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Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



I never even got any award for helping to set up the warrior recovery center on KAF, but I’m sure that the major who got caught stroking off to porn he put on SIPRNet got at least 3 new medals for his uniform. Never got one when I ETSed either, but I was so completely done with that unit when I left that I may have actually cursed at everyone present if they’d presented it at a formation. I did get a unit patch from the hospital commander himself (on KAF) for my work at the WRC, though. I still have that in little box, alongside the CSM coins I got (82nd ABN and US Forces-Afghanistan) and a multicam rank patch.

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spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

I shamelessly write my own PCS awards because that's how you get them.

I've got my retirement award written up too. The day I announce my retirement is the day I'll send the 638 to my "supervisor".

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

spacetoaster posted:

I shamelessly write my own PCS awards because that's how you get them.

I've got my retirement award written up too. The day I announce my retirement is the day I'll send the 638 to my "supervisor".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL-gyhZVvx0

Vasudus
May 30, 2003
Not gonna lie, my ability to write awards and performance reviews from total bullshit has been a very helpful skill. I would like to thank the army for making me write some 400 awards while deployed.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
I always thought awards were easy to write. OERs weren't too bad either.

NCOERs and their dumb rear end bullet format is a giant pain in the rear end though.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Mustang posted:

I always thought awards were easy to write. OERs weren't too bad either.

NCOERs and their dumb rear end bullet format is a giant pain in the rear end though.

Especially when it goes against nearly every convention of established army writing guides.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Wasabi the J posted:

Especially when it goes against nearly every convention of established army writing guides.

Easily understood and generally free of errors.



lol

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



I just got my NCOER that was due back in April last week. God I love that system.

Getting off the topic of Army Paperwork (though i'm sure it's related to what I need to bring up), my squadron just had its second suicide in less than 60 days. This is on top of a slew of suicide attempts over the past several months, and another successful one last year. I'm pretty shook up about it and how to deal with it, honestly. None of them so far have been people that I really knew, I just recognized the names from passing. I have a lot of soldiers in my troop who have those same sorts of depression and withdrawal symptoms, and I've been trying to talk to them and make myself open to them and try to help as much as I can, but I'm only one E5 and there ain't a lot I can think of to do. I've dealt with depression myself, though probably not in the best way (sitting at home drinking and playing video games), but I've made it through six years in the Marines and now two in the Army and had a myriad of fuckery in between and what not, and I'm still alive. I guess what I'm asking is if anyone has any advice on how to deal with a suicide prone unit that's on the cusp of deploying and how to make sure none of my guys end up offing themselves?

I couldn't decide where to make this post, the Get Help thread seems to be geared more towards resources after the Army, but I'm already able to push guys towards Chaps or Behavioral Health or whatever, I just don't know what to do right now with everyone in my unit. We're still working long days and hours less than a month before we deploy, with no sign of letting up, and I think it's just wearing everybody down.

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit

Thump! posted:

We're still working long days and hours less than a month before we deploy, with no sign of letting up, and I think it's just wearing everybody down.

Oh hey, I found your problem.

Maybe don't keep Joe around from 5 in the morning until 8 at night, let them have time off, and offer them space.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



You’re doing all within your realm of control, unfortunately your commander’s realm of control is far larger than yours and it sounds like they’re still allergic to the idea of “maybe I’m the one doing something wrong?”. Outside of using IG as a weapon if they’re breaking some reg or policy (check the various memos published for your base by your base commander/1st 1-star in your chain), I don’t really know what other options you’d have. None of those are guarantees either, but it sounds like you’re doing what you can with what you have...which is all your soldiers can really ask of you.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

This is stemning from something that was probably fake on FB.
If a soldier was heading to a 28 Day Rehab, would they be required to tell their leadership? Not like the Army rehab, but like legit

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

bulletsponge13 posted:

This is stemning from something that was probably fake on FB.
If a soldier was heading to a 28 Day Rehab, would they be required to tell their leadership? Not like the Army rehab, but like legit

i mean theyd wonder where the soldier was

unless they had leave or something

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

There was a post that was a screen shot from a soldier which said (paraphrase)-" I won't be today. I'm not at liberty to say why. I'm back conus, will return in 28 days." It had some replies, but that was the jist. People were trying to decide it in the comments. Got me wondering

A Bad Poster
Sep 25, 2006
Seriously, shut the fuck up.

:dukedog:
Thump, if it is as bad as it sounds, I'd start looking at seeing if you can start reporting people for toxic leadership. I know that for a while they were taking those allegations super seriously. That amount of suicides/attempts in a unit is a clear indicator that something is wrong with it, and generally it starts at the top since they have the most control. An upcoming deployment is no excuse for a command to be abusing its soldiers. I don't know where you're going, but if this is happening stateside, it will 1000% get worse whenever you get there.

Vasudus
May 30, 2003
Sustainable readiness strikes again. Goddamnit.

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:

Oh hey, I found your problem.

Maybe don't keep Joe around from 5 in the morning until 8 at night, let them have time off, and offer them space.

That’s gonna be the line I drop when I go into work tomorrow. It’s been non stop like this for several months, on top of having a Stryker gunnery (we’re deploying on MATVs) and a Red Flag rotation.

Icon Of Sin posted:

You’re doing all within your realm of control, unfortunately your commander’s realm of control is far larger than yours and it sounds like they’re still allergic to the idea of “maybe I’m the one doing something wrong?”. Outside of using IG as a weapon if they’re breaking some reg or policy (check the various memos published for your base by your base commander/1st 1-star in your chain), I don’t really know what other options you’d have. None of those are guarantees either, but it sounds like you’re doing what you can with what you have...which is all your soldiers can really ask of you.

A Bad Poster posted:

Thump, if it is as bad as it sounds, I'd start looking at seeing if you can start reporting people for toxic leadership. I know that for a while they were taking those allegations super seriously. That amount of suicides/attempts in a unit is a clear indicator that something is wrong with it, and generally it starts at the top since they have the most control. An upcoming deployment is no excuse for a command to be abusing its soldiers. I don't know where you're going, but if this is happening stateside, it will 1000% get worse whenever you get there.

Yeah, something needs to happen, it’s a serious issue. My troop is better off than the others, aside from one lovely platoon sergeant our leadership is extremely solid. It’s just the rest of the Squadron and Squadron itself that seem to be super hosed up.

The response to the last suicide was everyone having to work on a Friday DONSA, what we thought would be a half day becoming a full day because of a 1700 formation where the SCO had to talk to us for half an hour about the suicide. We’ll see what happens tomorrow, but either he’s out of touch or something is seriously awry in our other troops.

Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!
Your SCO is a loving moron. Sorry. That's just about the Army-est response to a terrible situation.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Squadron-wide problem? Start looking at your SCO, XO, and CSM. You know, the usual suspects of heads that need to roll for one reason or another.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
Man I am about to go scorched Earth on this S4 shop that made me a IO for a FLIPL. They've been less than helpful and none of the documents they uploaded can even be used because they're either incorrectly filled out or the hand receipt is signed by the wrong person.

If they're going to make a former S4 an IO they could at least make sure none of their poo poo is hosed up when they do so. Especially when the CPT is from outside their unit.

Pretty much everyone in this unit involved with this FLIPL has been nothing but an irritating pain in the rear end as if I'm inconveniencing them rather than realizing I'm the one being inconvenienced with more work by their lack of competence in taking care of their equipment.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

loving do it. Go scorched Earth. Flip some tables and yell at a CSM.

DO. IT.

Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!
Put their CSM at attention.

NO BALLS

Vasudus
May 30, 2003
if you're getting out the answer is to go scorched earth on every issue, every time

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
CSMs don't give a single poo poo about FLIPLs. Their eyes just glaze over if FLIPLs are mentioned.

That's more MAJs and whatever O5s/O6s are in the chain of command of a given FLIPL. Generals too if it's over 100k or sensitive.

A Bad Poster
Sep 25, 2006
Seriously, shut the fuck up.

:dukedog:
I recall a certain unit having a very bad weekend after someone failed to tie down a filled ASIP and it took a 1200' tumble into some muskeg. An entire battalion doing hands across the DZ with orders to bring in anything they find made of metal for 4 days.

The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.

That sounds horrible.

Whenever I have army nightmares, it's never the PTSD type stuff of dead people and human hamburger meat and the like. It's always just dreaming that I'm still in the army, and due to some bureaucratic mess, I don't know when I'll get out, and the whole crushing, sinking feeling that comes with having no control over life.

Vasudus
May 30, 2003
my army dreams are that i'm magically back in, but:

my rank is wrong and i have to correct everyone
my uniform is wrong and i get stopped every six feet
my orders are wrong

along with being unable to locate the clothing and sales or 1-shop to fix it

the base layout is never anything i've ever seen before, it's like some kind of m.c. esher fueled nightmare

A Bad Poster
Sep 25, 2006
Seriously, shut the fuck up.

:dukedog:
Same unit, during EIB land nav practice had a brand new private, 2 weeks out of basic and airborne school, lose his nods on the land nav course, but didn't realize it until after he'd completed it so they had to spend the next few days retracing this poor kid's tracks trying to find them. And then at the end of the week, their BN guidon bearer forgot the guidon at the land nav course, so the whole battalion had to ruck march back there to retrieve it and back again on a Friday after the day was over.

Their commander got relieved for creating a toxic work environment not too long after.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Vasudus posted:

the base layout is never anything i've ever seen before, it's like some kind of m.c. esher fueled nightmare

Escher-shaped, but Kafka wrote the rules.

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

Vasudus posted:

my army dreams are that i'm magically back in, but:

my rank is wrong and i have to correct everyone
my uniform is wrong and i get stopped every six feet
my orders are wrong

along with being unable to locate the clothing and sales or 1-shop to fix it

the base layout is never anything i've ever seen before, it's like some kind of m.c. esher fueled nightmare



"wheres your weapon?" is my #1


and i never lost mine

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?
I had a dream awhile back where for whatever insane reason I'd gone back into the army and because I'd been out so long they told me I had to go through basic training again.

A Bad Poster
Sep 25, 2006
Seriously, shut the fuck up.

:dukedog:

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

"wheres your weapon?" is my #1


and i never lost mine

We were doing a land nav course at Camp Mackall, and one team of two came back with 3 rubber ducks. Queue the cadre having the entire class get in formation and hold our rubber ducks in front of us until they had inspected us to see who's was missing theirs. Nobody was. They told us later that they talked to some other cadre and learned that a few classes prior some guy had lost his and they didn't find it, so we'd solved a mystery for them.

Richard Bong
Dec 11, 2008

McNally posted:

I had a dream awhile back where for whatever insane reason I'd gone back into the army and because I'd been out so long they told me I had to go through basic training again.

I’ve had this same dream. I woke up during a run because it stressed me out so much.

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

McNally posted:

I had a dream awhile back where for whatever insane reason I'd gone back into the army and because I'd been out so long they told me I had to go through basic training again.

ive had that one

SimonCat
Aug 12, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
College Slice

McNally posted:

I had a dream awhile back where for whatever insane reason I'd gone back into the army and because I'd been out so long they told me I had to go through basic training again.

I've had a similar one where I'm still at basic training, but graduation was a month ago, everyone is gone, and I'm still living in the barracks.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
I have a beard at drill with no boots.

I haven't thought about the army for the first whole month since I got half invited to the unit's family day.

I showed up and like, the first conversation I got into, my recent unemployment was interjected into my general chit chat about how things have been.

I honestly checked the gently caress out right then.

The sudden rudeness, the overall lack of any positivity in general, I realized how little I actually mattered to them and it really liberated me emotionally. My overall anxiety level is lower and it allowed me to let go of a lot of the baggage I had around my service.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
I only have 2 reoccurring Army dreams.

One is I'm in charge of something and for some reason I have no pants on. Dick and balls just hanging in the wind. So I'm searching everywhere for my pants and there's some time hack I need to meet with what I'm working on but I need my God drat pants!

The other is that I smoke weed in a dream and worry about pissing hot and losing all my benefits. This one can be so real that for a few minutes I'll actually think I had smoked weed and kind of freak out about it.

Reality is I haven't smoked weed since well before I joined the Army and I never even remotely feel tempted to try it while in the Army.

Gonna light up as soon as I'm out though :350:

Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!

Wasabi the J posted:

I have a beard
This and trying to hide from 1SG so that he doesn't see my sleeves uncuffed.

colachute
Mar 15, 2015

Naked Bear posted:

This and trying to hide from 1SG so that he doesn't see my sleeves uncuffed.

wearing your sleeves as loose as you can crew, reporting in

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones
I’ve been out since 98 and still have a basic training nightmare, a land nav fuckery one, or having to chase down someone who swiped a crypto fill device.

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Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

i also have a dream of being told to inventory a connex by myself in the middle of a motor pool at speicher in july

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