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crispyseaweed posted:so i guess god's domain is the manitoba bog they are currently dying in you ever read the old testament? it definitely is
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Powershift posted:what if we found a way to liquefy coal so we could ship it through pipelines ...is this a joke? because that's been a thing for a very long time
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Jul 30, 2019 01:31
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trees? maybe fresh water. uranium, probably
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Powershift posted:Do we have anything left to sell to china? Organic natural gas
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Powershift posted:Do we have anything left to sell to china? Just our private information via Telus and Bell etc deploying Chinese state owned 5G equipment! working on my social credit score!
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infernal machines posted:trees? maybe fresh water. Trees are either on fire or full of beetles, Nestle owns all the water.
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teach a man to chud, he will eat for a day teach a man to guillotine, he will eat for life
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infernal machines posted:preemptively jail anyone who has browsed a chan in the last year until they can demonstrate they're not a threat to society? legit not a bad idea
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a primate posted:teach a man to chud, he will eat for a day “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of moxy and the Spirit of Free Enterprise. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit of Free Enterprise gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases and is not the domain of man manipulating the climate. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit of Free Enterprise.”
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https://twitter.com/CanadianPolling/status/1156192176667340801?s=20 https://twitter.com/CanadianPolling/status/1156192178923868160?s=20 https://twitter.com/CanadianPolling/status/1156192475494670336?s=20 stop with the fucken pipeline you assholes
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Jul 30, 2019 15:43
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so 23.9% of canadians expect to be dead anyway by 2040, but fear they might not be able to buy consumer goods they don't need between now and then
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Jul 30, 2019 15:47
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I think the wording in that is divisive on purpose "Solve the climate crisis" and "by increasing taxes". We can't solve this crisis, and raising taxes for another idiot "carbon tax" or some poo poo isn't going to do anything. Meanwhile everyone in power happily moves all their funds offshore and but it's fine because a tiny number of them got a slap on the wrists by the CRA.
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Jul 30, 2019 16:23
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autism ZX spectrum posted:I think the wording in that is divisive on purpose "Solve the climate crisis" and "by increasing taxes". We can't solve this crisis, and raising taxes for another idiot "carbon tax" or some poo poo isn't going to do anything. Meanwhile everyone in power happily moves all their funds offshore and but it's fine because a tiny number of them got a slap on the wrists by the CRA. Yeah but that's not true. Carbon taxes provide increasing economic disincentives and the funds raised can be used to both mitigate those negative externalities and develop/fund new cleaner technologies.
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autism ZX spectrum posted:raising taxes for another idiot "carbon tax" or some poo poo isn't going to do anything  if you have more effective techniques than carbon taxation for causing pro-climate behaviour change then you should speak up, because carbon taxes are considered to be one of the best approaches
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I guess I mean there should be a mechanism that guarantees the money generated by the carbon tax is actually used to invest in clean energy alternatives.
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BC doesn't even use the carbon tax to invest in clean energy. It's used to offset reductions in corporate and personal income tax rates.
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autism ZX spectrum posted:I guess I mean there should be a mechanism that guarantees the money generated by the carbon tax is actually used to invest in clean energy alternatives. sounds like socialist wealth redistribution!!!!!
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autism ZX spectrum posted:I guess I mean there should be a mechanism that guarantees the money generated by the carbon tax is actually used to invest in clean energy alternatives. why does it matter which dollar goes where? in what way are the amounts generated by carbon taxation and the appropriate investment in clean energy alternatives (mmm, P3Ps) linked numerically? when all our energy is clean, do you take away the carbon tax? (hint: no. it is more important as behavioural force than as revenue source)
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It's more about the dollars not getting there at all, or at least, not looking like they're getting there. Dispelling the myth that a carbon tax is a cash grab is easier to do when you can illustrate the clean energy initiatives with a crayon.Subjunctive posted:when all our energy is clean, do you take away the carbon tax? (hint: no. it is more important as behavioural force than as revenue source) Yes, because by then the only people still using dirty power sources will be the poor, who can be more cheaply motivated with fines and forced prison labour.
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Jul 30, 2019 17:40
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flakeloaf posted:Yes, because by then the only people still using dirty power sources will be the poor, who can be more cheaply motivated with fines and forced prison labour. electricity generation isn’t the only source of carbon output, right?
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Jul 30, 2019 17:41
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The point of the carbon tax is to help offset the cost of climate change. So I imagine it'd disappear whenever climate change kills us all or is over. Going over to green energy only reduces emissions, we need to also cut the amount of CO2 in the air.
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no, the point of the carbon tax is to internalize externalities such that market forces push toward, rather than away from, climate-friendly changes in (chiefly) industry. it is effective even if the resulting revenue is spent entirely on cocaine and gummy worms
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Two great tastes, together at last!
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Subjunctive posted:no, the point of the carbon tax is to internalize externalities such that market forces push toward, rather than away from, climate-friendly changes in (chiefly) industry. it is effective even if the resulting revenue is spent entirely on cocaine and gummy worms That's the idea behind how the Liberals structured the tax, with something like 94% of revenue going back to people as direct rebates, with the hope being that people and corporations are incentivized away from carbon-intensive goods and activities in the moment of choice thanks to sticker shock, but individuals aren't actively harmed in the long run because they get the money back several months later. It would be much better if they cut off the top half of the rebates and used that half to pay for environmental stuff, while still rebating the rest to the poor, but you can see where they're coming from, if you assume that the climate crisis can be solved through market-based incentives. The problems with carbon taxes really start to kick in when you realize just how heavily our capitalist society is built around burning carbon, and realize that a carbon tax at the levels states are implementing them really won't accomplish jack poo poo other than redistribute some funds around. We need carbon taxes of like $1,000/ton if we want to make an actual difference, and by that point we're basically just abolishing the carbon market without outright saying so. And once you realize that, you start understanding that solving climate change is pretty much fundamentally incompatible with preserving the market in the way it currently exists, and it will take far, far more than market-based incentives to accomplish anything in the short term, which unfortunately is the only term that matters anymore when it comes to stopping climate change.
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A bigger market push or whatever would be for the government to just cut all the money it spends on hydrocarbons energy and instead spend it all that on renewable energy. At that point you could let the economy of scale kick in. Basically we need some kind of WW1/WW2 level mobilization where most of society is marshaled to tackle one existential threat. Except instead of it lasting 6 years, we'd need to sustain it for an entire generation.
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Dreylad posted:A bigger market push or whatever would be for the government to just cut all the money it spends on hydrocarbons energy and instead spend it all that on renewable energy. At that point you could let the economy of scale kick in. Buy Temperature Bonds!
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Dreylad posted:Like any form of procrastination there's not much point in self-flagellation over time spent not doing what needs to be done because it ends up just being another way to procrastinate. i almost got my masters in procrastination, but, well, you know
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flakeloaf posted:so 23.9% of canadians expect to be dead anyway by 2040, but fear they might not be able to buy consumer goods they don't need between now and then If you told 23.9% of Canadians not to punch themselves in the dick, they would furiously start punching themselves in the dick asking "do you feel owned now, lib?"
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lowly abject turd posted:concentrates are still verboten; if you want em you will either need to make your own (lol) or go grey market gently caress
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I have asthma and smoking burns like hell legalize edibles already dammit
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Terror Sweat posted:gently caress December, edibles and vape stuff becomes legal.
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my pills this month have a helpful "DO NOT CHEW OR CRUSH, SWALLOW WHOLE" label i wonder what idiot made this necessary
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Yinlock posted:my pills this month have a helpful "DO NOT CHEW OR CRUSH, SWALLOW WHOLE" label People crush and snort some drugs. To combat that they have what are called "abuse-proof" that have goo bubbles or some poo poo that turn it to a glob of poo poo if they try to crush them and affect the absorption.
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Powershift posted:People crush and snort some drugs. To combat that they have what are called "abuse-proof" that have goo bubbles or some poo poo that turn it to a glob of poo poo if they try to crush them and affect the absorption. who on earth snorts adderall (for the record i have professionally-diagnosed brain problems that require aderall, which sucks when some morons abuse it and make me have to jump through even more hoops in order to think straight)
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