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Jul 14, 2019 05:58
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Hangman Page’s toughness stunned half the crowd into fearful silence. I don’t know what match you were watching.
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Jul 14, 2019 06:00
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Gonz posted:So, like Cowboy Bob Orton but bad knees instead of a broken arm? more like DDP with the tape around his torso, without any of the charisma
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Jul 14, 2019 06:01
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Page was fantastic in the G1 last year and most of his New Japan stuff. He also had an insane match against Jeff Cobb at Final Battle last year. That was probably the best match of the night of a lot of great matches including an insane Ladder War with the Bucks, Broscoes and SCU. That Ladder War is what makes me fear this ladder match with the Bucks and Lucha Bros. Nick took the worst bump I have ever seen in person and I was convinced he died 5 feet from me. Pretty much everyone right there was freaked out badly for awhile.
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Jul 14, 2019 06:03
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Page still sucks Jericho's still the right choice for the first champ to lose it to Moxley during TNT Kenny's still going to have a losing record in singles matches going into TNT "So far so good" is my opinion on the current trajectory
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Jul 14, 2019 06:05
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Why didn’t Pageman ride out on a horse? With a lasso?
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Jul 14, 2019 06:05
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Adam Page just wrestled a match with his ACL in his tonsils. That match was gross leg porn beauty. MOTY Also Marvez took something that peaked and wore off during commentary. He got real weird. I liked it. Get weirder Marvez.
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Jul 14, 2019 06:08
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Hace posted:whats aew Not much whats aew with you?
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Jul 14, 2019 06:11
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Marvez sucked the energy out of the booth for me. It would honestly be better if he's not there. Give him a backstage role or something because he adds nothing to the team that Excalibur isn't bringing. Outside of that, it was an enjoyable show and one which I think will be close to the pacing and tone of Dynamite when it hits TNT. Some awesome matches (along with some that were just okay but still advanced storylines), good promos, and a nice sense of variety from top to bottom.
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Jul 14, 2019 06:13
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Page needs to have better matches or be in the ring with workers that can carry him because it seems like the reaction for him and Jericho at ALL OUT seems tepid. He may have shown that he's a good worker during the G1 and an ROH stint but for those who haven't seen that stuff, his AEW work leaves something to be desired. Given that there are no more cards till ALL OUT, I don't know how Page builds momentum for that match. Cuts on BTE isn't going to cut it, in my opinion. ...I had a thought...isn't Page being pushed too much, too fast? I'm getting Roman flashbacks.
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Jul 14, 2019 06:16
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Marvez I think would be better suited in a mean gene/Jeremy borash role, doing ringside interviews and backstage correspondance and video packages and such.
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Jul 14, 2019 06:16
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Marvez could really shine as a member of the ring crew. He’s suspiciously good at tearing things down.
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Jul 14, 2019 06:19
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Marvez makes me feel like we owe Mike Adamle an apology.TV Zombie posted:...I had a thought...isn't Page being pushed too much, too fast? I'm getting Roman flashbacks. Page and Roman both had a plan towards their big pushes that hit a big road bump (Pac's issues, Roman's appendix) and they went through with it anyway.
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Jul 14, 2019 06:24
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hangman is maybe the blandest character in aew right now. aside from the build to a match that didnt happen, where they just called him fat for a couple months (??) it feels like his defining characteristic is "has a lot of potential to be a main eventer" and thats boring. i think he's good at wrestling and seems like he can talk but wow they gotta figure out some sort of hook for him if they want him to be a main player. liked the show overall. sonny kiss rules, the 3 way tag was super fun, the women's tag was real good outside of britt's brain fart, luchas vs scu was real good and im starting to really turn around on scu after being kinda "meh" on it at first. kenny v cima was super good and the main was solid, even though im starting to understand ppl who dont like the bucks more with every match. the 6 man was honestly my highlight, it was just non-stop and made everyone involved look like a star. nothing really to complain about, brandi/allie was fine and brandi is better than the reputation she had when she first debuted, not, like, a world beater but better. and yeah, hangman/sabian was also there, just felt like filler which isnt what your potential first champion's match should be. the only thing i remember from it really is kip giving a little kiss to some dipshit trying to get himself over at ringside. oh, i do have one complaint - stop doing the jericho in a mask thing. it was awesome when he had the bushi mask, it was p good when he did full penta cosplay, and it looked like dogshit when he came out in underarmor wearing an indie trainee's mask and also didn't make a lick of sense. why would a dark order guy be there, you just did it because jericho has worn fake masks recently.
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Jul 14, 2019 06:25
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Replay is up at b/r live!
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Jul 14, 2019 06:25
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Gavok posted:
I wonder how they course-correct that with Page, it at all. Still curious as to the lack of donation button for a charity show unless the people in charge would have thought that would have been too distracting/pandering.
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Jul 14, 2019 06:27
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TV Zombie posted:Page needs to have better matches or be in the ring with workers that can carry him because it seems like the reaction for him and Jericho at ALL OUT seems tepid. He may have shown that he's a good worker during the G1 and an ROH stint but for those who haven't seen that stuff, his AEW work leaves something to be desired. Given that there are no more cards till ALL OUT, I don't know how Page builds momentum for that match. Cuts on BTE isn't going to cut it, in my opinion. Page was groomed to be a champion in NJPW and RoH for the last several years. If anything the build for him has been too slow. Again he has had a handful of matches this year. His match against PAC was a banger, if that was on DoN like it was supposed to be we wouldn’t be having this conversation. I will admit that him in the battle royal, that four way and tonight were not top tier matches from him or the best way to use him. Jericho had the match against Kenny which was good and came out looking better. The problem is that other than other members of the Elite or SCU who are all face right now there is no one for him to feud with that is on that level. I do think that AEW could use another person or two at the top of the card and there is likely another surprise or two there coming. The mid card is stacked and there will be some people who rise out of that. MJF, Darby and Spears look like they will do that right now but it will take some time. The tag and womens divisions looks crazy though. The Bucks and Kenny are killing it with both.
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Jul 14, 2019 06:28
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If the Page push fails, copy the Naito thing but instead of sending him to Mexico to join Los Ingobernables, send him to Shanghai to join #STRONGHEARTS. They've turned T-Hawk from a bland guy in Dragon Gate to a cool and good champion in Wrestle-1.
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Jul 14, 2019 06:31
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send page to japan, have him come back with a samurai gimmick
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Jul 14, 2019 06:32
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I love the Dark Order personally but the crowds aggressively do not give a poo poo about them and they probably shouldn't have won tonight.
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Jul 14, 2019 06:32
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10 bucks for a 16oz Coors light at dailys place , my contributions alone will prevent at least three gun violences
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Jul 14, 2019 06:36
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I like the Dark Order because they remind me of a modern day Laurel and Hardy
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Jul 14, 2019 06:36
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Well F4W has spoken so we can end the Marvez debate once and for all:F4W posted:Alex Marvez, who has been a lot better on this show
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Jul 14, 2019 06:37
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At least with Leva Bates it took people a few days to convince themselves that she was actually great, it's impressive its gone so quickly with Marvez now
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Jul 14, 2019 06:40
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I'm sympathetic to the fact that Page has a body of work in ROH and NJPW that he has fans from and that probably inspired AEW to pick him for this spot and that the PAC situation derailed his AEW push and maybe if that match had happened we'd all be believers. But I think there's probably a reality that while AEW's audience has a lot of ROH and NJPW viewers in it, its also got a lot of people who aren't sold on Page. And I think it can be simultaneously true that: (a) Page is totally capable of being a world champ and was primed in ROH/NJPW. (b) Page's AEW push went to hell through no fault of his own. (c) Giving Page the belt right now is a gamble. I don't think its something that will make or break AEW or anything. AEW seems like it could be carried by tag teams and joshi alone for awhile. But it obviously won't be ideal if AEW's first champ is cold and needing to prove himself, or if he drops the belt without ever proving himself. So I say just give the belt to Jericho and have him drop him to Omega or Moxley. Then do Omega/Moxley as your first true marquee feud.
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Jul 14, 2019 06:41
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CombineThresher posted:I love the Dark Order personally but the crowds aggressively do not give a poo poo about them and they probably shouldn't have won tonight. I think it was a mistake to not showcase them if they were getting the bye. They are a great, great team but most of the audience has no idea who they are or what they do. Granted their match was the best of the night. Everyone involved was good but it seems like Stu and Uno wanted to make the other guys look great instead of them which is very unselfish of them but it defeated the purpose of them getting the bye. Them versus Best Friends is going to be crazy though. If they get to the Bucks I am pretty sure they will kill each other. Last time I saw them have a match in Toronto was one of the best tag matches I had ever seen.
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Jul 14, 2019 06:46
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let's say you do have hangman as your first champ, and his first feud is with mox because he's a bit more heelish than omega you're kidding yourself if you dont think the fanbase is going to cheer overwhelmingly for mox in that feud and just absolutely sink hangman as a "top guy"
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Jul 14, 2019 06:47
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STAC Goat posted:I'm sympathetic to the fact that Page has a body of work in ROH and NJPW that he has fans from and that probably inspired AEW to pick him for this spot and that the PAC situation derailed his AEW push and maybe if that match had happened we'd all be believers. Oh I am sure Jericho is going to win the belt. It makes more sense for that to happen. He has built it up with the whole “AEW wouldn’t be a thing if it weren’t for me” shtick. Jericho will get some mainstream attention and get a lot of lapsed fans to watch at first. Page needs to have a chase, which is something that WWE couldn’t get right with Roman. He will lose and use that to get over with the crowd. The is more benefit to failure right now that success for him.
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Jul 14, 2019 06:52
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https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1150263102560178176?s=19
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Jul 14, 2019 06:54
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NowonSA posted:Well F4W has spoken so we can end the Marvez debate once and for all: I always said Marvez was great and nobody wanted to listen
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Jul 14, 2019 06:55
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shiksa posted:let's say you do have hangman as your first champ, and his first feud is with mox because he's a bit more heelish than omega Why would his first feud be with Moxley instead of MJF, the guy who's obviously being primed to be a feud for him in the future? Nobody on earth is going to cheer MJF and everyone knows it. In any case, Jericho is winning at All Out anyways.
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Jul 14, 2019 06:56
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uno looks like a backyarder named clint who isn't trained and put together some very lovely attire out of what he had laying around. when i say that he looks like poo poo in the future, it's not about his weight. please keep this in mind from now on
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Jul 14, 2019 06:56
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My problem with Adam Page is that I really don't think there is room in wrestling to center a show around a generic-rear end Dude-rear end Dude anymore. Like you think about the show The Expanse and everyone hates Holden but he made a great straightman who was willing to get pissed off and had some emotion, but he was still the straight-man all the craziness centered around - however, he didn't overshadow the characters and plot and moments of that show that went above and beyond, and let everyone grow so attached to. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dn76ZPt_Y0 The straightman not being the central catalyst to that moment makes it work so well. It gives you loving chills and there's so much buildup over fuckin' years that when that door shuts you're trapped in a permanent oh gently caress mode. "I am that guy" is loving delivered so well it blows so many loving Hollywood blockbuster shitshows and half-assed "prestige" television dramas out of the loving water. And AEW has grown enough unique characters like A Boy & His Luchasaurus, the Lucha Brothers, etc. that they don't need a boring "straightman." Their side characters, like Expanse, are so much harder hitters. It makes me think of like Prince Puma (Ricochet) in Lucha Underground - he was the central protagonist in a way, but he had so much of his own character, charisma, energy - he had an incredible look as well. And he had a loving incredible, awe inspiring heel to go up against - THE MAN OF A THOUSAND DEATHS for gently caress's sake. I mean just loving look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DftXDzciZFg Honestly I don't think Jericho is bringing enough to the table to really make Page feel like that underdog, and it bums me the hell out. I hope Jericho makes mincemeat of him - I'll be rooking for the loving Fozzy dipshit at All Out. And I'm worried that I probably shouldn't be.
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Jul 14, 2019 07:01
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If AEW needs more main eventers they should push The Future of Wrestling, T-Hawk.
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Jul 14, 2019 07:06
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Draxion posted:Why would his first feud be with Moxley instead of MJF, the guy who's obviously being primed to be a feud for him in the future? Nobody on earth is going to cheer MJF and everyone knows it. i mean yeah of course jericho's going to win. the problem with doing a hangman/mjf feud for the world title right now is that they are both midcarders who should not be feuding for the world title right now. mjf is gonna be a great heel for aew/wherever he ends up working, but he's also a relative unknown right now and they really really shouldn't be basing world title feuds on a brand new television show for a brand new company around two guys that no one except hardcore wrestling fans know. hangman is 27, mjf is 23, at this point last year hangman was getting noticed for the first time as someone who could actually work and mjf was wrestling rickey shane page for the czw title. im not saying they're not good - well i am saying page is a little bland - im just saying they shouldn't be "main event" guys at this point, especially if you're trying to build a company and not just book something that'll get forums posters like us jazzed. if aew had an ic belt or whatever mjf and hangman should absolutely be feuding for that but alas e: "yeah, of course jericho's going to win" is another big ol problem for your ppv right as tv starts but im not gonna keep making GBS threads all over hangman page shiksa fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Jul 14, 2019 |
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Jul 14, 2019 07:08
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If Jericho just loving stomps Page all for the purpose of CM Punk's melodramatic return I would far prefer that to whatever the long-term plan with Page as a central star would be
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Jul 14, 2019 07:11
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Weekly TV will help a ton of people out. Hangman has been great on BTE basically since he first appeared. His story with Joey Ryan was fantastic. Once his personality and how goofy, naturally funny and likeable he is comes out he will be fine. MJF is going to be top heel in the business for years to come. That is if he doesn’t get scooped up by Hollywood at some point. I have talked about with friends awhile back but if Cornette broke into the business in the late 90s he would have been in Hollywood. Same with Heenan. It’s a shame they came too early in some respects.
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Jul 14, 2019 07:15
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Jul 14, 2019 07:17
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tony khan is a huge loving dweeb and i love him
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Draxion posted:Why would his first feud be with Moxley instead of MJF, the guy who's obviously being primed to be a feud for him in the future? Nobody on earth is going to cheer MJF and everyone knows it. Mox is arguably a hotter hand than MJF now, so how could you not have the hottest act wrestle your champ? TV Zombie fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Jul 14, 2019 |
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