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Helicity posted:what are the non-linux x systems doing? i cant see theo de raadt going all in on the wayland train to appease the 200 openbsd desktop users the BSDs will drive X forward as they once did
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eschaton posted:the BSDs will drive X forward what a sad thought
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Jul 20, 2019 17:39
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sounds like something a System V apologist would say
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Jul 20, 2019 19:01
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btw just got my McKusick discs last night, full of tasty UNIX history, including Mach!
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Jul 20, 2019 19:02
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NeWS was junk, so of course nobody ported their apps to it
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:an instructive tale: But the main toolkits are ALREADY ported to Wayland my dude. A bunch of stuff runs native on Wayland right now. Helps that that doesnt involve having to rewrite everything in PostScript of course, and one reason for that is modern X11 and Wayland are both fundamentally pretty similar - 'give me a shared memory framebuffer, let me draw into it and composit it however you like'. Old X11 and NeWS were much, much more different and also UI toolkits were much more platform dependant which is why people picked one over the other. Whereas now you don't even need to recompile to support both. Oh yeah, also, Wayland costs nothing and doesn't tie you into a particular hardware vendor. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Jul 20, 2019 |
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thing is though that wayland is a pretty good abstraction to add even if it is used *almost exclusively* through xwayland. one could also use it as a springboard to just modernize x11 (e.g. carry through some finer client separation for security). in such a scenario a lot of the stuff in *weston* (the actual compositor bit doing some more desktop-specific tasks) seems a bit excessive, but then that is a bit finer a point.
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Suspicious Dish posted:NeWS was junk, so of course nobody ported their apps to it you shut your filthy mouth I will not have multithreaded PostScript maligned in this way
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Jul 20, 2019 22:28
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quartz is a good compositor. use an os that supports quartz op(s) imho
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Jul 20, 2019 22:41
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but only the least good and popular operating system uses it
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Jul 20, 2019 22:45
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My samba share broke an I'm too stupid to fix it. 
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Jul 20, 2019 23:11
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Nevermind I fixed it. But my network is slow. Long to xfer a TB. Need to replace old rear end poo poo tier switches fml
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eschaton posted:you shut your filthy mouth I will not have multithreaded PostScript maligned in this way "let's build an OS graphics stack on that universally loved thing: the printer"
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Jul 21, 2019 02:51
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Suspicious Dish posted:"let's build an OS graphics stack on that universally loved thing: the printer" postscript kinda was universally beloved, though? printers were only terrible if you had a home computer. for professionals who could afford postscript printers everything was easy
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Jul 21, 2019 03:10
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What kind of cartoonishly evil corporation issues a non-Ubuntu non-Fedora linux desktop to hundreds of thousands of drones
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Jul 21, 2019 04:17
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Linux 5.3 Will Surprisingly Support The Newest Keyboard/Trackpads Of Apple MacBooks still a lot missing though, but if anyone ever gets one of the newer macbooks as a hand me down it's nice to know that the support might get there some day
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:postscript kinda was universally beloved, though? nextstep was postscript based until it became osx
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trying to figure out why the virt-manager spice client is sending caps lock when it's swapped with control in kde. last night i tried vnc and it works but is obviously ugly and it worked in the text console too which makes sense. it looks like this was a big issue like 5 years ago and there's a hack solution where you delete the keymap value from the vm's xml and it "just works" which it didn't. i tried making my own keymap for qemu but im not sure if it's loading it and the values in it didn't seem to match what xev was reporting. ill be back at the stupid pet project coal mine tonight though.
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The_Franz posted:nextstep was postscript based until it became osx the original nextstations came with what was possibly the cheapest postscript printer available at the time
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none of the Wayland WMs support drawing tablet pen pressure yet and I don't feel like implementing it so I'm sticking with X  also lord help me I'm about to install arch
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I recently upgraded to Debian 10. It made the sound stop working. It took me and hour and a half to figure out how to fix it. Also, it seems like GNOME 3 only gets worse with age.
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Jul 21, 2019 18:39
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RobobTheGreat posted:I recently upgraded to Debian 10. for the love of god, why
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Jul 21, 2019 19:18
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I once used Debian. I'm not reminiscing about the past, that's the total number of times I used that crap.
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Jul 21, 2019 19:20
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the first and last time i used debian i ran apt-get to upgrade the packages and it proceeded to delete the kernel and render itself unbootable
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Soricidus posted:for the love of god, why i use debian at home out of habit, because change is hard i am not about to recommend it to others debian only looks sane when you compare it to ubuntu
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The_Franz posted:the first and last time i used debian i ran apt-get to upgrade the packages and it proceeded to delete the kernel and render itself unbootable It warns you about removing the running kernel so I think the gently caress up here is you
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hosed up that people use non-red hat linux for things that supposedly matter if your poo poo doesn't matter use arch, it's a package manager that doesn't come with a troupe of bearded soviet bureaucracy cosplayers
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Sapozhnik posted:hosed up that people use non-red hat linux for things that supposedly matter
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Rufus Ping posted:It warns you about removing the running kernel so I think the gently caress up here is you you're right i hosed up by expecting something related to debian to actually work
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Jul 21, 2019 20:57
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Sapozhnik posted:hosed up that people use non-red hat linux for things that supposedly matter actually I think you'll find the bureaucracy is all for the sake of FREEDOM 
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I wiped my laptop to install gentoo, gave up after 10 hours because lol, and now can't decide what to install. does arch handle steam ok, or is it a pain in the rear end to get working? I like loving with poo poo, thats why I'm a linux admin, but I don't want to have to just to kill some poo poo in a game
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RFC2324 posted:I wiped my laptop to install gentoo, gave up after 10 hours because lol, and now can't decide what to install. does arch handle steam ok, or is it a pain in the rear end to get working?
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RFC2324 posted:I wiped my laptop to install gentoo, gave up after 10 hours because lol, and now can't decide what to install. does arch handle steam ok, or is it a pain in the rear end to get working? Steam running on Manjaro has been pretty decent
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Games run like poo poo on anything other than Windows. Sorry, thems the breaks. Ive really, reay tried.
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RFC2324 posted:I wiped my laptop to install gentoo, gave up after 10 hours because lol, and now can't decide what to install. does arch handle steam ok, or is it a pain in the rear end to get working? Manjaro has been pretty stable in terms of games for me. Never tried FPSes on it though, those have always been very dicey.
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guess I'll give manjaro a try. It runs great on fedora, but I'm bored of fedora  Smythe posted:Games run like poo poo on anything other than Windows. Sorry, thems the breaks. Ive really, reay tried. not my experience, even before valve started fixing poo poo. If you can get them to run, they usually run way better
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yeah steam runs fine on arch, you just have to enable the multilib repo to install it with pacman since it's 32 bit
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update: i have a working arch install! now to steal some dotfiles to make it pretty
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animist posted:update: i have a working arch install! now to steal some dotfiles to make it pretty Arch is 2018. Run NixOS.
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today i had to run nvidia-settings to manually reset my display resolution after a video game hosed it up, and i thought of this thread nvidia is terrible and yet also the dominant choice, how did we get here
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