseless posted:I'm unfamiliar with this show, what was it? The Charmichael Show was very much a 90s throwback sitcom in the vein of Family Matters, Hanging With Mr Cooper etc. The cast was great: Jerrod Charmichael, Tiffany Haddish, Loretta Devine, David Allen Grier and Lil Rel. I think it took awhile to find it's footing but it's good for what it was trying to be. I like Blackish better for stuff like the clip below but imo TCS is still worth a watch. Will this age well? I think so https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA9QBZr8WEg Koalas March has a new favorite as of 23:36 on Jul 7, 2019 |
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Accordion Man posted:The thing with Punisher is he only really works in a world without superheroes, i.e. Punisher MAX. Putting him in with superheroes just tends to have him fall into the hole of the writers making him badass where he can go toe to toe with Spider-Man or something like that which turns him into a lovely power fantasy when he shouldn't be. Also do to the nature of being in that universe superheroes have to just keep letting him go, even if they shake their fist at him with halfhearted disgust
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CharlestheHammer posted:Also do to the nature of being in that universe superheroes have to just keep letting him go, even if they shake their fist at him with halfhearted disgust
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CharlestheHammer posted:Also do to the nature of being in that universe superheroes have to just keep letting him go, even if they shake their fist at him with halfhearted disgust He also tends to flash bang or some other cheat way is escaping super heroes
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yeah the problem with the punisher isn’t that he has cop fanboys it’s that do to the nature of his stories he is always good and correct with maybe a little bit of angst which creates the fanboys Cops shouldn't try to emulate the Punisher largely because he exists outside of things like due process. Everything he does is extrajudicial and he really mostly only goes after the worst people. Your average police officer probably won't come in contact with more than one of the type of person the Punisher goes after in his entire career. Most cop work is boring, petty bullshit. The vast majority of actual crime is really dealing minor, nonviolent poo poo. Once you get cops just desperately wanting to go full Punisher on somebody they'll start actively looking for excuses to even though probably 99% of what a police officer deals with doesn't even approach actually needing any force at all. Giving regular beat cops daily, easy access to literal military hardware is a god awful idea. The other thing about the Punisher is that he knows what he's doing is wrong. Instead of working with the police and still treating even criminals like people he's going on a murder spree against people he decided should die.
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I like when Archie met the Punisher.
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:I like when Archie met the Punisher. Archie vs. Predator is also fantastic. Accordion Man has a new favorite as of 00:45 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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