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ilitarist posted:Wouldn't something like "decided to view you as a rival for now" sound better than that incompetence thing? "Incompetence" makes you think it's something about score or alignment. Even pithier would be “hates your stupid face”
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Disappointed that I can't have my Vanguard troopers fix laser-bayonets and charge the enemy. Also I can infect my Assembly cyborgs with the Xenoplague but I can't cyborgize my horrible gribbly beasts. The game is overall pretty good, though.
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Aug 10, 2019 11:59
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What's a good secret tech for the Kir'ko? They look cool, but I was messing around with them and having a harder time wrapping my brain around them than the Dvar, which I found pretty straightforward.
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Aug 10, 2019 13:40
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Jester Mcgee posted:What's a good secret tech for the Kir'ko? They look cool, but I was messing around with them and having a harder time wrapping my brain around them than the Dvar, which I found pretty straightforward. Celestrian is a pretty powerful combo with them since it adds a ton of healing which is one of their bigger native weaknesses and a bunch of unit synergy.
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Aug 10, 2019 13:48
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Same question, but for Dvar. Promethean? Synthesis (since they have a fair number of mechanicals)?
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Aug 10, 2019 13:59
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According to my friend, you sholdn't be afraid to go to war if you have a chance to grab a small settlement of another faction, and that spending 60 influence to nab an NPC settlement is very much worth it. Some of the easy to research early techs can actually help other faction more than their original one. The very first Vanguard tech gives you a mod that is great for everyone, for example. You don't even have to wait to assimilate a settlement, just take it, hold it a few turns to do the research, then bug out. He chooses secret tech based on weapons used by a faction. For example, if a faction has a lot of repeating balistic weapons, there's a mod combo with the prometheans, one gives your weapon aoe burning attacks, and the other gives you extra accuracy and damage against people set on fire.
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Aug 10, 2019 14:06
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Zore posted:Celestrian is a pretty powerful combo with them since it adds a ton of healing which is one of their bigger native weaknesses and a bunch of unit synergy. I think I don't understand something about Celestrian, because I was checking out the tech tree and couldn't figure out how it adds healing. It looked like it had a bunch of tools that did weird individual things like lower enemy units morale and stuff.
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Aug 10, 2019 14:11
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My current wishlist of Stuff I want (or to be told how to do it): Repeating production in cities. "Auto move new units to here" production option in cities. Move production to the top. (Maybe shift + click the arrow on the build order?)
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Aug 10, 2019 14:12
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Zore posted:Celestrian is a pretty powerful combo with them since it adds a ton of healing which is one of their bigger native weaknesses and a bunch of unit synergy. "native weaknesses"? They get a really early mod that flat-out adds regeneration, don't they? Synergy I agree with, Celestian is all about melee. Jester Mcgee posted:I think I don't understand something about Celestrian, because I was checking out the tech tree and couldn't figure out how it adds healing. It looked like it had a bunch of tools that did weird individual things like lower enemy units morale and stuff. They have a tactical operation that heals based on the number of Enlightened units you control in the fight. I think one of the higher tier units gets the same as an ability? I might be forgetting/mistaking it for something else.
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Aug 10, 2019 14:17
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Thyrork posted:My current wishlist of Stuff I want (or to be told how to do it): Second one is already there, mouse over any item in the production queue (except the first), you'll see a little upwards arrow appear you can click.
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Aug 10, 2019 14:18
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Jester Mcgee posted:I think I don't understand something about Celestrian, because I was checking out the tech tree and couldn't figure out how it adds healing. It looked like it had a bunch of tools that did weird individual things like lower enemy units morale and stuff. Their very first tactical operation is a direct heal which is super useful early on when you still have mostly melee units who can get focused down easily.
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Aug 10, 2019 14:19
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Gerblyn posted:Second one is already there, mouse over any item in the production queue (except the first), you'll see a little upwards arrow appear you can click. This is such bad UX. I'd also been looking fruitlessly.
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Aug 10, 2019 14:23
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Counterpoint: I found it easily.
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Aug 10, 2019 14:25
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Seen multiple comments about the strength of early units juiced up for late game What about actual high tier units though?
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Aug 10, 2019 14:48
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victrix posted:Seen multiple comments about the strength of early units juiced up for late game Highly-modded T3 and T4 units are terrifying juggernauts of death, but they are also insanely impractical to field. A boatload of production and Cosmite for each one. Also, what the hell? The Vanguard campaign only goes for two missions?
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Aug 10, 2019 14:50
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toasterwarrior posted:Highly-modded T3 and T4 units are terrifying juggernauts of death, but they are also insanely impractical to field. A boatload of production and Cosmite for each one. It looks like the campaign is two per faction with a ? finale to me. Gerblyn posted:Second one is already there, mouse over any item in the production queue (except the first), you'll see a little upwards arrow appear you can click. Thankya.
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Aug 10, 2019 14:54
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toasterwarrior posted:Highly-modded T3 and T4 units are terrifying juggernauts of death, but they are also insanely impractical to field. A boatload of production and Cosmite for each one. What about un- or minimally modded? Just curious if the balance is better than it was in 3 basically, can't tell if people talking about jacked low tier units are just jazzed it's good or if high tier stuff doesn't compare as well due to cost if you're being aggressive and not playing Sims for a long time.
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Aug 10, 2019 14:58
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AoW3 campaigns had high-tier units outclassing lower tiers so hard you would just advance and forget from what I remember.
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Aug 10, 2019 15:07
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CommissarMega posted:Gotcha. Hopefully I still have a save from then I can use. I feel like the campaign has some bugged or poorly-communicated quest paths here. It seems like there are multiple win conditions for most maps, and it's not obvious which ones qualify for changing the next mission. First bit of confusion was Kir'Ko mission one - I killed my inner darkness, agreed to help the celestians, visited the temple, had a vision with my no-longer evil powers.. and next mission i was still psynumbra? Someone told me they managed to get Voidtech at the end of that one by following the psy-fish sidequest line - I ended up winning before my chrysalis evolved to max, it was close, though. In Syndicate mission 1, I had the named hero you start who was part of the questline die, and he gave his daemon to me as he died - when I captured the synthesis temple, i put the daemon in the Avatar and he talked briefly and then it suddenly swapped over to dialogue with the Psynumbra guy as if I had just captured the Psynumbra temple instead and asked if i wanted a taste of more power despite not having seen any power at all due to having not helped him with his psynumbra temple. I could agree to help him or not with killing the vanguard but it feels like i got weirdly redirected there.. In Vanguard Mission 2 I went to the university, saw my assembly'd boyfriend, and won on the same turn i encountered an assembly player which triggered some dialogue implying his quest chain continued - so i might have screwed up a sidequest there by not encountering the assembly fast enough I think the main problem I've had with the campaign though is it's possible to win every single map I've seen so far without fighting a single player, barring MAYBE syndicate 1. On Vanguard 1 and 2, and Kirko 1, I beat both maps by just blandly agreeing with everyone i met with and picking the peaceful option and slamming always-accepted peace treaties with good neighbor to not interrupt my expansion and then defensive pacts and alliances if necessary until nobody on the map is not at peace with me, and then just going around going to the various locations the quests pointed me to until victory. Sometimes one person would declare war at me but I'd win before they even managed to attack me once as I still had easily-reached goals on the map. Even 'good' and 'peaceful' paths should have at least an objective where you have to beat one player otherwise the map kinda fizzles out extremely early - your starting army with a few mods is strong enough to kill almost every single neutral location that might be blocking a quest, so you don't have an incentive to upgrade like you would in a long fight with another player. Neutral locations other than that horribly rude voidtech facility with the stasis-inflicting voidtech tanks and duplicating enemies are all a total faceroll and could use some love, I think.
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victrix posted:What about un- or minimally modded? I'll use the T1 Vanguard Trooper versus the T3 Vanguard Walker for this example, mainly because the Walker has a kinetic repeating weapon like the Trooper does, while the Gunship is a T2 unit and therefore a bit more practical to field. Trooper - 40 energy, 150 production, 40HP, 1 armor, 32 move - shoots for 9 kinetic, 7 range, 90% accuracy - grenade with 8 kinetic, 3 range, AoE of 1, Stagger, Demolisher, single action - Overwatch and Steady Aim (+15% accuracy while in cover) - can take cover Walker - 140 energy, 440 production, 25 Cosmite, 60HP, 3 armor, 24 move - shoots for 11 kinetic, 7 range, 90% accuracy - rocket with 20 kinetic, 9 range, AoE of 1, Massive Stagger, Demolisher, single action - resistant to psychic powers, weak to arc - Overwatch - usually can't take cover That's roughly about 3 Troopers to 1 Walker, and the Walker has more utility thanks to the near-max range rocket with stagger and demo. Max modded Troopers with, say, Jetpacks, ammo of choice, and Rail Accelerators (+1 range, +10% accuracy and damage) would probably be rated around 2 Troopers per Walker in terms of energy and production, with significantly more Cosmite. That'll give them the same amount of kinetic damage per full action bar, with Jetpacks more or less giving them at least one full salvo of shooting, while the Walker's circumstances may not be so generous. In addition, the ammo for the Troopers can be either kinetic, thermal, or arc, so you can tailor them to the specific enemy. All in all, modded T1s (at least, Vanguard Troopers) cost a lot more Cosmite overall but are probably significantly more efficient because they can be fielded at least 2 to 1, with the two units being able to heavily damage/kill a unit on their own while the T3 can gently caress a specific unit up badly. I think it's a measure of Cosmite production; if you can build T3s regularly and still have the Cosmite to give them a single mod, they'll beat out T1s in sheer power.
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victrix posted:Seen multiple comments about the strength of early units juiced up for late game I've been using T3/T4 units a lot, going so far as to prioritize getting them very quickly on my second playthrough, and it's worked out great. T4 in particular tends to be really devastatingly powerful with gamechanging abilities. Last night I had a battle where I was rocking a single army and was completely surrounded by Dvar groups full of trash that in total doubled my ~3.5k army value. On the battle map I started out surrounded in the open with all of their forces being in range by turn 2. I crushed it and left with more health than I started because my units can heal themselves and each of them are killing/stunning multiple Trenchers on every turn. They cost a lot of cosmite to build and mod out, but you also rarely have to replace them because they're sturdy enough to not eat poo poo instantly and often have fantastic survivability tools. Once you start kitting out Tier 1 units with expensive mods the cosmite difference isn't even that huge. Checking right now my T1 loadout costs 40 cosmite (not even using the most expensive mods). My T3 units are 44-54 (very minor increase), and it's 94 for my T4 hoverboat. 94 is a lot but that thing is a hell of a lot better than 2.35 Indentured. And regardless, the AI is typically extremely willing to trade away all of their cosmite for energy so it's not that bad of a bottleneck. I also find that it's easier to position with fewer, more elite troops. You start running out of good spots to attack from pretty quickly if you cover the map in T1 units and it makes you very susceptible to AoE. The biggest issue with them, at least from playing Syndicate and Assembly, is that they have slower movement speed on the campaign map which drags your entire army down. Not sure if it's the same for every faction. Vargs fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Aug 10, 2019 |
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Vargs posted:I've been using T3/T4 units a lot, going so far as to prioritize getting them very quickly on my second playthrough, and it's worked out great. T4 in particular tends to be really devastatingly powerful with gamechanging abilities. Last night I had a battle where I was rocking a single army and was completely surrounded by Dvar groups full of trash that in total doubled my ~3.5k army value. On the battle map I started out surrounded in the open with all of their forces being in range by turn 2. I crushed it and left with more health than I started because my units can heal themselves and each of them are killing/stunning multiple Trenchers on every turn. Map travel is already sooooo slow compared to AoW3 that i can't justify putting 24 movespeed units in any of my wandering armies and just leave any free ones garrisoning a city. They can't do anything because any other unit can literally walk circles around them, and once you have them it'll take you SEVERAL additional turns to reach a location which is enough for them to pump out several units, escape, or destroy your city and leave before you show up to reinforce it.
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Aug 10, 2019 15:57
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It sucks that Vanguard Walkers have 24 movespeed, but thankfully Laser Tanks have a 9-range attack to encourage anyone sitting pretty to come out or die a burny death.
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Aug 10, 2019 16:08
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Wolpertinger posted:Map travel is already sooooo slow compared to AoW3 that i can't justify putting 24 movespeed units in any of my wandering armies and just leave any free ones garrisoning a city. They can't do anything because any other unit can literally walk circles around them, and once you have them it'll take you SEVERAL additional turns to reach a location which is enough for them to pump out several units, escape, or destroy your city and leave before you show up to reinforce it. Yeah, I've been using lighter units for defense since they can actually move around and respond to attacks. The big T3-T4 guys are for my offensive armies who are mostly just hitting stationary cities, which I find have a difficult time running away.
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Aug 10, 2019 16:10
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Vanguard Purifiers do NOT get a cool jetpack graphic when they are equipped with one and I have never been more disappointed in my life.
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Aug 10, 2019 17:37
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In AOW3 you could preview the difficulty of a dungeon before committing to the fight. Is there any way to do that in this game?
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Aug 10, 2019 17:54
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streaming the first MP attempt with Ninjew https://www.twitch.tv/orangelex44
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i am streaming as well https://www.twitch.tv/ninjewtsusa
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Aug 10, 2019 17:56
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Hot Dog Day #42 posted:In AOW3 you could preview the difficulty of a dungeon before committing to the fight. Is there any way to do that in this game? When I enter a site, I still have the ‘run away‘ button?
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Hot Dog Day #42 posted:In AOW3 you could preview the difficulty of a dungeon before committing to the fight. Is there any way to do that in this game? Yeah, if you attempt to go in it'll have a list of defenders pop up and you can engage or back out.
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Aug 10, 2019 17:57
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Hmm, I guess I somehow failed to notice that running away was still an option. Thanks!
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Aug 10, 2019 18:07
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I just found out that the Military Engineering Guild will give armor bonuses to Specialist and Skirmisher units at level 3 and onwards. Some Reddit post claimed that due to how defensive stats add up (Thanks Gerbyln BTW!), reaching 7 total defensive stats (armor, shields, and resistance) basically doubles your EHP. This is a multiple, apparently, so if you can somehow get 14 total defensive stats, you'll be...tripling? your EHP, which sounds terrifying. So yeah, even if you're playing on a Frontier planet (no landmarks at all), 2 production sectors in a colony will definitely make it an optimal place for producing units, outside of sheer speed.
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Aug 10, 2019 19:04
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Vargs posted:good I'm playing a Syndicate Psynumbra game right now where I'm trying the "carpet the battlefield in T1s and T2s" concept by leaning on the Syndicate Psynumbra benefit(+1 damage per indentured on the field) and it's not feeling great for a lot of the reasons you hit on. T1-2 units are very versatile and efficient, but to achieve that efficiency they need mods, which makes them very cosmite-intensive as you balloon your forces. Add that to the fact that even modded many T1 units will die like flies in any significant battle and your cosmite costs begin expanding even more because you need replacements - unless you opt to field unmodded dudes, which sucks a huge amount of power out of your low tier guys. I think a mix is definitely optimal because higher tier units are both powerful and much more efficient on cosmite over time.
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Pro-tip: Get a subjugator, and then you can get new indentured free via one of their abilities. They’ll probably already have mods too!
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On my first world I tried to put too many of my Armaddon dudes in my forward armies and it killed my mobility. Now I'm on a frontier planet with Amazons and in addition to having more forest hexes for movement, I've been speeding along focusing more on Harriers and Tyrannodons.
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The social research that gives you enhanced movement in your own domain is ace for self defense, since you can pretty much cross an entire domain in a single turn, even taking into account terrain types. Also good god what is up with Amazon Lancers and their lances. One with relatively few mods was hitting for like 46 damage on shielded up Syndicate units 
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Aug 10, 2019 20:04
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Zore posted:I've personally started like 20 games and its been like 80% Paragon, 10% Growth, 10% Autonom and I haven't seen Psi fish or Spacers at all. The RNG can be weird. I'm four games in and I've gotten Spacers once, Psyfish twice, and Paragon once. Of course the first time I tried all random opponents I got five Dvar, one Assembly, and one Vanguard when I was playing Vanguard. I pick my opponents off the menu now. 
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I think the last major thing escaping my understanding in this game is the sector exploitation system. Apparently, just because a bonus building gives a resource of a certain type in a sector, it doesn't necessarily mean the corresponding exploitation is the best pick because if you don't have the right kind of terrain in the sector, you can only level it up so much? Like, imagine a sector with Mountain and Fungal terrain. Mountain provides production, but Fungal isn't, so at best I can only level said exploitation and attached specialty building up to 3 in that sector? Is that right?
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Aug 10, 2019 20:25
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In the last four games I have gotten Growth every time. I get at least 3 Kir'Ko every game and all of them always hate me regardless of my setup. Also if you pick up research on the first turn before you are researching anything does it just get wasted?
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The more I play, the better this game gets. And my initial opinion was pretty positive already!
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