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Some of their jokes are accidentally funny. My second favorite is when someone refers to the Chinese resturaunt owner as "a caucasian man pretending to be chinese." It's hilarious to me until I later saw an earlier episode that was all about him and some stupid adventure regarding that.
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FilthyImp posted:I swear Josie was some kind of love letter to the 98-01 era and is like a pitch perfect timecapsule of being a pre-911 teen. Then you might enjoy this Observer article about that very thing: Looking Back at ‘Josie and the Pussycats’: A Perfect Picture of 2000’s Music Revolution the article posted:I have a hard time explaining what a weird moment in time “the millennium” (1998-2001) was to people who were too young to really remember it. I was a teenager in the ‘90s, which meant I was a helpless part of the slacker rebellion, worshipping at the feet of grunge and alternative culture, rebelling against all manner of corporate influence from the safety of the cushiest time imaginable.
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The only good south park episode in the past several years is the one where everyone became convinced that drawing yaoi of someone turned them gay.
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Jul 12, 2019 03:42
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rodbeard posted:The only good south park episode in the past several years is the one where everyone became convinced that drawing yaoi of someone turned them gay. I have only seen, on the recommendation of someone here, the cellphone game episode, which I thought was informative.
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Jul 12, 2019 05:08
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rodbeard posted:The only good south park episode in the past several years is the one where everyone became convinced that drawing yaoi of someone turned them gay. the yaoi episode is extremely good. I hate south park but that episode is tops.
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Jul 12, 2019 05:39
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They solicited fan art for that episode. The better SP episodes are the ones where they deviate from the house style in some way, like the Ninjas episode or the WoW one. Though the Awesome-O 5000 episode is good just to watch Cartman be miserable.
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Jul 12, 2019 09:01
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FilthyImp posted:Though the Awesome-O 5000 episode is good just to watch Cartman be miserable. I do genuinely enjoy that episode, yeah. I come down hard on Stone and Parker because their politics really are reprehensible, but South Park is often good when they stick to fart jokes and silly poo poo like that. I'm also inordinately fond of the Cheesing episode.
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They can write funny jokes, and also catchy songs, but they are very dumb. They also do each episode start to finish in a week which is probably not great for creativity.
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What's everyone's thoughts on Book of Mormon? I caught it last week, I was blown away by the performances and production of it all but I think it's nowhere near as funny as it's made out to be, and some of the jokes leaned too into 'funny African people will silly voices' rather than the mormons being ignorant of real problems for me.
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Jul 12, 2019 12:42
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Barry Foster posted:
Their best stuff is when it's the kids doing kid stuff or episodes making fun of society in general (like the internet outage one.) When they make the show a soapbox for their politics, it's awful.
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Jul 12, 2019 13:08
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Annabel Pee posted:What's everyone's thoughts on Book of Mormon? I caught it last week, I was blown away by the performances and production of it all but I think it's nowhere near as funny as it's made out to be, and some of the jokes leaned too into 'funny African people will silly voices' rather than the mormons being ignorant of real problems for me. Probably in the same boat as stuff like Borat: it’s trying to make a bunch of points, but it’s using a lot of material that racists can find funny in a way the writers didn’t necessarily intend. Criticism focussed on the dramatic necessity of the Ugandans being portrayed as stereotypical African villagers, but it’s disingenuous to suggest that there are no people in Uganda with lives similar to those depicted in the play, or that Mormons do not have naive missionaries sent to places like northern Uganda. The message of the show is clearly not ‘people in Ooga Booga land are funny’ (I can hardly conceive of a person who would simultaneously think this was the show’s message and also pay the very steep ticket price for a Broadway or West End production), but rather that there is not much to be gained by patriarchalism and rote adherence to religious dogma, and that religion is progressively more useful the less literally it’s interpreted.
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The Book of Mormon is funny. The last South Park episodes I watched were the season where they introduced PC Principal, which was surprisingly funny considering the subject matter. The gentrification episode was really good.
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Jul 12, 2019 14:51
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PC Principal was a good character, but I'm not sure what they gained by making his SJW acolytes fratbros (other than more centrist 'Just as bad as!' bullshit).
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Annabel Pee posted:What's everyone's thoughts on Book of Mormon? I caught it last week, I was blown away by the performances and production of it all but I think it's nowhere near as funny as it's made out to be, and some of the jokes leaned too into 'funny African people will silly voices' rather than the mormons being ignorant of real problems for me. I saw it in 2013 and thought it was hilarious, and saw it again last year and thought it still had a lot of good moment but that others hadn't aged well (and also maybe I'd got better taste. But that seems unlikely).
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Torquemada posted:Probably in the same boat as stuff like Borat: it’s trying to make a bunch of points, but it’s using a lot of material that racists can find funny in a way the writers didn’t necessarily intend. Borat seems like an apt comparison. It does definitely play up the stereotypes to set up certain dramatic expectations and ultimately the central joke is that stereotypical reading gets everything completely wrong and the villagers were way savvier than they were made to seem, so it seems clear that the intent is to make fun of people who believe in Ooga Booga Land stereotypes... but in the meantime wow that's a lot of stereotypes for people to laugh at.
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Jul 12, 2019 15:37
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Casey Finnigan posted:Yeah but South Park is just bad at that, because they poo poo on redheads and also poo poo on people for being, like, Jewish, black, gay, trans, Chinese - just pick something you can't change about yourself. It's supposed to be equal opportunity mockery, but it amounted to being a big force for normalizing shittiness. Plus, they're just pretty bad at it - the jokes about the guy who runs the Chinese restaurant is like, "haha, we know nothing about China, at all, but this guy acts silly and has a weird accent." It's lazy poo poo and I don't really get how endlessly repeating stereotypes does... anything positive? The last time I watched South Park (which, admittedly was like 10 years ago), there was a part where some characters either went to China or interacted with Chinese people and the jokes were 100% "I'm so ashamed of my tiny, Asian penis. I am so jealous of your huge, American penis". It was pretty gross to me, even though it was still at a time when I was amused by dick jokes.
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Jul 12, 2019 16:11
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FilthyImp posted:PC Principal was a good character, but I'm not sure what they gained by making his SJW acolytes fratbros (other than more centrist 'Just as bad as!' bullshit). I don't know if it's much deeper than the basic concept of "it would be funny if fratbros acted like this"
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Jul 12, 2019 16:12
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I've never much liked South Park but even so I find myself figuring out where it's streaming once every few years to watch Scott Tenorman Must Die again. That is a hell of a funny episode.
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Jul 12, 2019 16:20
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King of Foolians posted:The last time I watched South Park (which, admittedly was like 10 years ago), there was a part where some characters either went to China or interacted with Chinese people and the jokes were 100% "I'm so ashamed of my tiny, Asian penis. I am so jealous of your huge, American penis". It was pretty gross to me, even though it was still at a time when I was amused by dick jokes. I want to say this was when they were trying to get the Japanese to stop killing whales and dolphins for no reason at all. The Japanese government officials they went to complain to literally used that phrase to confuse, disarm, and flatter the Americans into giving up and wandering off feeling like they accomplished something when literally nothing was accomplished. It's less a literal "ahahahaha asians have tiny dicks" thing and more of a "look at how loving stupid these people are and how easily they got played like a fiddle" thing. I could be horribly wrong, but that's what I recall. Pretty sure the Japanese officials even laugh about how well it works and how stupid the protesters are later because of it.
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Jul 12, 2019 16:22
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Yeah that was the joke, they were able to get away with absolutely anything just by complimenting Americans' penis size first. YMMV whether that's still perpetuating the stereotype anyway, but the actual joke was about male ego and being easily manipulated.
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Jul 12, 2019 16:27
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King of Foolians posted:The last time I watched South Park (which, admittedly was like 10 years ago), there was a part where some characters either went to China or interacted with Chinese people and the jokes were 100% "I'm so ashamed of my tiny, Asian penis. I am so jealous of your huge, American penis". It was pretty gross to me, even though it was still at a time when I was amused by dick jokes. The ‘Chinpokomon’ episode, unless I miss my guess. I don’t remember the joke being that Asian people had small dicks; the joke was that by reassuring American men that their dicks were the biggest, they had nothing to fear from the ruthlessly acquisitive, technologically superior, inscrutable orientals. Who were in fact Japanese. e: kind of beaten
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Jul 12, 2019 16:28
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You could make the same joke without making it come from a Charlie Chan level racist caricature though.
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As someone said earlier the best episodes are when they remember that they're all kids. I've stopped watching South Park but I still think those episodes are funny as hell. Off the top of my head the Lord of the Rings porno tape, the boys trying to steal one of those paper fortune tellers from the girls, and the STD episode that descends into a whole Boys vs. Girls war cause they don't understand how you actually get an STD are great.
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Zebulon posted:I want to say this was when they were trying to get the Japanese to stop killing whales and dolphins for no reason at all. The Japanese government officials they went to complain to literally used that phrase to confuse, disarm, and flatter the Americans into giving up and wandering off feeling like they accomplished something when literally nothing was accomplished. It's less a literal "ahahahaha asians have tiny dicks" thing and more of a "look at how loving stupid these people are and how easily they got played like a fiddle" thing. I could be horribly wrong, but that's what I recall. Pretty sure the Japanese officials even laugh about how well it works and how stupid the protesters are later because of it. It's been ages since I watched South Park, but didn't they do the same thing early on in the Pokemon episode, which ended up with Stan's Dad (among others) calling the Japanese guy out on his small penis only for his to drop his pants and prove it?
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duck trucker posted:As someone said earlier the best episodes are when they remember that they're all kids. I've stopped watching South Park but I still think those episodes are funny as hell. Off the top of my head the Lord of the Rings porno tape, the boys trying to steal one of those paper fortune tellers from the girls, and the STD episode that descends into a whole Boys vs. Girls war cause they don't understand how you actually get an STD are great.  Also this discussion has made me realize that the Chinpokomon episode of South Park was around 20 years ago 
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Iron Crowned posted:
During Jeremy Lin's breakout season, 2012/13 in the midst of all the positive press a relatively high level sports journalist made a small penis joke about him. So making small penis jokes in the late 90s and not doing it again actually puts South Park further ahead of professional newswriters in that regard.
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South Park is not immune to having good jokes every now and then but they have a major bad habit of doing something lovely and ignorant, saying "isn't this so lovely and ignorant?" and then just continuing to do it. One of the only black characters, (especially since Chef left the show about a decade ago, by being mauled by wolves) on the show is a kid named Token Black. The joke is, "like typical white showrunners, we stuck only a single black character in the show, and he's a side character who's mostly viewed by all the other characters through the lens of stereotypes." Okay, I guess, but now around twenty years later... one of the only black characters on the show is a side character named Token Black. They're just doing exactly what they criticize. They also just suck at having coherent messages. In their video game, the "difficulty slider" changes the color of your skin. Darker skin = more difficult in everything outside of combat, because of racism. That's some commentary, right? Well, the slider is just cosmetic and doesn't change anything about difficulty. So what are they even trying to say? Casey Finnigan has a new favorite as of 20:01 on Jul 12, 2019 |
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Kyle's girlfriend Nichole a few seasons was black and she stuck around but predictably mostly as a background character. Iirc Cartman spent the whole episode trying to break them up because he was shipping her with Token because obviously the only two black kids should date.
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Casey Finnigan posted:They also just suck at having coherent messages. In their video game, the "difficulty slider" changes the color of your skin. Darker skin = more difficult in everything outside of combat, because of racism. That's some commentary, right? Well, the slider is just cosmetic and doesn't change anything about difficulty. So what are they even trying to say? Didn't they do that again with transgenderism in the sequel?
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duck trucker posted:As someone said earlier the best episodes are when they remember that they're all kids. I've stopped watching South Park but I still think those episodes are funny as hell. Off the top of my head the Lord of the Rings porno tape, the boys trying to steal one of those paper fortune tellers from the girls, and the STD episode that descends into a whole Boys vs. Girls war cause they don't understand how you actually get an STD are great. To be fair that's just American sex ed. They teach abstinence and how if you wait until marriage you'll never get and STD or an unexpected pregnancy. But never any other mechanics of how it works.
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Barry Foster posted:I do genuinely enjoy that episode, yeah.
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The best South Park episode I've seen was also my first one, where they try get a pig and elephant to gently caress (since pig and elephant DNA do not mix in a lab).
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Len posted:To be fair that's just American sex ed. They teach abstinence and how if you wait until marriage you'll never get and STD or an unexpected pregnancy. But never any other mechanics of how it works. Maybe in the Deep South, but that's certainly not the case everywhere (or even the majority).
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Well at least generation Z can enjoy the gross out humor and complete lack of politics in Big Mouth. I put that on with my daughter in the room thinking it was just a cartoon about middle schoolers that she could relate to. She related to it alright. Didn't make it any less awkward. Toshimo posted:Maybe in the Deep South, but that's certainly not the case everywhere (or even the majority). They sideload the abstinence in the South now. It's not a part of the official curriculum, but a special guest speaker will show up and give all the kids ATM cards (Abstinence Till Marriage). You still get your god fearing education, but there's plausible deniability from the school district. Kind of like that other special guest to the after school program who brought Bibles for everyone. Krispy Wafer has a new favorite as of 22:33 on Jul 12, 2019 |
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i feel like it was not even 2 years ago that the forums were praising south park for being the only show that could still navigate modern issues with enough finesse to stay relevant but still cutting and satirical i don't watch the show myself, just an observation of a... decline, maybe?
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Toshimo posted:Maybe in the Deep South, but that's certainly not the case everywhere (or even the majority). Dunno about there but that was Northeast Ohio circa early 2000s. We also had a pudding demonstration because once John (chocolate pudding) sleeps with Jane (vanilla pudding) their puddings mix. And that if they ever break up and John gets with Sandy (butterscotch) then she's had sex with everyone John did (becomes a chocolate, butterscotch, vanilla mixture) Also a guy my junior year caught Chlamydia and legitimately was like "eh that's just a thing that happens when you have sex a lot" Edit: oh god I remember the ATM cards. Three days of 8th grade civics classes were dedicated to this woman and ended with a teary story about how she had sex and felt bad about it so decided to become a, I forget the actual term, born again virgin and kept it till marriage from that point on. Len has a new favorite as of 22:37 on Jul 12, 2019 |
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hard counter posted:i feel like it was not even 2 years ago that the forums were praising south park for being the only show that could still navigate modern issues with enough finesse to stay relevant but still cutting and satirical or maybe people realizing that a poo poo show was always poo poo despite pretensions to satire and its bigotry being ironic and therefore harmless
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or maybe we're becoming the old out of touch pearl clutching boomers that we despise so much
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:or maybe we're becoming the old out of touch pearl clutching boomers that we despise so much too much star trek for that
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:or maybe we're becoming the old out of touch pearl clutching boomers that we despise so much I mean the creators of South Park have been the out of touch boomers since the mid 2000. I think the audience fr SP hasn’t really changed from the late 90s
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