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patent office should have been closed in like 1910 which was the first time someone asked. nothing was invented in the 20th century
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Aug 2, 2019 18:57
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Yep. “Everything that can be invented has been invented.” Charles H Duell,. Commissioner of the US Patent Office 1899.
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Aug 2, 2019 19:05
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he really didnt say that dont be dumb
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Aug 2, 2019 19:07
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“640K ought to be enough for anyone.” Charles H Duell, Commissioner of the US Patent Office 1899.
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Aug 2, 2019 19:10
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also that big security issue i mentioned about the health care services provider: https://www.joepaduda.com/2019/07/26/corvels-problem-may-be-ransomware/ russian ransomware lol
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Aug 2, 2019 19:13
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def. close the patent office to software yeah
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Aug 2, 2019 19:23
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Munkeymon posted:def. close the patent office to software yeah
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Aug 2, 2019 19:47
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Shame Boy posted:
and since i posted about car firewalls, its now possible to own a self-driving car through its cameras in this pdf there's also a moving jpg of the proof of concept: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP-qTdRugEI
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Aug 2, 2019 19:49
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Munkeymon posted:def. close the patent office to software yeah At least don't allow transferring parents to shell companies that only use the patent to litigate or license out. If you aren't using it directly gently caress right off.
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Aug 2, 2019 20:28
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necrotic posted:At least don't allow transferring parents to shell companies that only use the patent to litigate or license out. If you aren't using it directly gently caress right off.
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Aug 2, 2019 20:43
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if your patent is worth a poo poo you'll be able to find the money
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Aug 2, 2019 20:45
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mystes posted:This is problematic because it screws over people who invent things but don't have the resources to manufacture them themselves. You should be able to dispute a patent if the owner isn't using it
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Aug 2, 2019 20:54
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FOIA'd FBI report on an OpenBSD infrastructure attack back in 2002 posted:________ has administrative control over the Internet host cvs.openbsd.org and ________ has administrative control over the Internet host ftp.openbsd.org EDIT: This makes it seem as if it's quite legit. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Aug 2, 2019 |
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Aug 2, 2019 20:55
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Chalks posted:You should be able to dispute a patent if the owner isn't using it
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Aug 2, 2019 20:59
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D. Ebdrup posted:and since i posted about car firewalls, its now possible to own a self-driving car through its cameras in this pdf lmao hell yeah now just do a buffer overflow so it goes full blast into the column 
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Aug 2, 2019 21:02
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D. Ebdrup posted:From here. I'm not sure what to make of this.
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Aug 2, 2019 21:02
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mystes posted:Isn't this just the FBI investigating after oprnbsd's server got hacked?
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Aug 2, 2019 21:06
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mystes posted:This is problematic because it screws over people who invent things but don't have the resources to manufacture them themselves. that seems less important in the software context
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Aug 2, 2019 21:07
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D. Ebdrup posted:If the vcs server with the code got hacked and there aren't cryptographically signed files from before and after the hack that can be verified, Reflections On Trusting Trust by Ken Thompson should pretty much scares the living daylights out of anyone, I think?
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Aug 2, 2019 21:10
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Subjunctive posted:that seems less important in the software context Everyone always thinks that banning patent trolls is the obvious solution but it's actually really hard to define patent trolls. It's much better to limit what can be patented somehow or grant fewer patents although it may be hard to decide how to do that either. mystes fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Aug 2, 2019 |
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Aug 2, 2019 21:12
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mystes posted:If the FBI was investigating, openbsd probably knew about it, and as long as they had any backups (even if not signed) they could presumably have looked at them to see if anything was changed? At least, the FOIA'd request makes it seem as someone outside of FBI got access to the code?
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mystes posted:If the FBI was investigating, openbsd probably knew about it, and as long as they had any backups (even if not signed) they could presumably have looked at them to see if anything was changed? this is probably a fair assessment considering that the openbsd people are (rightfully) possibly the most security-conscious and/or paranoid bunch on the planet
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Hi guys I submitted a FOIA request for all information about backdoors they sent me a document about anal sex. Do you think I've uncovered some sort of smoking gun?
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Krankenstyle posted:lmao hell yeah little bobby ram-firetruck we call him
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mystes posted:Hi guys I submitted a FOIA request for all information about backdoors they sent me a document about anal sex. Do you think I've uncovered some sort of smoking gun?  :https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3377048&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=397#post497212974
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Aug 2, 2019 21:43
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mystes posted:This is problematic because it screws over people who invent things but don't have the resources to manufacture them themselves. hot take: it isn’t obvious why the first person who has an idea should be entitled to collect rent from it anyway. just cancel patents imo. creative people are still gonna invent useful things, and the world will be a better place with less ip hoarding and rent-seeking
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Aug 2, 2019 22:14
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If you are willing to have all research funded directly by the government that might sort of work I guess. The other problem you'll run into is that with no incentive for disclosure, people who invent stuff are going to do everything they can to keep it secret forever if they can still make money that way.
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what is this, im not good with computers.
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Aug 2, 2019 22:22
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Schadenboner posted:Welp, the dirty deal is done. I’m the proud driver of a ‘15 Fiesta. l... loading canbus hacking tools?
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Aug 2, 2019 22:27
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mystes posted:If you are willing to have all research funded directly by the government that might sort of work I guess. if you aren’t careful, nbsd will appear and loudly explain bizarro-world IP law to this thread too
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Soricidus posted:hot take: it isn’t obvious why the first person who has an idea should be entitled to collect rent from it anyway. its actually incredibly obvious
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counterpoint; its not
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Aug 2, 2019 23:18
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I don't know what to think any more
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Aug 2, 2019 23:20
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haveblue posted:I don't know what to think any more
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Aug 2, 2019 23:33
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mystes posted:If you are willing to have all research funded directly by the government that might sort of work I guess. which works fine for many things for software specifically there seems to be plenty of motivation to invent even without exclusivity, it's hard to keep software techniques secret, there's way too much in the way of independent reinvention being shut down, and the patents are usually obfuscated to the point that they're barely helpful to others. and they last too long.
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Aug 2, 2019 23:57
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no more secrets
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Dylan16807 posted:for software specifically there seems to be plenty of motivation to invent even without exclusivity, it's hard to keep software techniques secret, there's way too much in the way of independent reinvention being shut down, and the patents are usually obfuscated to the point that they're barely helpful to others. and they last too long. Like the best thing I can think of as a legitimate software patent is SIFT and that was academic research that would have been done even without software patents. I just feel the need to point out that if you eliminated all patents you would have to fund pharma research directly but that wouldn't be a bad thing.
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mystes posted:I just feel the need to point out that if you eliminated all patents you would have to fund pharma research directly but that wouldn't be a bad thing. If we get to get rid of all of the sales and marketing overhead of pharma I'm not seeing a downside. I think IP law isn't a bad idea but it dramatically needs updating. Patents are based on the idea that it takes years for news of discoveries to travel, Copyright is great if you're Disney and terrible if you're anyone else.
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Volmarias posted:Patents are based on the idea that it takes years for news of discoveries to travel lmao no they aren't. they're based on the idea that news of discoveries will travel fast, therefore you need protection since clearly other people will want to take your idea like in the time when the constitution was written, which explicitly grants congress the ability "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;" you would be able to get news from all the way around the world in about 3-4 months and transatlantic communications were typically 3-4 weeks each way - news of an invention would take quite a lot less than years to travel
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