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Additionally, here's a source stating the FBI is investigating the death.quote:The U.S. Bureau of Prisons confirmed in a statement Saturday that the FBI would investigate the suicide of the financier, who is accused of sexually abusing and trafficking underage girls. Unless the U.S. Bureau of Prisons isn't credible, I dunno. Edit: Also screaming from his cell, I guess, but here's a choice quote: quote:In an interview with our West Palm Beach affiliate WPEC, a former Florida corrections worker said Epstein was "treated like a celebrity" during his 13-month stint in a county jail after he pleaded guilty in 2008 to charges of soliciting a minor for prostitution. She claims his cell was regularly left unlocked and she saw him move freely through the dormitory area – sometimes completely naked – without repercussions. Das Boo fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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Das Boo posted:Additionally, here's a source stating the FBI is investigating the death. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/nyregion/epstein-barr.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/17/us/prisons-safety-substitute-guards.html?module=inline The New York Times has been reporting for the past year on federal prisons having the exact kind of staff problems that are being reported in Epstein's death now. It's just nobody cared until a high profile criminal died under them.
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Ok dude you’re right, the highest profile criminal in the entire world managed to commit suicide while in total isolation without fixtures or bed sheets because nobody thought the richest criminal pedophile to ever be convicted merited extra eyes or even video-surveillance. You’ve opened my eyes to the possibilities. You really can just will yourself to death.
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Bust Rodd posted:Ok dude you’re right, the highest profile criminal in the entire world managed to commit suicide while in total isolation without fixtures or bed sheets because nobody thought the richest criminal pedophile to ever be convicted merited extra eyes or even video-surveillance. You’ve opened my eyes to the possibilities. You really can just will yourself to death. He wasn't without fixtures or bedsheets. They already said he was taken off suicide watch beforehand.
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chitoryu12 posted:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/nyregion/epstein-barr.html I'm not sure how this refutes my point or proves yours when I was responding to your claim you couldn't find credible proof the FBI was investigating his death. Which is also in the first article you listed. I guess it lends credibility to the idea that the site was compromised, but that just kinda strengthens both our stances?
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chitoryu12 posted:He wasn't without fixtures or bedsheets. They already said he was taken off suicide watch beforehand. if you have pictures of Epstein’s cell it’s kind of rude of you not to share them
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Das Boo posted:I'm not sure how this refutes my point or proves yours when I was responding to your claim you couldn't find credible proof the FBI was investigating his death. Which is also in the first article you listed. I couldn't initially find any info when I did a search, only that there was a Justice Department inquiry being opened (which would be completely expected if someone committed suicide in what's supposed to be a top notch prison because, surprise, the Trump administration is incompetent and cutting funding and staffing!). But there's a really big loving difference between "A year of reporting on federal prison problems turned out to be correct and nobody paid attention until a guy offed himself" and "Someone assassinated a high profile prisoner and every single witness was removed or bribed into perfect silence."
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Das Boo posted:I'm also curious as to why his autopsy is requiring "further information" and had to be overseen by Dr. Baden, an absolute legend in forensic pathology. And why it's being investigated by the FBI if it being a suicide is so apparent. Baden being involved probably doesn’t mean anything, the dude is an absolute starfucker and habitually pulls strings to get his name attached to any high profile case in the tri-state area.
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chitoryu12 posted:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/nyregion/epstein-barr.html When the president visits your bakery you don't ask him to take a number, and when a high profile inmate gets sent to your prison, you don't put him in the cell with the rickety bars and Officer McSleepy on duty. The idea that Epstein's death is the result of lax conditions is laughable.
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davidspackage posted:When the president visits your bakery you don't ask him to take a number, and when a high profile inmate gets sent to your prison, you don't put him in the cell with the rickety bars and Officer McSleepy on duty. The idea that Epstein's death is the result of lax conditions is laughable. The entire federal prison system is like that. Read the drat articles. It's not like they have a pristine supermax facility and then one cell where they do everything completely wrong. Something like this was waiting to happen ever since they cut funding and ended up having to throw random people on guard duty because they were understaffed.
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chitoryu12 posted:I couldn't initially find any info when I did a search, only that there was a Justice Department inquiry being opened (which would be completely expected if someone committed suicide in what's supposed to be a top notch prison because, surprise, the Trump administration is incompetent and cutting funding and staffing!). But there's a really big loving difference between "A year of reporting on federal prison problems turned out to be correct and nobody paid attention until a guy offed himself" and "Someone assassinated a high profile prisoner and every single witness was removed or bribed into perfect silence." One doesn't negate the other at all, and context counts in this situation. The guy in question had been running a sex scandal that involved the world's wealthiest and most powerful with a million pages of evidence planned for his trial and was in a facility that either had one suicide in the last 20 years or none since it opened in 1975 (I've read both). He got a sweetheart deal a decade prior, served a minimal sentence in luxury and returned to running his sex ring thereafter. He was on suicide watch for a still unexplained incident two weeks ago and someone signed off on him being removed from it. Procedures failed, a mystery person was a guard on his watch, he was I guess given bedsheets that a previous inmate stated could in no way be used for self-harm, and his death is currently being investigated by the FBI with an autopsy requiring further information. That's a big pile of context. And he's certainly high profile enough to be assassinated. I listed articles in my initial post on the matter where people were assassinated for far less. This really isn't just "a guy."
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Baden being involved probably doesn’t mean anything, the dude is an absolute starfucker and habitually pulls strings to get his name attached to any high profile case in the tri-state area. He was requested by Epstein's representatives, which is not really the party I'd figure requesting him.
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Das Boo posted:One doesn't negate the other at all, and context counts in this situation. The guy in question had been running a sex scandal that involved the world's wealthiest and most powerful with a million pages of evidence planned for his trial and was in a facility that either had one suicide in the last 20 years or none since it opened in 1975 (I've read both). He got a sweetheart deal a decade prior, served a minimal sentence in luxury and returned to running his sex ring thereafter. He was on suicide watch for a still unexplained incident two weeks ago and someone signed off on him being removed from it. Procedures failed, a mystery person was a guard on his watch, he was I guess given bedsheets that a previous inmate stated could in no way be used for self-harm, and his death is currently being investigated by the FBI with an autopsy requiring further information. That's a big pile of context. Just because a conspiracy theory makes it easier to comprehend a world where systems are broken and people make mistakes or do stupid poo poo doesn't mean the conspiracy is suddenly valid, especially when there's a lot of reason to think it wasn't an assassination.
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chitoryu12 posted:I couldn't initially find any info when I did a search, only that there was a Justice Department inquiry being opened (which would be completely expected if someone committed suicide in what's supposed to be a top notch prison because, surprise, the Trump administration is incompetent and cutting funding and staffing!). But there's a really big loving difference between "A year of reporting on federal prison problems turned out to be correct and nobody paid attention until a guy offed himself" and "Someone assassinated a high profile prisoner and every single witness was removed or bribed into perfect silence." What witness? Part of how you'd do something like this would be to make sure there's nobody around when you do it. So you'd have to pay the few guys who are on duty that night and that's it. So you're talking about a small handful of people, and it's been less than a week. It's way to early to say if they successfully got the "perfect silence" they need, already things are coming out that they probably didn't want in the press so I'd give it some time. If we're sitting here 6 months from now and no further information comes out, ok I think you have a point.
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I don't think there's any particular reason to think it wasn't an assassination.
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chitoryu12 posted:especially when there's a lot of reason to think it wasn't an assassination. Can you elaborate?
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I don't think there's any particular reason to think it wasn't an assassination. 1. We had an entire year of reporting on the exact problems that are being named here, with nobody doing anything to solve them. Unless you're suggesting the conspiracy created these circumstances with the Trump administration cutting funding and leaving federal prisons understaffed years in advance of Epstein going to prison just to make sure they had this cover. 2. His murder wouldn't eliminate any of the far more valuable physical evidence, as we see with the FBI raiding his island despite his death, or any of the victims and staff who could give witness testimony. There's plenty more to investigate, as numerous people (like Ghislaine Maxwell) were involved in his sex trafficking ring and are still vulnerable to prosecution, and any evidence that it was murder would only intensify the investigation. 3. He had no real reason to flip on anyone in court, as he was facing the rest of his life in prison even if he made a plea deal because of his age, the magnitude of his crimes, and losing Acosta's protection with him out of the government. The best anyone could come up with was spite. 4. He was a known lunatic who commissioned a whole drat mural of himself in prison in his mansion as a reminder of how he could go to prison. That's a dude with a loving complex. There's a lot of reasons to think it wasn't an assassination if you just stop and look at poo poo instead of jumping to the first conclusion that makes you feel validated. But it's pointless, since we're already at the stage of conspiracy theorizing where any evidence that comes out that it was a suicide will just be dismissed as fake anyway by people who want to believe.
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Believing federal prisons are horrible places and believing Epstein was murdered are not mutually exclusive, in fact the two beliefs kinda reinforce each other
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Believing federal prisons are horrible places and believing Epstein was murdered are not mutually exclusive, in fact the two beliefs kinda reinforce each other Not when there's even more evidence saying otherwise. Somehow there's a bunch of evidence that it wasn't murder and his death is really easy to explain, while the conspiracy is just saying "No it's not." Also there's a strong possibility (raised in the Guardian article on the FBI raid) that Epstein's death would make it easier to investigate the trafficking because he's no longer alive to contest any seizures.
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chitoryu12 posted:Not when there's even more evidence saying otherwise. Somehow there's a bunch of evidence that it wasn't murder and his death is really easy to explain, while the conspiracy is just saying "No it's not." What’s the evidence that it wasn’t murder
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chitoryu12 posted:1. We had an entire year of reporting on the exact problems that are being named here, with nobody doing anything to solve them. Unless you're suggesting the conspiracy created these circumstances with the Trump administration cutting funding and leaving federal prisons understaffed years in advance of Epstein going to prison just to make sure they had this cover. Counterpoint: two US presidents are implicated, one of which is currently in office.
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Jeffrey Epstein wanted to use a woman farm to seed humanity with his genetics genghis khan style and its a known fact that he wanted his head and dick put in cold storage after death so he could be revived in the future as a cyborg rape machine, suicide is literally so far outside of his psychological profile that you have to be actively putting your fingers in your ears to insist that there's no chance he was murdered
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Real quick, 'cause I gotta get ready for work. 1. Existent failures were utilized either way, so this doesn't support or deny his cause of death. 2. The evidence being seized is what was left behind. What he could disclose, or further evidence he could provide is now lost. 3. The previous sweetheart deal was made in what seems to be violation of the law. So why do you think the justice system's beyond repair but would work as promised here? 4. So... I could use this to say such a narcissist wouldn't see himself beat just yet. Doesn't prove much. He was at the center of a billionaire sex island conspiracy, so conspiracy is already on the table. It happened. Assassination would just be a continuation of what has already been revealed to be a conspiracy.
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In addition to all the problems with understaffed and corrupt federal prisons making it easier for inmates to kill themselves, they also make it easier for inmates to get murdered. There was a very high profile one last year as you may recall.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:What’s the evidence that it wasn’t murder My entire point-by-point post explaining it? The FBI raiding his island and legal experts saying that his death would make evidence seizure and investigation even easier now, so a murder conspiracy would have been a really loving dumb move? Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Jeffrey Epstein wanted to use a woman farm to seed humanity with his genetics genghis khan style and its a known fact that he wanted his head and dick put in cold storage after death so he could be revived in the future as a cyborg rape machine, suicide is literally so far outside of his psychological profile that you have to be actively putting your fingers in your ears to insist that there's no chance he was murdered Yeah and it's really hard to loving turn yourself into a cryogenic cyborg when you're facing life in prison. Schrodinger's Epstein: Somehow completely crazy and irrational, but would never be so crazy and irrational that he would kill himself rather than go to prison forever. It goes along with Schrodinger's Government which is incompetent and worthless until it suddenly has to be perfectly competent and any lapses are evidence of a conspiracy.
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I don't think anyone is accusing this blatant murder of being "competent".
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chitoryu12 posted:My entire point-by-point post explaining it? The FBI raiding his island and legal experts saying that his death would make evidence seizure and investigation even easier now, so a murder conspiracy would have been a really loving dumb move? Yeah who ever heard of assassinating a key witness I’ll say this: I won’t entirely rule out suicide, but I think we’re talking one of those Tom Hagen talking to Frankie Pentangelli kinda suicides
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If you don't think there was foul play, you are incredibly loving dumb.
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Personally I admire chits optimism that countless aristocrats across the planet including two presidents are going to be held more accountable for engaging in a thirty year spanning paedophile ring with complicity from the CIA because the guy the current labour secretary let off for it fifteen years ago is dead
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It can be foul play even if it actually was a suicide. If they wanted him dead and he was suicidal then arranging for everyone to "look away" while he did it (and probably encouraging him to do it with pressure from within the prison and/or from outside) is still negligent and intentional without needing to have someone infiltrate a prison or get their hands directly dirty.
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https://twitter.com/jaredlholt/status/1161312247194542080?s=21
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Misconfigured webserver, I bet E: oh it's just a first responder leak Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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 Hey friends. This circular Epstein chat has kinda moved beyond the major intent of this thread, which is around Hollywood and the film industry's issues with misconduct specifically. Please move that conversation to this CSPAM thread or this D&D thread Please refrain from continuing the Epstein chat in here. Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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Let's get back to thread favorite Louis C.K. to get something on topic. This interview from the L.A. Times of Hannah Gadsby in June is somehow getting a little more attention two months later, since she is up for two Emmys: https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/la-en-st-hannah-gadsby-nanette-20190610-story.html#nws=true quote:You establish the comic tone early in “Douglas,” saying you quit comedy the same way Louis C.K. said he was sorry.
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Franchescanado posted:
Just out of curiosity what’s the difference between CSPAM and D&D? Is it just tone and attitude?
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Steve Yun posted:Just out of curiosity what’s the difference between CSPAM and D&D? Is it just tone and attitude? CSPAM is good leftist thought, while D&D is centrism and war crimes apologia.
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Steve Yun posted:Just out of curiosity what’s the difference between CSPAM and D&D? Is it just tone and attitude? D&D is leftist, and C-SPAM is very leftist and there are almost no posting rules.
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D&D is where you go to verrit stuff CSPAM is where you go to post kamen rider gifs as prax-is
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