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Blue Moonlight posted:The IRS, sadly, doesn’t do themselves a lot of favors on this front. If they just opened with “You owe us $XXXX. We know this was probably a mistake, so we’d like to offer a zero-penalty payment plan of $YYY/month for ZZ months,” it’d probably kill the IRS scam industry. Instead, it’s written to be about as daunting as possible. While even as a preparer I’m sympathetic to the complaint about doing simple taxes being expensive, holy poo poo dear gently caress does the idea of “let the IRS do the taxes for you” give me chills because ahahaha they screw up SO much just reviewing the taxes at the moment. You want a scam, all those letters opening with “you owe this much” as opposed to “we found this discrepancy” is kind of one honestly. My understanding is something like a third of those CP2000 letters are flat out wrong on appeal and my personal experience is probably closer to half of them. Personal favorite last year was the person who got a $92,000 bill when it turned out on review the IRS owed them $1000 or so more. Prepping a 1040 based on their records and sending corrections falls down as a general rule because their records kinda suck (and a lot of tax info doesn’t even get sent to them; if you own your own business forget the IRS knowing much) and when they inevitably screw up how many people are going to know they did? They’ll just get a letter saying they owe such and such and pay it, which they already do too often in my experience with the audit letters. You’d just be moving the private tax company stuff to doing a ton of “corrections” later on rather than preparing the taxes the first time. Other countries’ taxes are easier because they avoid a lot of the rules about what you can get adjustments/credits for; you’re going to have to burn down the US tax code and restart from scratch (with a highly different philosophy behind the design) to make it that easy to avoid missing something. Or just go whole hog and make tax prep a public service only; fund the IRS enough to hire all those preparers themselves and offer it for free. Can’t call it a bad idea really...
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MadDogMike posted:While even as a preparer I’m sympathetic to the complaint about doing simple taxes being expensive, holy poo poo dear gently caress does the idea of “let the IRS do the taxes for you” give me chills because ahahaha they screw up SO much just reviewing the taxes at the moment. You want a scam, all those letters opening with “you owe this much” as opposed to “we found this discrepancy” is kind of one honestly. My understanding is something like a third of those CP2000 letters are flat out wrong on appeal and my personal experience is probably closer to half of them. Personal favorite last year was the person who got a $92,000 bill when it turned out on review the IRS owed them $1000 or so more. Prepping a 1040 based on their records and sending corrections falls down as a general rule because their records kinda suck (and a lot of tax info doesn’t even get sent to them; if you own your own business forget the IRS knowing much) and when they inevitably screw up how many people are going to know they did? They’ll just get a letter saying they owe such and such and pay it, which they already do too often in my experience with the audit letters. You’d just be moving the private tax company stuff to doing a ton of “corrections” later on rather than preparing the taxes the first time. Other countries’ taxes are easier because they avoid a lot of the rules about what you can get adjustments/credits for; you’re going to have to burn down the US tax code and restart from scratch (with a highly different philosophy behind the design) to make it that easy to avoid missing something. Or just go whole hog and make tax prep a public service only; fund the IRS enough to hire all those preparers themselves and offer it for free. Can’t call it a bad idea really... As a serial killer, I find the idea of banning murder highly disturbing.
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The subject of probate just came up in the iPhone thread, reminds me of a charming bit of mail I received last week. My wife passed away in hospital, accruing a hefty amount of medical debt I’m sure. (I get mail most days of ‘not a bill, just for tax records’ breakdowns). In this state that debt doesn’t get passed on to me, but thank you to CPM Direct or whatever their name is for sending me a letter asking me to confirm my details so undoubtedly they could hound, I’m sorry I meant ‘empathetically enquire if I would like to do the right thing that my wife would surely want’, me to make payments to them I’m under no obligation to. Glad to know going through hell isn’t enough for some people. I hope everyone in that company loses someone close to them.
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MadDogMike posted:While even as a preparer I’m sympathetic to the complaint about doing simple taxes being expensive, holy poo poo dear gently caress does the idea of “let the IRS do the taxes for you” give me chills because ahahaha they screw up SO much just reviewing the taxes at the moment. You want a scam, all those letters opening with “you owe this much” as opposed to “we found this discrepancy” is kind of one honestly. My understanding is something like a third of those CP2000 letters are flat out wrong on appeal and my personal experience is probably closer to half of them. Personal favorite last year was the person who got a $92,000 bill when it turned out on review the IRS owed them $1000 or so more. Prepping a 1040 based on their records and sending corrections falls down as a general rule because their records kinda suck (and a lot of tax info doesn’t even get sent to them; if you own your own business forget the IRS knowing much) and when they inevitably screw up how many people are going to know they did? They’ll just get a letter saying they owe such and such and pay it, which they already do too often in my experience with the audit letters. You’d just be moving the private tax company stuff to doing a ton of “corrections” later on rather than preparing the taxes the first time. Other countries’ taxes are easier because they avoid a lot of the rules about what you can get adjustments/credits for; you’re going to have to burn down the US tax code and restart from scratch (with a highly different philosophy behind the design) to make it that easy to avoid missing something. Or just go whole hog and make tax prep a public service only; fund the IRS enough to hire all those preparers themselves and offer it for free. Can’t call it a bad idea really... As a tax preparer you do not run into the vast majority of people who don't even itemize their taxes, and don't need you.
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EL BROMANCE posted:The subject of probate just came up in the iPhone thread, reminds me of a charming bit of mail I received last week. ;____;
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EL BROMANCE posted:The subject of probate just came up in the iPhone thread, reminds me of a charming bit of mail I received last week. Did you call them up and scream? Because my voice would have shattered their eardrums, the phone, and the sky itself.
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EL BROMANCE posted:The subject of probate just came up in the iPhone thread, reminds me of a charming bit of mail I received last week. Someday, this is going to happen to someone, and that person is going to buy a bunch of guns and shoot up the debt collection agency. God, I hope I'm on that jury. You are allowed to award damages to the defendant in a criminal case, right?
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Thanatosian posted:You are allowed to award damages to the defendant in a criminal case, right?
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Jury nullification is the best you can do sorry
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EL BROMANCE posted:The subject of probate just came up in the iPhone thread, reminds me of a charming bit of mail I received last week. "Here is the contact information for the Estate of <deceased person>. Please direct all correspondence to there. Thank you." Had to deal with that with my deceased father, and We Energies of Milwaukee. When asked if I was going to pay his bill, I said 'No. Please bill the Estate." Oh, the *face* she made at me. It was delicious.
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Thanatosian posted:Someday, this is going to happen to someone, and that person is going to buy a bunch of guns and shoot up the debt collection agency. I'm more shocked it hasn't, people have gone on a shooting spree for dumber reasons. E: Im not endorsing that you do go and shoot up a collection agency here please don't report me
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Don Gato posted:...please don't report me How much is it worth to you?
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MadDogMike posted:While even as a preparer I’m sympathetic to the complaint about doing simple taxes being expensive, holy poo poo dear gently caress does the idea of “let the IRS do the taxes for you” give me chills because ahahaha they screw up SO much just reviewing the taxes at the moment. You want a scam, all those letters opening with “you owe this much” as opposed to “we found this discrepancy” is kind of one honestly. My understanding is something like a third of those CP2000 letters are flat out wrong on appeal and my personal experience is probably closer to half of them. Personal favorite last year was the person who got a $92,000 bill when it turned out on review the IRS owed them $1000 or so more. Prepping a 1040 based on their records and sending corrections falls down as a general rule because their records kinda suck (and a lot of tax info doesn’t even get sent to them; if you own your own business forget the IRS knowing much) and when they inevitably screw up how many people are going to know they did? They’ll just get a letter saying they owe such and such and pay it, which they already do too often in my experience with the audit letters. You’d just be moving the private tax company stuff to doing a ton of “corrections” later on rather than preparing the taxes the first time. Other countries’ taxes are easier because they avoid a lot of the rules about what you can get adjustments/credits for; you’re going to have to burn down the US tax code and restart from scratch (with a highly different philosophy behind the design) to make it that easy to avoid missing something. Or just go whole hog and make tax prep a public service only; fund the IRS enough to hire all those preparers themselves and offer it for free. Can’t call it a bad idea really... im not the irs but if i had seen this scrawled across a 1040 in serial killer font, id charge you the max too
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madeintaipei posted:How much is it worth to you? I don't have much cash on me but if you send me your bank info I can liquidate a few hundred thousand worth of gold bars I have stored with Nigerian royalty.
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My dad contacted me about this, asking for etiquette advice on how to respond to a Japanese company. It looks like a repackaging scam. The company website has weird typos, no Japanese language pages, incomplete/fake office addresses and home numbers. I hope he listens to me and doesn't trust these guys.  quote:"Connection opportunity"
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I like the page with two different names like 5px away from one another, and "Need text here" notes. https://www.meh-jp.com/about/people/
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peanut posted:My dad contacted me about this, asking for etiquette advice on how to respond to a Japanese company. It looks like a repackaging scam. The company website has weird typos, no Japanese language pages, incomplete/fake office addresses and home numbers. I hope he listens to me and doesn't trust these guys. It's a standard scam. They ask for details and either use it for fraud in his name, or ask for a small payment to cover legal fees...which never stop and get bigger and end up luring him to the country and ransom for more money.
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Good but not best update. quote:The approach has seemed a bit weird to me too. No request for a resume yet, for instance. I’m playing along for now to see what’s next.
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zmcnulty posted:I like the page with two different names like 5px away from one another, and "Need text here" notes. They either have a great little scam network or that website is some scam template. https://www.google.com/search?q=Jason+Bradson+is+responsible+for+Financial+&client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
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Comstar posted:It's a standard scam. They ask for details and either use it for fraud in his name, or ask for a small payment to cover legal fees...which never stop and get bigger and end up luring him to the country and ransom for more money. It's actually probably the standard fake check scam, where they send you a payment, have you take 6% of it and pass the rest off to someone else, and then the bank comes after you when the payment doesn't clear.
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COMPLIANCE SPECIALIST Steeve West OCCUPANCY Many Reed HUMAN RESOURCES Seal Weak
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EL BROMANCE posted:COMPLIANCE SPECIALIST 
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Yes! I had the exact same mental image when I posted. Love that list.
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Newman's Own products are a scam; even if his entire charity weren't a tax dodge/PR campaign like basically every charity in existence, they range in quality from bad to mediocre.
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natural sodas
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cool ranch luke butch cassidy and the sun dried tomato goatsestretchgoals fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Jul 9, 2019 |
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The only Newman's Own product I've ever tried was the salad dressing, and it was… about the same as any other bottled dressing. Actually I don't understand why anyone buys bottled dressing when it's so easy to make yourself. It's just two ingredients, a fat plus an acid, plus some seasonings. And if you're lazy you can get pre-blended herb packets for less than a buck. That's actually my main complaint about a lot of packaged foods, you pay 600% markup for incredibly simple and common ingredients that aren't even all that convenient. A bottle of olive oil can be used for an infinite number of purposes in the kitchen and can be stored in a cupboard, but bottled salad dressing is single purpose and takes up space in the fridge. So the actual scam is packaged/prepared foods.
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If you can't convince yourself to forgo pre-packaged salad dressings or juices or other pre-prepared and packaged products, the 0,01% already own your rear end. All because you're too lazy to go without even the slightest bit of "convenience".
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Jul 9, 2019 18:12
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Newman’s Own limeade is drat good and is usually on sale for $1.50 for a half gallon where I’m at.
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I'm visiting the states and bought a SIM for roaming and holy gently caress the loving robocalls. No wonder people are constantly shooting the place up, I'm about to go on a killing spree because I can't use my goddamn phone.
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greazeball posted:I'm visiting the states and bought a SIM for roaming and holy gently caress the loving robocalls. No wonder people are constantly shooting the place up, I'm about to go on a killing spree because I can't use my goddamn phone. Block all non contacts, that's what everybody does
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i think the only people left in america who don't use voicemail to screen unknown numbers are the parents of young children
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i have a question. my doctor's office requires that i leave a message for the staff when i need to request a prescription refill. for the past three months (once a month), whenever i leave my phone number and turn my ringer on expecting a call back, i get one or two robocalls the same day. once is a fluke, twice is odd, but three seems to be a pattern. is someone at the office doing something shady? i should mention that i don't get my prescription on the same exact day every month, either
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Jul 9, 2019 20:25
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Might be using a speech to text service that is doing something shady.
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robocalls are auto-dialed. no scammer is going to waste good money paying someone in an office to dump them a few dozen or hundred "good" numbers when they can set their auto-dialer to do it for free
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goatsestretchgoals posted:Might be using a speech to text service that is doing something shady. next time i'll just say "my phone number is in my file" and see what happens Lutha Mahtin posted:robocalls are auto-dialed. no scammer is going to waste good money paying someone in an office to dump them a few dozen or hundred "good" numbers when they can set their auto-dialer to do it for free but wouldn't it be a decent way to get numbers they absolutely know are live, that very day?
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bad posts ahead!!! posted:next time i'll just say "my phone number is in my file" and see what happens They absolutely do not care about that. It's a number game and the best/cheapest way to do it is to just dial every number ever with an autodialer.
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bad posts ahead!!! posted:next time i'll just say "my phone number is in my file" and see what happens robodialers can call thousands of numbers a second. paying shady office workers money for a handful of numbers is worse than that in a ton of important ways: -it's not as many numbers -the shady employee has every incentive to give you extra fake numbers to pad their pay -the numbers might be equal or worse to dialing randomly -you have to pay up front for the numbers -you have to set up an extra payroll system and pay people to administer it, and also pay people to recruit and manage the shady office workers -it requires you to break more laws and creates a bigger paper trail that law enforcement can use to track you down there are probably more reasons but those are the ones i could think of off the top of my head
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yeah, makes sense now that i think about it more.
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