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Were the lines they were doing actually from the Lancer pilot?
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Aug 7, 2019 06:49
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Unmature posted:Were the lines they were doing actually from the Lancer pilot? Oddly no, given how closely the replicated other stuff throughout the movie, though they do take Rick's costume directly from the episode. This is the equivalent of the saloon scene in the actual pilot: https://youtu.be/9_VbQffGmoI?t=1757
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Aug 7, 2019 07:48
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Oddly no, given how closely the replicated other stuff throughout the movie, though they do take Rick's costume directly from the episode. This is the equivalent of the saloon scene in the actual pilot: https://youtu.be/9_VbQffGmoI?t=1757 That’s awesome, thank you
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Aug 8, 2019 17:52
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Casting Rebecca Gayheart as Cliff's wife sure was an interesting choice, considering her infamous past.
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Aug 8, 2019 19:05
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I just got off from a shuttle driver, and he told me he saw the movie. He said one of his favorite parts was seeing Bruce Lee get his rear end kicked as he said it proved to his friend that Bruce Lee wasn't poo poo since he "was only 120lbs."
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Aug 8, 2019 19:59
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punk rebel ecks posted:I just got off from a shuttle driver, and he told me he saw the movie. He said one of his favorite parts was seeing Bruce Lee get his rear end kicked as he said it proved to his friend that Bruce Lee wasn't poo poo since he "was only 120lbs." I know you don't believe your friend but dude could CURL 110 pounds. He took the phrase "pure muscle" to the limit. Imagine being able to curl over 90% of your weight with one arm.
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Aug 8, 2019 21:13
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Yeah, I don't really see that fight as Bruce Lee losing. It's obviously establishing Cliff as a good fighter, with the reference being made to that. But the fight itself? Bruce Lee just owns Cliff right off the bell. Then Cliff goads him into making the exact same move, which he's now prepared to counteract. Then they start actually fighting and it's a tie. I mean, it ends 1-1. That's not Bruce Lee getting his rear end kicked like some people (not necessarily you good people) keep saying.
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Aug 9, 2019 04:20
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Ardent Communist posted:Yeah, I don't really see that fight as Bruce Lee losing. It's obviously establishing Cliff as a good fighter, with the reference being made to that. But the fight itself? Bruce Lee just owns Cliff right off the bell. Then Cliff goads him into making the exact same move, which he's now prepared to counteract. Then they start actually fighting and it's a tie. Yeah, it was pretty obvious that Lee was holding back was ready to give Cliff everything at the point in which it stopped.
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Aug 9, 2019 05:04
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I still think it was a fantasy playing out in Cliff's head and it just got more and more silly as it went on, sort of like Bunuel's The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie with scenes getting progressively more absurd until it turns out to be a dream.
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Aug 9, 2019 05:15
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Egbert Souse posted:I still think it was a fantasy playing out in Cliff's head and it just got more and more silly as it went on, sort of like Bunuel's The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie with scenes getting progressively more absurd until it turns out to be a dream. It's 100% an event that happened cause it's why the guy from Green Hornet doesn't want Cliff on set for Lancer.
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Aug 9, 2019 07:00
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Well I mean don’t forget the other elephant in the room https://twitter.com/chunk_widebody/status/1159831195577913344?s=21
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Aug 9, 2019 15:25
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Vince MechMahon posted:It's 100% an event that happened cause it's why the guy from Green Hornet doesn't want Cliff on set for Lancer. It's an event that happened, but it is framed from Cliff's view. So how it actually played out, we don't know, nor is it important because Cliff accepts his fate.
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Aug 9, 2019 17:19
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I don't get the insistence on it being a dream sequence. It definitely happened. edit: Curious how many people who think the Bruce Lee fight was a dream sequence think that the final sequence of Taxi Driver is a dream sequence. TrixRabbi fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Aug 9, 2019 |
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Aug 9, 2019 18:54
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I don't think anyone is arguing that it's a 100% fantasy, just that Cliff might be remembering it in a way that casts him in a better light. The movie spends a lot of run time devoted to showing how all of Hollywood is acting to themselves as much as they're acting to the audience. You know, the fairy tales they keep telling themselves and the audience.
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Aug 10, 2019 00:07
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Goddamn it, the Tarantino edit of You Keep Me Hanging On with the excellent intro isn't available to stream and you have to buy the whole album for it. gently caress that.
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Aug 11, 2019 05:34
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Someone smarter than me should describe how the Kid Colt and Sgt Fury comics in Cliff’s trailer represent the two main characters (the cowboy and the soldier). Both were the longest running Marvel comics of their respective genres.
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Aug 11, 2019 16:30
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Cemetry Gator posted:The problems with those readings is that they require you to rewrite the film and make logical leaps that are not supported by the film. Just saw this movie, loved it. Very Tarantino in all the right ways. Acting was great.
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Aug 12, 2019 01:30
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So when are the hipsters gonna start championing The Hateful Eight as the best Tarantino film?
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Aug 12, 2019 02:05
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Chuka Umana posted:So when are the hipsters gonna start championing The Hateful Eight as the best Tarantino film? I do like it a lot, but I feel like 90% of that is Walton Goggins.
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Aug 12, 2019 02:17
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Nail Rat posted:I know you don't believe your friend but dude could CURL 110 pounds. He took the phrase "pure muscle" to the limit. Imagine being able to curl over 90% of your weight with one arm. I highly doubt that This movie is only getting released Thursday here (and Midsommar next month) 
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Aug 12, 2019 03:40
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The movie was really underwhelming with some good performances. It felt more like a slice of life at what I'm assuming was an important formative time for Quinten. I think this is one of his lesser films but it captured good atmosphere. I really don't care one way or the other about this except that it exists. Leo in the 60s filmed that way was awesome though. I liked Brad Pitt in this a lot. Margot was beautiful. And I hope that little girl actress stays healthy and has a good movie career, she did great. It feels like Leo being the over the hill actor was like a cowboy past his prime but with enough in him to give it one last big go. Brad Pitt as the soldier did his duty to take care of his boss and friend and Leo did what he could to keep his friend employed and hanging in there. Margot represents complete innocence it felt like and it feels like Quinten wanted to keep that alive and safe. The little girl represents a Hollywood yet to come, more mature with advanced concepts of acting. Zane posted:rick and cliff are typifications of a mid-century ideal of american manhood. on one level, they're two different aspects of the same ideal as it is concretized by individuals: rick is the aspiration towards it and cliff is the realization of it. central to this ideal is the reproduction of a certain kind of male-dominated social order through the means of heroic, morally righteous, male violence. this is the ideal propagated by mid-century Hollywood films -- including, very classically, the western. tarantino both commemorates and criticizes this ideal. he encourages us to root for cliff: to acknowledge, to take shelter under, the righteousness and the authority of the traditional masculinity he exemplifies. but this same masculinity has a--self-admitted--toxic undercurrent in its brutality towards women (the wife he might have killed; the manson women he does kill), its dominance of racial others, and--far more broadly--the celebration of the violence it effectively institutionalizes within american culture. it is this culture of morally righteous paternalist violence that, in the film's own logic, informs--in a sort of dialectical way--the mansons family's millennial ideology and that drives them to murder. tarantino engages in a historical self-criticism of the violence he simultaneously fetishizes within the medium of film. he plays a trick on the audience. he makes us complicit: encouraging us to root for the morally righteous patriarchal violence that cliff unleashes upon the mansons. in the process: we condemn ourselves, internalizing the values that seem to have unleashed these events in the first place. This is fantastic, thank you for this. Another instance this is shown, imo, is when the hippies say they want revenge on the fascist movie/TV industry that taught them all violence was okay. Thinking about it more, the Cowboy and the Soldier are indeed two classic American archetypes of men in the past that were supposed to be looked up to. Masculine ideals. One comment a woman makes at the party is that one of the female characters, I think Margot's Sharon Tate, seems to love shorter brown haired men and comments they're like boys. The little girl reading a book is both educated, well spoken, mature, more advanced in thinking than Leo's character and dedicated to her craft. She mentions responsibility. She is the future, what is to come. A change in order from Leo's era. Gatts fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Aug 12, 2019 |
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Aug 12, 2019 03:54
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Ardent Communist posted:Yeah, I don't really see that fight as Bruce Lee losing. It's obviously establishing Cliff as a good fighter, with the reference being made to that. But the fight itself? Bruce Lee just owns Cliff right off the bell. Then Cliff goads him into making the exact same move, which he's now prepared to counteract. Then they start actually fighting and it's a tie. I am starting to question the interpretation that Lee not losing makes the scene okay. I think there is the broader issue of a movie with only one Asian character--really the only character of color--being a prop to bolster a fictional white guy. It's kind of irrelevant that we don't know if Cliff is better, he's at least presented as an equal, because that's not the underlying issue that I think skeeves people out. The issue is that it's a character of color being used solely to show us how badass the hero is.
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Aug 12, 2019 04:12
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My main offense to the Bruce Lee scene is the play on the persona as if he's arrogant or full of it. If it was to show Brad Pitt's character as competent, that's okay. His "defeat" or being able to stand his ground is okay. But it makes Bruce look to be somewhat of a chump and shown up when it isn't necessary the way he speaks of him versus Clay. In a way that also is showing a sort of last gasp of the old American Stunt Man/Action Star compared to what is to come in the future. Just as the little girl shows what is to come after Leo.
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Aug 12, 2019 04:16
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One really good thing about this movie, it made me want to watch a bunch of late 60s B-action and western trash. Like I’ve seen a Django or two but QT seems to really know and love this poo poo. And I also really want to see The Wrecking Crew but it’s not even on VoD so I’ll have to keep my eyes peeled.
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Aug 12, 2019 04:47
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Maxwell Lord posted:One really good thing about this movie, it made me want to watch a bunch of late 60s B-action and western trash. Like I’ve seen a Django or two but QT seems to really know and love this poo poo. Reminds me of how I ended up watching "Dark of the Sun" due to the sound being so prominent in Inglorious Basterds.
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Aug 12, 2019 05:31
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wasn’t the bruce lee fight supposed to seem ridiculous in the end? it was all a stupid fantasy
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Aug 12, 2019 05:35
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I mean to me the end is overwhelmed by "gently caress yeah, Zoë Bell!' so it's hard to say.
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Aug 12, 2019 06:07
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Maxwell Lord posted:I mean to me the end is overwhelmed by "gently caress yeah, Zoë Bell!' so it's hard to say. She deserves more leading roles.
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Aug 12, 2019 06:08
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CelticPredator posted:She deserves more leading roles. I'm so hyped that she's getting into directing.
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Aug 12, 2019 06:09
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I didn’t know this, and now I am too hyped!
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Aug 12, 2019 06:18
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What is she directing?
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Aug 12, 2019 06:53
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Maxwell Lord posted:One really good thing about this movie, it made me want to watch a bunch of late 60s B-action and western trash. Like I’ve seen a Django or two but QT seems to really know and love this poo poo. Dean Martin reprised the Matt Helm role for a couple of films, none of them are very good but it's fun seeing Dino do his drunk flirty guy schtick while also doing his James Bond thing.
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Aug 12, 2019 07:54
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The Wrecking Crew is probably the worst of the Matt Helm movies.
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Aug 12, 2019 14:47
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Serious Party Gods posted:If you're looking for some sort of redemption WRT the inclusion of Polanski in the film.. Consider the fact that he dressed him like Austin Powers for gently caress's sake. Nah, Polanski did that on his own. Shagadelic baby.
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Aug 13, 2019 03:09
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https://www.indiewire.com/2019/08/quentin-tarantino-defends-bruce-lee-fight-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-1202165238/ "Bruce Lee was kind of an arrogant guy,” Tarantino told press about depicting the actor in such a cocky manner. “The way he was talking, I didn’t just make a lot of that up. I heard him say things like that to that effect. If people are saying, ‘Well he never said he could beat up Mohammad Ali,’ well yeah he did. Alright? Not only did he say that but his wife, Linda Lee, said that in her first biography I ever read. She absolutely said that.” "Could Cliff beat up Bruce Lee? Brad would not be able to beat up Bruce Lee, but Cliff maybe could,” Tarantino said. “If you ask me the question, ‘Who would win in a fight: Bruce Lee or Dracula?’ It’s the same question. It’s a fictional character. If I say Cliff can beat Bruce Lee up, he’s a fictional character so he could beat Bruce Lee up. Personally, I can't believe people get hung up on this, particularly in a movie with fairy tale practically in the title.
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Aug 13, 2019 07:06
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mem posted:https://www.indiewire.com/2019/08/quentin-tarantino-defends-bruce-lee-fight-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-1202165238/ I mean Bruce has been quoting saying otherwise.
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Aug 13, 2019 07:32
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Death of the Author never mattered more than with Tarantino
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Aug 13, 2019 08:17
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mem posted:Personally, I can't believe people get hung up on this, particularly in a movie with fairy tale practically in the title. Because out of all the real life Hollywood actors, the only one with a slightly negative portrayal is Bruce Lee, who comes across like an arrogant buffoon (we're not even talking about the fight here). Even Polanski doesn't come across badly. Also Bruce is the only non-white real-life person too unless I'm mistaken, so that kinda sucks.
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Aug 13, 2019 08:19
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I wouldn't expect many non-white characters in a 1960s Hollywood movie about a Western actor and his stuntman, or the Tate/Manson story. Regardless, I didn't think Bruce came off that bad other than maybe being arrogant (which a bunch of stuntmen hanging out would seem pretty fitting that they might be poo poo-talking). Hell, I would imagine Tarantino is a fan of his if he's read his biography. I thought the scene was funny and while I have no strong feelings about Bruce Lee, I do like a couple of his flicks. Looks like some people didn't like it, and that's fine. I guess I was just surprised to see anyone have a reaction to that scene other than a laugh and a realization that Cliff is one bad mother.
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I love Bruce Lee, but I didn't mind his portrayal in this. He was definitely cocky, but he seemed like a pretty cocky dude in real life. He also gets a couple of really good moments during the fight (when he finds out Cliff might have killed his wife, when he balks at Zoe Bell saying he was getting his rear end kicked) and a sweet moment with Sharon later. I think Polanski gets a much worse portrayal. He basically gets the same treatment that Manson gets.
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