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Are you all spoiling the next season of Riverdale?!
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Jul 8, 2019 00:53
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Archie vs Sharknado was also a thing I read
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Jul 8, 2019 01:35
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CharlestheHammer posted:Also do to the nature of being in that universe superheroes have to just keep letting him go, even if they shake their fist at him with halfhearted disgust Also, because of being in a never-ending continuity, he will never kill all 'bad guys' ever.
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Jul 8, 2019 01:38
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muscles like this! posted:There is some media pushback starting to happen. In the Netflix season of Lucifer (where the literal Devil works with the LAPD) they had an episode where one of the characters (who is black) is almost shot by the cops just for asking questions when they show up to arrest a young black man that he was helping. That episode hurt when I got to it. Poor Amanadiel, learning a really hard lesson about the shittiness of humanity. Poor kid dying for no good reason at all and spending his last days being treated like poo poo before it.
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Jul 8, 2019 01:49
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Are you all spoiling the next season of Riverdale?! The crazy thing is that, between the Punisher and Predator Archie crossovers, it's the Punisher one that wouldn't work if directly adapted to Riverdale.
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Jul 8, 2019 01:59
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Mamkute posted:Also, because of being in a never-ending continuity, he will never kill all 'bad guys' ever. There was a punisher kills the marvel universe. It’s just several books of punisher killing everyone then I think himself
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Jul 8, 2019 02:18
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please go back to making this the de facto 4th star trek thead thanks
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Jul 8, 2019 02:19
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What if the enterprise got a distress call and it was the punisher needing a ride?
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Jul 8, 2019 02:23
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Pick posted:please go back to making this the de facto 4th star trek thead thanks one time there was a comic where star trek crossed over with x-men and it was 100% just so they could make a joke about someone saying 'dr mccoy' and the one dr mccoy from each franchise both thinking they're the one being called
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Jul 8, 2019 02:35
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CharlestheHammer posted:There was a punisher kills the marvel universe. It was a pretty loving stupid book, too. IIRC he tricked the X-Men and Magneto's forces into going to the moon so he could nuke it and wipe out all the most dangerous mutants at once. 
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Jul 8, 2019 02:44
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Vandar posted:It was a pretty loving stupid book, too. All the ___ kills the universe series are extremely stupid.
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Jul 8, 2019 02:46
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CharlestheHammer posted:All the ___ kills the universe series are extremely stupid. Yeah but at least it works for Deadpool because he's Deadpool, so it's like 'sure why not'. The Punisher story is just Garth Ennis jerking off over how much he hates superheroes.
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Jul 8, 2019 02:49
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Squirrel Girl Beats Up the Marvel Universe is great, however.
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Jul 8, 2019 02:50
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Ironically the best Punisher story is punisher Vs. the Marvel universe which is about Zombies but the main theme of the story is how much the punisher sucks
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Jul 8, 2019 02:51
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CharlestheHammer posted:Ironically the best Punisher story is punisher Vs. the Marvel universe which is about Zombies but the main theme of the story is how much the punisher sucks Cause he causes it basically.
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Jul 8, 2019 02:59
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Cops shouldn't try to emulate the Punisher largely because he is a fictional character. Shortened it a little bit there.
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Jul 8, 2019 03:54
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But....that’s a really dumb point
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Jul 8, 2019 04:16
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Remember when literal Supreme Court justices argued that torture was ok because Jack Bauer did it?
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Jul 8, 2019 04:22
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Yeah cuz it always worked
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Jul 8, 2019 04:23
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Brother Entropy posted:one time there was a comic where star trek crossed over with x-men and it was 100% just so they could make a joke about someone saying 'dr mccoy' and the one dr mccoy from each franchise both thinking they're the one being called It actually happened twice, once with TOS (for that joke) and then with TNG. And that's not including any of the several novels that carried on from those comics.
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Jul 8, 2019 04:47
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The Punisher always read to me as a tragic sort of character, in that his existence—both in the sense that society failed to save his family and also that it failed to notice and treat Frank’s mental issues early on—is because society is fundamentally broken. The Punisher isn’t fun, he isn’t cool, and even if he’s going after the bad guys it’s a problem because he shouldn’t even loving exist in the first place and the very fact that he does is a sign that something went wrong a long time ago.
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Jul 8, 2019 04:53
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I like the Punisher prequel Born where a young Frank Castle makes a deal with a voice in his head (the devil? The grim reaper? Just himself?) that the war never needs to end and he can keep killing forever as long as he sacrifices his family.
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Jul 8, 2019 04:58
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christmas boots posted:The Punisher always read to me as a tragic sort of character, in that his existence—both in the sense that society failed to save his family and also that it failed to notice and treat Frank’s mental issues early on—is because society is fundamentally broken. I'm also a fan of the takedown that said "The Punisher is what happens when a white man thinks his family's the only recorded casually of gang related crime"
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Jul 8, 2019 05:01
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christmas boots posted:The Punisher always read to me as a tragic sort of character, in that his existence—both in the sense that society failed to save his family and also that it failed to notice and treat Frank’s mental issues early on—is because society is fundamentally broken. The Punisher isn’t fun, he isn’t cool, and even if he’s going after the bad guys it’s a problem because he shouldn’t even loving exist in the first place and the very fact that he does is a sign that something went wrong a long time ago. That was kind of the point of the character, really. He obviously had the potential to go down that path but he didn't do it until people he cared about were murdered. You're supposed to sympathize with him and be all like "well I understand that motivation but hopefully I can never go off the deep end that far." You get that he's basically every revenge fantasy cranked up to 11 but at the same time you're like "nah dude, too far. Murdering bad people is still murder." In some ways he's also a cautionary tale as when the normal channels of justice break down you start getting vigilantes and mob justice. Those things are bad. You can kind of sort of see him as an anti-hero but even then he's not really a hero. His motivations are 100% revenge and he's dedicated his life entirely to what is literally murder. He's supposed to be kind of ambiguous as he leaves regular people alone and only fucks up the underworld but the other side of it is that he also fundamentally became everything he hated.
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Jul 8, 2019 05:06
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John Murdoch posted:It actually happened twice, once with TOS (for that joke) and then with TNG. One of those novels, as I recall, remarked on the resemblance between Jean-Luc Picard and Professor X. The book was published before the X-Men movies.
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Jul 8, 2019 05:09
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oldpainless posted:Yeah cuz it always worked 24 almost works as criticism of torture. The "good" guys frequently tortures innocent people and when they catch the bad guys the only way to make them talk is to make a deal with them.
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Jul 8, 2019 09:52
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FreudianSlippers posted:I like the Punisher prequel Born where a young Frank Castle makes a deal with a voice in his head (the devil? The grim reaper? Just himself?) that the war never needs to end and he can keep killing forever as long as he sacrifices his family. That was part of the Max imprint
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Jul 8, 2019 11:08
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I would recommend the Garth Ennis run of Punisher MAX which makes up four volumes and not bother with volume 5 which is where the series got silly and cancelled, and this is a comic where Frank feeds a cruise ship full of loan sharks to actual sharks.
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Jul 8, 2019 12:24
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Always liked the interpretation that Batman, a child who saw his family murdered, goes on to do a child's idea of vengeance, while the Punisher has the same situation and does a man's idea of vengeance. Of course, Batman basically becoming the Punisher in a slightly different universe is so standard to him it's basically his own version of 'Superman takes over the world'.
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Jul 8, 2019 13:04
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I always liked the idea that Gotham was so corrupt that a man dressing as a bat fighting against it is the only way to make people pay attention to the problem.
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Jul 8, 2019 13:44
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I’ve been reading a book on Golden Age villainess and I thought I’d seen everything but this is the worst (trigger warning for horrific transphobia) “He/She” a villainess who’s right half of the body is a thuggish gangster while their left half is a seductive femme fatale. The writer claims that “The deadliest of the species is the female! The strongest of the species is the male! Combine these with the killer instinct and you have the most cunning, the most vicious, the most fiendish killer of all time!” He/She’s crimes included concealing the left half of their body while seducing and marrying wealthy women only to reveal themselves and murder the women as soon as they’ve signed over all their money while cackling “You’re going to pay for your curiosity!” The story ends with them sobbing and screaming as their dragged to the electric chair. Jesus Christ https://io9.gizmodo.com/meet-he-she-the-most-unsung-comic-book-villain-ever-5878706
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Jul 8, 2019 13:54
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The only good Punisher is the War Zone movie where he's a ridiculous farce who kicks chair legs into the throat of elderly women before blowing a dude up with a rocket launcher as the dude Parkour flips between two buildings. They got the actor who played Punisher for the kids cartoon, Super Hero Squad, where he snarls out this rant about how crime is like gross vegetables that your parents make you eat. It's awesome The punisher is an awful character if played even 1% straight
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Jul 8, 2019 14:41
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Nckdictator posted:Jesus Christ I can't stop laughing at the thought of someone MARRYING a person and only ever seeing one side of their face. Not even a half mask or anything. "With this hat, overcoat and never looking straight AT people, I have the perfect disguise!" Don't mean to detail the conversation but this kind of ties in to something I noticed recently: these days even children's entertainment relies a lot more on actually well thought out and complex plots than it did several years ago. What exactly changed? Did fiction writers suddenly decide to stop treating their audience like utter morons? AceOfFlames has a new favorite as of 21:02 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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Jul 8, 2019 14:48
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AceOfFlames posted:I can't stop laughing at the thought of someone MARRYING a person and only ever seeing one side of their face. Not even a half mask or anything. "With this hat, overcoat and never looking straight AT people, I have the perfect disguise!" Probably tv is now being made by a generation that grew up with the slightly smarter kids tv that came in the 90s, and that’s influenced their sensibility now that they’re making tv. So like the animated Batman and Gargoyles set their sense of what’s normal for kids, like how 90s kids’ tv had all kinds of touches from Rocky and Bullwinkle or Hanna Barbera. There’s a slightly different version of this at play in how many versions of Homer Simpson have populated kids cartoons in the last 10 years.
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Jul 8, 2019 16:07
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Nckdictator posted:I’ve been reading a book on Golden Age villainess and I thought I’d seen everything but this is the worst Sometimes it’s a trip to read those old ones. Not too long ago I was reading a Golden Age comic from 1940 and at one point the female sidekick gets one-up on the gangsters and has them at gunpoint and warns them “get gay and I’ll blast you.” Obviously the meaning was different back then, but it’s probably still one of the most amazing lines I’ve ever seen on the page.
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Jul 8, 2019 16:23
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Lmao, how can you bring up He-She from the article and not talk about the hero of the comic, Crimebuster?
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Jul 8, 2019 16:34
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Nckdictator posted:I’ve been reading a book on Golden Age villainess and I thought I’d seen everything but this is the worst "This is the story of a thing." "A person? Yes. With a soul? No!" Jesus Christ
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Jul 8, 2019 16:39
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Bogus Adventure posted:Lmao, how can you bring up He-She from the article and not talk about the hero of the comic, Crimebuster? 
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Jul 8, 2019 16:54
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Bogus Adventure posted:Lmao, how can you bring up He-She from the article and not talk about the hero of the comic, Crimebuster? So a twink fights to keep a trans villainess incarcerated. Pretty good metaphor for the queer rights movement over the last half-century.
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Jul 8, 2019 17:47
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My wife and I just finished running through all 11 seasons of Cheers. It's been mentioned a lot of times, but of course Sam's behavior seems absurd as poo poo nowadays. Season 6 stands out a bit more to me. He's no longer the owner of the bar, gets his job back as a favor, and proceeds to harass the poo poo out of Rebecca week after week. Guy would be on the street by the end of day one in real life. There were also more than a few episodes with odd "LOL YOU GAY" jokes that were pretty cringey now that I know 20 year old me didn't even flinch at when the episodes aired. Additional things that didn't age well? Every single sweater worn by Sam, Woody , and Frasier. Holy poo poo. Episode after episode, and I don't think they ever got better. Positive side notes: I seemed to be in the minority opinion when the episodes aired and might still be, but two things I still maintain. Coach was better than Woody. Harrelson was great, but Nicholas Colasanto was borderline perfect. Anybody want a Mai Tai!? Diane was better than Rebecca. At some point - season 7-8 or so, they Homer'd Rebecca hard and turned her from an up an coming smart business woman into a bumbling money chasing dumb rear end. Kirstie Alley was really really good at it, but it kinda annoyed me. I just prefer the antagonistic Sam/Diane relationship more than the Sam/Rebecca story arc. If you asked me who the best barfly was before this run through, I would have said Norm no doubt. I would be wrong. Cliff was way way funnier. And a big thumbs up to Bebe Neuwirth as well. Lilith was pretty much great every time she appeared. A question to anyone that might know. Frasier and Lilith were definitely shown arguing about things here and there in the show, but the divorce plot turn in the last season felt pretty sudden. Anyone know if this was written in due to Kelsey Grammar having lined up the Frasier spinoff by that time and the show knowing that he was supposed to be divorced by the time he got to Seattle? Also - oh my God was Dan Hedaya amazing at Nick Tortelli. I can understand why someone would hate the character, but he slayed me more or less every time he was on the show. I simultaneously understand that giving that character his own spinoff was laughably dumb, as it's probably only good in small doses (See: Chris Elliot) but he was just so good at playing the boorish Ex. Bonus WTF moment - Looking up the actress that played Loretta and finding that it was Kasey Kasem's widow. Lastly - Timothy Williams as Anthony Tortelli had Nick's mannerisms down so well I had to look up the actor to see if he was related to Hedaya.
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