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Crow Jane posted:I'm beginning to dislike Elisabeth Moss so much in this I find myself retroactively disliking Peggy Olsen. I just remind myself that it is the character that sucks. There is nothing wrong with Elisabeth Moss in my opinion. June is so horrible.
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screamin and creamin posted:Eleanor was a huge liability for June's plan to save 52 kids. It was mentioned on the show that she couldn't get decent treatment. Do we know that she could have and would have been saved in Gilead? Maybe they would have performed some "thoughts and prayers" voodoo on her.
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I said come in! posted:I just remind myself that it is the character that sucks. There is nothing wrong with Elisabeth Moss in my opinion. June is so horrible. Except the whole Scientology thing I guess
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I appreciate the sentiment but "an actual crazy person off their meds"would lead me to assume that you, also, have no experience with mental illness, so let's go with the old standby about assuming things about strangers Ah yes, the 'ol " you didn't use the politically correct term so your argument is invalid" defense. Substitute "mentally ill person off their meds" for "crazy person off their meds" and then tell me why I'm wrong you pedant.
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D-Pad posted:Ah yes, the 'ol " you didn't use the politically correct term so your argument is invalid" defense. No, no, you're right, the mentally ill are incapable of being reasoned with, unless they are medicated.
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Crow Jane posted:I'm beginning to dislike Elisabeth Moss so much in this I find myself retroactively disliking Peggy Olsen.
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Aug 13, 2019 02:23
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That finale redeemed the weaker episodes in the season for me. I'm back on the hype train.
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smoobles posted:That finale redeemed the weaker episodes in the season for me. I'm back on the hype train. It was better than the last fifteen or so episodes because things happened.
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Aug 14, 2019 06:25
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I'm not sure June is cut out to lead a resistance cell in the woods if that was her master plan of distraction, to be honest. If she lives, anyway.
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Aug 14, 2019 09:49
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I assume she really has no idea how to shoot or else why the gently caress didn't she just return fire instead of throwing rocks or running away and getting shot.
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Though I suppose it is consistent with her problem solving skills this season always leading to other women dying to decide the best plan is to throw rocks at the single solitary guard and then stay waiting in one spot until he can identify them and start shooting, rather than say, literally anything else.
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Post-finale showrunner interview https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/handmaids-tale-season-3-finale-explained-1231582 Note: June was apparently shot in the shoulder, according to this. On June's eventual ending: quote:"I don't think she has much hope that she's going to get out alive. I think she's more there to gently caress up Gilead." On how Gilead will react to a hundred or so kids taking a Canadian vacation: quote:"So, I think that Gilead, from their point of view, under their set of codes, is going to be ready to go to war over this. I would. They were ready to go to war over the one child." (note: this is the person actually writing the series. "What's it going to lead to? Ya got me, man!" Also, clearly Gilead does *not* have "100% of the US military" or there would be no rebellion.)
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Gilead dudes sure love following people into the woods and getting ganked huh
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Nazis love getting killed in the woods.
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CubanMissile posted:I assume she really has no idea how to shoot or else why the gently caress didn't she just return fire instead of throwing rocks or running away and getting shot. Why would she have any idea how to shoot? Using firearms seems like a good way to get him to call for backup if you don't manage to kill him in the dark while he's behind the cover of his jeep firing an assault rifle at you
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As a writer, it is incredibly frustrating that people getting paid this much don't know what the hell they're going to do for certain. You should have basic outlines. Wafflecopper posted:Gilead dudes sure love following people into the woods and getting ganked huh I'm waiting for June to use a cardboard box next
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Lum_ posted:On how Gilead will react to a hundred or so kids taking a Canadian vacation: This is stupid though and ignores so many logistical considerations. The U.S. military is massively expensive to maintain, about 500 billion dollars a year at least. Its arsenal also covers the entirety of America, and has bases around the world. Gilead would not have access to even a quarter of the U.S. weapons and military vehicles if the maps we have seen on the show, are accurate. And then the writers are ignoring all of the staffing, and years of training, necessary to maintain this military. We've had multiple episodes that explained the world population is on a serious decline, and that Gilead is poor and hurting hard for money and resources.
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Aug 14, 2019 18:44
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And the not insignificant point, reinforced repeatedly in the series (such as defectors in Canada during the Moira-centric episode) that far from all US soldiers would be down with switching over to being enforcers of Gilead.
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Aug 14, 2019 19:31
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This show always falls apart if you think about the logistics of Gilead for more than five seconds, but I think if the last two episodes were indicative of the next season, it'll be pretty good.
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Aug 14, 2019 20:06
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Next season should be fun. Eager to see how they add yet another layer of plot armor to June's character! Seriously, how the gently caress is she gonna get away with it. I guess Lawrence could cover for her, and plot armor will heal her wound before a doctor is like "hmm why does this handmaid have a bullet hole in her," but I feel like all the other Marthas and handmaids in the area are totally hosed.
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Aug 14, 2019 21:28
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Trap sprung but if you look at the map of Gilead they don't have all of the naval bases in the US. They have Norfolk but I think a good amount of aircraft carriers are based in California/Hawaii
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Lum_ posted:And the not insignificant point, reinforced repeatedly in the series (such as defectors in Canada during the Moira-centric episode) that far from all US soldiers would be down with switching over to being enforcers of Gilead. Not to mention they threw out 16% of the military right off the top when they decided women can no longer do jobs, plus the limitation on recruiting/drafting that more men are tied up doing critical civilian work that would've been done by women.
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I think a lot of it is assumed by Canada and the other countries - we're repeatedly told Gilead is a black box, so getting an exact count might be tough, especially without ready access to records. They have to assume the worst, including the fact that if the US government was knocked off, there's a good chance retaliatory nuclear strikes would need to go through a hell of a lot less red tape, for example.
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Aug 14, 2019 23:12
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Pretty good finish. Probably coulda got there a season ago but whatever. I wonder what Nick's up to. Gilead's soldiers are real loving bad.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Next season should be fun. Eager to see how they add yet another layer of plot armor to June's character! I don't think they're going back. They've moved the Waterfords out of Gilead; June's gone way too far to get back in. It's finally headed towards "June becomes Harriet Tubman".
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If nothing else, whoever is writing Serena is doing a good job. All the times she's been able to, she's never once told Luke that Hannah's name is Agnes now. Like, she's got this semi-revival thing going on and just no, she's still the core of who she is. I don't understand how she's getting put up for rape, though? Am I just super seriously spotty with my memory of season 1? Or is Fred bullshitting to get Serena hosed over or what? I thought Serena and June and Nick all hatched that poo poo together? No?
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:I don't understand how she's getting put up for rape, though? Am I just super seriously spotty with my memory of season 1? Or is Fred bullshitting to get Serena hosed over or what? I thought Serena and June and Nick all hatched that poo poo together? No? My guess that it's viewed that, as a commander's wife, she was forced to play her role in the systemic rape of June. She had zero choice in the matter, regardless if she was actually for it. However in this case, she played a direct, voluntary role in directing Nick to "rape" June. From the perspective of the laws of Gilead, it was completely illegal so it's not like it was systemic. The romantic relationship that actually took place means nothing to the Canadian government - in fact I doubt they're aware of it. And from what I remember, Serena was completely unaware of their secret relationship beforehand. Let me know if I'm wrong there. Scrotum Modem fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Aug 15, 2019 |
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I'm totally not down with June surviving, I think this would have been dramatically stronger if she actually did sacrifice herself and they picked up with a new main character. However. This season was rough in spots but they nailed the ending (plus or minus June surviving). And based on how well they wrapped up - tell me you weren't crying during the whole hangar scene - I"m going to trust them to take June into season four and really gently caress Gilead's poo poo up. This whole episode was great. It was shot really well. June with the 10 year old girl. June Osborne putting Joseph in his place. The Martha freaking out. Putting together food, water, and blankets for fifty kids montage (I thought they were making Molotovs at one point). They paid back, and inf act explained, what looked to be a weak season with this episode. I'm looking forward to S04 with a lot more optimism than I was S03.
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Those scenes where they reach Canada and freedom always loving get me but the girl's father being the first person she sees when she gets off the plane was pretty implausible.
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mcmagic posted:Those scenes where they reach Canada and freedom always loving get me but the girl's father being the first person she sees when she gets off the plane was pretty implausible. I'm pretty bad at watching TV. I must have missed how people in Canada knew they were coming at all. I'm also not clear on how Mr. Waterford knew about the Nick/June/Selina plot. I assume someone told him to twist a knife in him at some point, but I don't remember it.
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PostNouveau posted:I'm pretty bad at watching TV. I must have missed how people in Canada knew they were coming at all.
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PostNouveau posted:I'm pretty bad at watching TV. I must have missed how people in Canada knew they were coming at all. Fred knew he was impotent, he told Serena on their car trip. Even he can figure out what happened
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Aug 16, 2019 00:33
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I want June lose touch completely go full psychopath and take Lydia’s place as aunt or grand aunt whatever. Now that would be a great ending.
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So did the bartender ever get paid? Doesn't look like June was hauling a priceless art collection with her.
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Serena is an idiot. She should have contacted Luke and suggested a switch. Luke gets Hannah, if Serena gets Nicole. Would Luke have been willing to trade June's rape baby for his own daughter? Maybe. How would June react to such a choice? I want to see what Gilead does to the widow of the commander who died at Jezebels. How long will they leave her alone? No way Gilead will allow a single mum, no matter previous status. So children split up and adopted by new commanders? Widow becomes an Aunt? Or is placed with a family for safe keeping?
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BattyKiara posted:I want to see what Gilead does to the widow of the commander who died at Jezebels. How long will they leave her alone? No way Gilead will allow a single mum, no matter previous status. So children split up and adopted by new commanders? Widow becomes an Aunt? Or is placed with a family for safe keeping? It sounds like at best a wife in Gilead becomes a Martha once their commander dies. I mean, she was pretty scared at the thought of her husband not coming back, but only because the consequences for her would be severe. I'm really interested in the lore behind this but I doubt it'll ever be explained.
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BattyKiara posted:I want to see what Gilead does to the widow of the commander who died at Jezebels. How long will they leave her alone? No way Gilead will allow a single mum, no matter previous status. So children split up and adopted by new commanders? Widow becomes an Aunt? Or is placed with a family for safe keeping? Eh, they've mined the vein of cruel rules of Gilead society dry. I'm not really interested in see what new horrors they cook up. Do you think the writers have torture pitch meetings? "Today's brainstorming session: What happens in Gilead when hormonal teens run off together" "We chain them on the same post until they starve together!" "We make them cut off each other's limbs one by one" "No, we make them jump off diving boards with weights attached"
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To be fair, the "republican marriage" has precedent. Ironically, it's best known as a method of executing pro-clerical reactionaries.
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Halloween Jack posted:To be fair, the "republican marriage" has precedent. Ironically, it's best known as a method of executing pro-clerical reactionaries. I think we can firmly predict that the punishment for a wife's husband dying is the dunking chair 
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