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If there's something I've learned from the Scholar John Ringo, it's that it's okay to enjoy trash fiction, just so long as you know it's utter trash, why it's trash And so long as the main character isn't an active honest to God pedophile rapist with a no bullshit underaged harem in the middle of the country Georgia where he reigns as the Feudal Warlord and local breeding stud To be fair, everything after the harem is acceptable trash fiction-y bullshit, but it comes with the prefix for a reason
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Aug 21, 2019 05:25
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Origami Dali posted:Guys I just watched all of S. Craig Zahler's films and enjoyed the hell out of them. Is this a problem? I have a feeling it is. i mean, if you can at least grok why people are super uncomfortable about them, i don't think this is a problem? like, Zahler is a legitimately talented writer; the problem is not the quality of his work, it's the horrific viewpoint it seems to come from. e: i actually really like his weird-rear end dialogue, before anyone brings that up. everyone talks like Nice Pete from Achewood, it fuckin' owns
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Aug 21, 2019 05:30
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Origami Dali posted:I mean, I like the original Death Wish and Cannibal Holocaust too, and hoo boy... I get the vibe off him much like some of the edgelord film makers who'll throw anything into a film to get a reaction and roll with the any publicity's good publicity argument.
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Aug 21, 2019 05:34
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Lurdiak posted:The evidence is circumstantial but he's basically a nazi. What is that circumstantial evidence? Not defending him, just curious.
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Aug 21, 2019 05:40
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Exhibit 1 would probably be the Littlest Reich screenplay.
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Aug 21, 2019 05:55
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Origami Dali posted:Guys I just watched all of S. Craig Zahler's films and enjoyed the hell out of them. Is this a problem? I have a feeling it is. Did you like his Puppet Master movie? I tried to give it a chance but it’s pretty loving garbage.
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Aug 21, 2019 07:04
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Yeah, even problematic viewpoints aside, Littlest Reich is a dreadfully lovely movie. Like, no redeeming qualities whatsoever, just interminable boredom.
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Aug 21, 2019 13:37
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I've been watching through Pedro Almodovar's films on the Criterion Channel, and I want to give a shout-out to Matador specifically, and maybe bring it to the attention of a few people in here. It's not a horror movie, and it's not really a thriller, (although there are plenty of elements of both) but it is a psychological erotic dark comedy drama about a series of murders and the characters involved with the investigation. The big reason I want to mention it here is because it is heavily inspired by giallo films. The opening has a character watching a collage of murder scenes from giallos as if it is pornography. Besides the direct references, there's similarities to Deep Red and other Argento flicks, which would spoil some of the weird turns the film takes. Giallos seem to be a big inspiration across his works from the 80's and 90's, and each one incorporates ideas and images that would fit perfectly well in a horror movie. (Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down! is basically a horror movie concept played as a pitch-black rom-com take on Stockholm syndrome, and the characters are employed on the set of a supernatural slasher film with a gloved villain.) CriterionChannel also has his horror film The Skin I Live In. I'm watching them in chronological order (that's the way they're presented on CriterionChannel), so I'm gonna end with that one. It's been a wild, wonderful ride. Maybe don't watch if you're sensitive about heavy sexuality and sexual violence. (Although his comedy Women On The Verge of a Nervous Breakdown is just fun and light, but also has nothing horror related in it.) edit: Also, there's an interview with him on CC.com where he wears a necktie covered in diamonds with a warm peach jacket & black shirt combo, and I don't think it gets any cooler than that. Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Aug 21, 2019 |
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Aug 21, 2019 13:44
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Origami Dali posted:Guys I just watched all of S. Craig Zahler's films and enjoyed the hell out of them. Is this a problem? I have a feeling it is. it's possible and totally fine to enjoy them while also acknowledging the problematic aspects
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Aug 21, 2019 14:01
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COOL CORN posted:Yeah, even problematic viewpoints aside, Littlest Reich is a dreadfully lovely movie. Like, no redeeming qualities whatsoever, just interminable boredom. At the most it's a sit through once just to see how bad it is since describing it comes across as exaggeration. Franchescanado posted:
Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown's one of my all time favorite comedies. To this day I can't have gazpacho without smirking.
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Aug 21, 2019 14:04
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Origami Dali posted:Guys I just watched all of S. Craig Zahler's films and enjoyed the hell out of them. Is this a problem? I have a feeling it is. I thought Dragged Across Concrete wasn't great but Bone Tomahawk and Brawl are extremely good.
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Aug 21, 2019 14:11
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I tried watching Littlest Reich a while back for Crampton and Udo but it just blew so I turned it off. It felt like he wrote that script as a joke or a dare.
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Aug 21, 2019 14:21
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I thought Dragged Across Concrete wasn't great but Bone Tomahawk and Brawl are extremely good. Yea that was my feeling as well. Bone Tomahawk and Brawl are entertaining as hell and I guess I have to just admit that, I enjoyed watching them at the time. Dragged Across Concrete felt like it crossed that line where the problematic aspects of it just completely override anything entertaining about it, and it just felt like a slog that I was ready to be done with about halfway through. I do wonder if that's due to me having full knowledge of what Zahler's been up to though, whereas I saw Bone Tomahawk and Brawl knowing next to nothing about him. Regardless, his current business relationships and the company he keeps make it hard to go back and enjoy those films as much as I did before.
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Aug 21, 2019 14:28
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M_Sinistrari posted:Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown's one of my all time favorite comedies. To this day I can't have gazpacho without smirking. It's pretty much the perfect screwball comedy. I assume that the Coen Bros. saw it, cuz you can see traces of it throughout their comedies. Or maybe they share a mutual inspiration I'm unaware of.
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Aug 21, 2019 14:29
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I really liked Bone Tomahawk and Brawl. I don't care about Littlest Reich, and I'm not actively seeking out Dragged Across Concrete; but if it shows up on Prime or Netflix I'll check it out. Last horror-adjacent movie I watched was Hellboy and as a lifelong fan of the comics I really enjoyed the movie. I'm sad there won't be a sequel. Edit: Also I'm going to have to buy Us. I returned it to my coworker (I'm very excited to hear his thoughts on Demon Knight) but after seeing it twice I want to watch it again. It's like there's more layers there. I want to see it at least one more time. Untrustable fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Aug 21, 2019 |
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Aug 21, 2019 14:40
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The only Zahler movie I saw was Littlest Reich and I have zero interest in anything else he's involved in.
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Aug 21, 2019 17:08
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I had been meaning to check out Bone Tomahawk but when someone tries to describe a movie using the terms “grindhouse” and “more than two hours” at the same time I bristle. And then his Puppet Master turned out to be in the Family Guy vein of “wouldn’t it be funny if bigots were right about everything?” And so no thanks.
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Aug 21, 2019 17:13
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Neo Rasa posted:The only Zahler movie I saw was Littlest Reich and I have zero interest in anything else he's involved in. I’m not defending him here but he didn’t direct Littlest Reich and it’s not at all representative of his earlier movies. I mean it’s really nothing like Bone Tomahawk, which is the one that’s worth watching. It’s worth watching for Kurt Russel and Richard Jenkin’s on screen chemistry alone.
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Aug 21, 2019 17:20
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Splint Chesthair posted:I had been meaning to check out Bone Tomahawk but when someone tries to describe a movie using the terms “grindhouse” and “more than two hours” at the same time I bristle. Bone Tomahawk is just a solid Western with a really strong cast that happens to have a horror bent to it. So I think the runtime is more due to it's Western roots than anything grindhouse. Even knowing what I know about Zahler I was never gonna be able to resist Bone Tomahawk because Western and Horror are probably my two favorite genres.
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Aug 21, 2019 17:23
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Zalher keeps casting Vince Vaughn as a tough guy and imo that’s enough of a reason to skip Brawl and Dragged. Bone Tomahawk is really good though.
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Aug 21, 2019 17:26
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Snack Bitch posted:Zalher keeps casting Vince Vaughn as a tough guy and imo that’s enough of a reason to skip Brawl and Dragged. Bone Tomahawk is really good though. the weird thing is i feel like Vaughn's actually really good in Brawl he's a weird choice but he makes it work
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Aug 21, 2019 17:30
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:the weird thing is i feel like Vaughn's actually really good in Brawl Yea honestly Vaughn's performance was what made the movie for me, he was just a very compelling screen presence. He's also good in Dragged Across Concrete, and Gibson's performance is fine too, they really weren't the problem there(aside from the obviously the choice to cast Gibson in the first place).
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Aug 21, 2019 17:34
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:the weird thing is i feel like Vaughn's actually really good in Brawl He’s extremely good in it and honestly after Brawl and Bone Tomahawk I think Zahler and Vaughn are the people to take on Blood Meridian
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Aug 21, 2019 17:41
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I think Zahler and Vaughn are the people to take on Blood Meridian Absolutely not. I'd rather the adaptation be done by a person that understands genocide of Native Americans is bad, and Vaughn would be laughable in any of the roles.
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Aug 21, 2019 17:43
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Franchescanado posted:Absolutely not. I'd rather the adaptation be done by a person that understands genocide of Native Americans is bad, and Vaughn would be laughable in any of the roles. Vaughn as the Judge, baby. And honestly I think Zahler and McCarthy are roughly the same stripe of conservative
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Aug 21, 2019 17:45
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Vaughn as the Judge, baby. And honestly I think Zahler and McCarthy are roughly the same stripe of conservative That doesn't mean it's a good idea though. I'd rather see something along the lines of Verhoeven's Starship Troopers.
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Aug 21, 2019 17:48
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Basebf555 posted:That doesn't mean it's a good idea though. I'd rather see something along the lines of Verhoeven's Starship Troopers. ...for Blood Meridian? That’s an interesting take. I mean I wouldn’t say no to Verhoeven doing it, it’s just not what I’ve pictured
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Aug 21, 2019 17:51
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:...for Blood Meridian? That’s an interesting take. I mean I wouldn’t say no to Verhoeven doing it, it’s just not what I’ve pictured I don't mean literally that Verhoeven should do it, just that I'd rather see something like that than a straight-faced adaptation by a director with very questionable(if we're being generous) politics.
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Aug 21, 2019 17:54
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Bone Tomahawk is good, but if anything it's held back by its only barely contained racist tropes. When I want to discuss or recommended it, I feel more hesitance about the cannibal savage natives than I do about the horrifying murder. It does feature just the sweetest old man though. God bless Jenkins
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Aug 21, 2019 17:55
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I really desperately want more western horror. The same things that make a good western thrilling are the fundamental function of a horror movie. Namely, the isolation, the vulnerability, low stakes and lack of some form of state apparatus to enforce normality.
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Aug 21, 2019 17:59
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Pomp posted:Bone Tomahawk is good, but if anything it's held back by its only barely contained racist tropes. When I want to discuss or recommended it, I feel more hesitance about the cannibal savage natives than I do about the horrifying murder. Best scene in the movie is at the beginning when they're eating soup. I love when people eat in Westerns, it always makes me hungry. Like in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly when Van Cleef sits down at the guys table and starts eating his soup/stew, I'm always like "drat I want some of that". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArZK6aneeKg Pomp posted:I really desperately want more western horror. The same things that make a good western thrilling are the fundamental function of a horror movie. Namely, the isolation, the vulnerability, low stakes and lack of some form of state apparatus to enforce normality. Yea there's only so many times you can watch Ravenous.
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Aug 21, 2019 18:00
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Pomp posted:I really desperately want more western horror. The same things that make a good western thrilling are the fundamental function of a horror movie. Namely, the isolation, the vulnerability, low stakes and lack of some form of state apparatus to enforce normality. I think I mentioned this last time the topic came up but The Burrowers is really good and underseen and is basically an explicitly anti-racist version of Bone Tomahawk
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Aug 21, 2019 18:02
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Vaughn as the Judge, baby. I don't have a good idea for who would be a great Judge, since he's such a unique, enigmatic character. If I had to name an actor with the chops? Joaquin Phoenix, perhaps. Even then, it'd be a weird fit. It's gotta be someone who can be terrifying when they're just stoically sitting on their horse, jotting down notes in his book. Willem Dafoe could do it, but he's a little old at this point. The Judge's age is ambiguous, but he's youthful despite being completely hairless and pale and definitely older than 40. But not Vaughn, no. Basebf555 posted:Best scene in the movie is at the beginning when they're eating soup. I love when people eat in Westerns, it always makes me hungry. Like in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly when Van Cleef sits down at the guys table and starts eating his soup/stew, I'm always like "drat I want some of that". Lonesome Dove's biscuit talk gets me.
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Aug 21, 2019 18:04
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Franchescanado posted:I don't have a good idea for who would be a great Judge, since he's such a unique, enigmatic character. If I had to name an actor with the chops? Joaquin Phoenix, perhaps. Even then, it'd be a weird fit. It's gotta be someone who can be terrifying when they're just stoically sitting on their horse, jotting down notes in his book. Willem Dafoe could do it, but he's a little old at this point. The Judge's age is ambiguous, but he's youthful despite being completely hairless and pale and definitely older than 40. Garrett Dillahunt comes to mind right away.
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Aug 21, 2019 18:05
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Basebf555 posted:Garrett Dillahunt comes to mind right away. He’s not really physically imposing enough. Look we all know the real answer is John Goodman thirty years ago but that ship has sailed
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Aug 21, 2019 18:07
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I think I mentioned this last time the topic came up but The Burrowers is really good and underseen and is basically an explicitly anti-racist version of Bone Tomahawk I guess I'm watching this tonight
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Aug 21, 2019 18:07
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I’m also looking forward to The Wind coming out on dvd, that looked like a neat horror western. Anyone seen it?
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Aug 21, 2019 18:09
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I’m also looking forward to The Wind coming out on dvd, that looked like a neat horror western. Anyone seen it? I saw it. It was good, not great. A pretty straight forward story with 1-2 stand out scenes that make it worth watching. Overall nothing to write home about though. Also I recently saw the Nightingale by the director of the Babadook. While not horror, there are certainly some scenes that are horrifying. It's probably the best of the revenge-chase movies I've seen. It reminded me a lot of a gritter version of the Patriot or The Revenant.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:He’s not really physically imposing enough. He's not small though, and he certainly has an imposing presence when he wants to. He did play a Terminator after all, and I thought his role in Looper was pretty imposing too.
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