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I was gonna say is he testing unused material from 4 years ago but drat trump time
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Love to go from woke Nice Guy to Anti-SJW after even the slightest pushback for my bad behavior
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Jul 10, 2019 16:33
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aware of dog posted:Love to go from woke Nice Guy to Anti-SJW after even the slightest pushback for my bad behavior Hey, it worked for Louis CK! ...oh, wait. Whoops!
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Jul 11, 2019 00:45
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Alan Smithee posted:I was gonna say is he testing unused material from 4 years ago but drat trump time Wait that dress? The one a white girl took to prom and Twitter had a gigantic meltdown?
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Jul 11, 2019 01:51
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okay I looked it up and apparently it was from may 2018 which is basically 4 years ago
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Jul 11, 2019 04:54
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Stand up comedy is great because it allows the practitioner to be on the bold, cutting edge of comedy and culture. It sucks because most of the most famous practitioners have reached the point where they really don't want to and never will. Asiz Ansari sucks.
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Jul 11, 2019 08:44
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Jul 11, 2019 18:09
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And furthermore jerry Seinfeld thinks safe zones on college campuses are
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Jul 11, 2019 18:15
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quote:In his new show, he does Louis C.K. few favors by defending him limply. He also speaks up for Kevin Hart who, in his telling, lived a blameless life when his dream of hosting the Oscars was dashed because of a few tweets. And after litigating the case of Michael Jackson on specials in 2004 and 2017, he does so again here, telling his audience not to watch the recent HBO documentary, “Leaving Neverland,” in which two men who accused Jackson of sexual abuse speak out. Chappelle says he doesn’t believe them, and then adds that he has no evidence, before sputtering that even if the pop star was guilty, “he’s Michael Jackson.”
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Jul 11, 2019 18:26
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Going to a Dave Chapelle comedy show and then writing down all of his jokes as though they are real ideas that he is genuinely promoting is a bad look
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Jul 11, 2019 18:36
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Bust Rodd posted:Going to a Dave Chapelle comedy show and then writing down all of his jokes as though they are real ideas that he is genuinely promoting is a bad look
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Jul 11, 2019 18:59
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Bust Rodd posted:Going to a Dave Chapelle comedy show and then writing down all of his jokes as though they are real ideas that he is genuinely promoting is a bad look Dave Chappelle's jokes have consistently been from the same lovely perspective for years now. He's not being ironically transphobic (as if that were a defense), he just likes making fun of trans people. He's not making some grander point about defending sex offenders, he's just defending them.
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Jul 11, 2019 19:07
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what is it about stand up in particular that makes people still try the 'it's not lovely, it's ironically lovely' defense
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Jul 11, 2019 19:09
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Brother Entropy posted:what is it about stand up in particular that makes people still try the 'it's not lovely, it's ironically lovely' defense
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Jul 11, 2019 19:12
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Bust Rodd posted:a bad look regardless of how we feel about terrible stand-up routines can we all please, please agree to stop using this loving phrase
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Jul 11, 2019 19:14
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LividLiquid posted:People not knowing what a power dynamic is and believing that if something's a joke, it's definitely okay and should be defended. sitcoms have jokes too but i can't see people constantly trying to carry water if one of those said some of the poo poo chapelle keeps saying the past couple of years
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Jul 11, 2019 19:15
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Brother Entropy posted:what is it about stand up in particular that makes people still try the 'it's not lovely, it's ironically lovely' defense Because people don't like to realize that they're bigots because they find bigoted jokes funny.
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Jul 11, 2019 19:17
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opinion that will probably get me some flak: Chappelle would probably be getting away with it just fine if he was the comedian he was 15 years ago, but he's not.
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Jul 11, 2019 19:20
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Brother Entropy posted:sitcoms have jokes too but i can't see people constantly trying to carry water if one of those said some of the poo poo chapelle keeps saying the past couple of years
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Jul 11, 2019 19:21
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GrandpaPants posted:Because people don't like to realize that they're bigots because they find bigoted jokes funny.
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Jul 11, 2019 19:22
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:opinion that will probably get me some flak: Chappelle would probably be getting away with it just fine if he was the comedian he was 15 years ago, but he's not. my favorite Dave Chappelle joke from his Netflix specials was when he said: "i'm very rich now, and i know celebrities." then he banged his microphone against his leg. i needed emergency surgery for my busted guts 
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Jul 11, 2019 19:22
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LividLiquid posted:South Park. hell even south park has been walking back some of the bad poo poo in its history recently chappelle meanwhile is still trying to do the 'on the jury of MJ' skit from his show, at a time when that stopped being funny for a shitton of people
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Jul 11, 2019 19:25
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The MJ thing is happening not even to be funny. People really don't believe those guys at all.
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Jul 11, 2019 19:30
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:opinion that will probably get me some flak: Chappelle would probably be getting away with it just fine if he was the comedian he was 15 years ago, but he's not. You can get away with saying a whole lot of transgressive things if you're funny. That's how the whole idea of comedy works. But first, you have to be funny.
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Jul 11, 2019 19:52
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exquisite tea posted:You can get away with saying a whole lot of transgressive things if you're funny. That's how the whole idea of comedy works. But first, you have to be funny. I feel like I've made variations of this same post like 5 times now itt but it's 100% true. This has always been a part of stand-up comedy, it's why guys who make their living on the edge and maybe give up the chance to do sitcoms or corporate gigs are more respected among comedians. It's because you know you're taking a risk, it takes more confidence because you need to be very very sure that your material is actually funny. If it isn't, you get poo poo on. That's the way it is and it's the way it's always been.
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Jul 11, 2019 19:57
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You know who doesn’t have a sex scandal? Clean comedian dan nainan Who isn’t defending creep lords? Clean comedian dan nainan
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Jul 11, 2019 20:18
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Alan Smithee posted:You know who doesn’t have a sex scandal? You know who's 20 years older than he claims? Clean comedian Dan Nainan
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Jul 11, 2019 20:19
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It's not even that working clean is easier, it's not. It's probably harder to be funny if you work clean but the important thing is that it comes with no risk. Nobody cares if Jerry Seinfeld's new bit about Keurigs or whatever bombs, they forget about it 5 minutes later.
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Jul 11, 2019 20:21
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Punching up will always be better received than punching down as well.
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Jul 11, 2019 20:25
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ImpAtom posted:Punching up will always be better received than punching down as well. it may be "ethically preferable" but i'm not sure that's the same thing as "better received"
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Jul 11, 2019 20:28
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I listen to a lot of stand up comedians podcasts and many of them come across as insular and very protective of each other. People linked Pete Holmes take on Louis CK earlier but he’s downright enlightened compared to some of his peers
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Jul 11, 2019 20:41
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sponges posted:I listen to a lot of stand up comedians podcasts and many of them come across as insular and very protective of each other. People linked Pete Holmes take on Louis CK earlier but he’s downright enlightened compared to some of his peers Yeah, you definitely get the feeling that they're performing for each other and hold the audience in contempt.
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Jul 11, 2019 20:45
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I don't think it's incumbent upon a comedian to punch up, or down, or in any intentional direction. I think part of what makes comedy so valuable is that you sometimes get to explore really dark or transgressive thoughts that wouldn't be germane to any other kind of polite discussion, and in laughing at the shock of those thoughts being mentioned out loud, you're somewhat able to re-orient your own moral compass. BUT I think "what is funny" is also a constantly shifting landscape, subject to even the slightest changes in culture and social attitudes, and a skilled comedian has to continually adapt their routine to match the mood of the times.
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Jul 11, 2019 20:57
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exquisite tea posted:I don't think it's incumbent upon a comedian to punch up, or down, or in any intentional direction. I think part of what makes comedy so valuable is that you sometimes get to explore really dark or transgressive thoughts that wouldn't be germane to any other kind of polite discussion, and in laughing at the shock of those thoughts being mentioned out loud, you're somewhat able to re-orient your own moral compass. BUT I think "what is funny" is also a constantly shifting landscape, subject to even the slightest changes in culture and social attitudes, and a skilled comedian has to continually adapt their routine to match the mood of the times. Yeah, some comics are transgressive in order to push satirical boundaries and speak truth to power, some comics are transgressive because they're thinly disguised bigots who enjoy punching down, some are transgressive just for the sake of being transgressive (which can really easily slide into 'edgy' territory if they're not all that original)
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Jul 11, 2019 21:16
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Yeah, you definitely get the feeling that they're performing for each other and hold the audience in contempt. Comedians are generally hosed up people and they're rarely doing the work for you. They often find each others' acts boring, and socially and mentally they can be involved in a lot of self-destructive behavior. quote:Stevens' sets could be puzzling, riddled with mundane details — the consistency of a stick of celery he had eaten for lunch, the shot of apple cider vinegar he'd taken that morning with his daily dose of Lamictal or Lexapro, how much he had paid for a bag of kibble at Petco for his mother's dog, Daisy. Like Andy Kaufman, Stevens could make you laugh by shouting at you. Sometimes he just stood onstage and drummed on the back of a chair until it became funny. He did an entire set while earnestly swinging a set of kettle bells. He once spent 45 minutes of a two-hour set trying to convince an audience member to guess who he had pitched against in college, shouting: "Who. Did. I. Pitch. Against?" No one knew, of course, and it didn't matter. He varied his rhythms "like a great fighter works the body instead of just the head," says Hinchcliffe. One of his jokes asserted that while he was not a part of the mile-high club, he did once jerk off on a Ferris wheel. "You'd think, 'OK, that's a joke,' " says Kremer. "But then he'd go, 'At the L.A. County Fair. During the Sugar Ray concert.' And you're like, 'Maybe he did.' " quote:Tabori says many comedians grapple with how much to reveal onstage about their mental health struggles. "I wouldn't say they're the happiest people," she says. "A lot will say being onstage is their therapy. I always correct them and say that it's therapeutic, but it's not therapy." Galifianakis often told Stevens that the comedy community would "always be forgiving" of mental obstacles. "If there is a profession where it is kind of par for the course to have a mental issue, it is in this one," says Galifianakis. "I think good comedians are sensitive people. Brody certainly was." https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/inside-comedian-brody-stevens-tragic-death-1219210
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Jul 11, 2019 21:34
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Brian Regan works clean and he's loving hilarious. I wouldn't say John Mulaney is a vulgar comedian either. Jim Gaffigan too.
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Jul 11, 2019 21:48
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Davros1 posted:Brian Regan works clean and he's loving hilarious. I wouldn't say John Mulaney is a vulgar comedian either. Jim Gaffigan too. This can't be overstated. Gaffigan owns.
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Jul 11, 2019 21:53
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I don’t ever have to worry about Stewart Lee becoming dated/offensive because the only people he regularly rips into are stand-up comedians. Including himself.
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Jul 11, 2019 21:58
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Alan Smithee posted:You know who doesn’t have a sex scandal? If there's anybody who has a sex scandal hidden and waiting to come out, it's Dan Nainan.
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Gaffigan rules and is really loving pale. Like he jokes about it but it doesnt even come close in person. Also Regan rules as well.
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