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Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


wasn’t Elon on one of his panels or groups or whatever the gently caress it was

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gschmidl
Sep 3, 2011

watch with knife hands

Suddenly I hate Elon a lot less again.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

gschmidl posted:

Suddenly I hate Elon a lot less again.

i don't

broken clock will catch fire twice a day etc

gschmidl
Sep 3, 2011

watch with knife hands

Truga posted:

i don't

broken clock will catch fire twice a day etc

Drumpf's broke-brained syphilitic garbagevomit makes me want to end it all, Musk just makes me laugh at how stupid he is.

Peanut Butler
Jul 25, 2003



gschmidl posted:

Drumpf's broke-brained syphilitic garbagevomit makes me want to end it all, Musk just makes me laugh at how stupid he is.

this is baffling to me because they're like p much the same guy

Not a Children
Oct 9, 2012

Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

No way they're not going to settle that wal mart lawsuit for an undisclosed sum. Any protracted lawsuit is going to reveal some very, very inconvenient things

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Not a Children posted:

No way they're not going to settle that wal mart lawsuit for an undisclosed sum. Any protracted lawsuit is going to reveal some very, very inconvenient things

This guys an idiot do it musk

Fight it
Disrupt walmart

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Rigged Death Trap posted:

This guys an idiot do it musk

Fight it
Disrupt walmart

only a coward settles.

you're not a coward, are you?

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Sedisp posted:

Because it is a capitalism problem pollution is literally the first example any economics class will use as a market failure.

Also because the US is the single greatest polluter per capita and possibly in total. If the US isn't fixed the rest of the world could completely eliminate carbon emissions, it still burns.

While I don't have numbers on all different kinds of pollution put together, the CO2 pollution numbers do not quite agree with your statements.
Judging by data from 2014, the US had CO2 emissions in metric tons per capita at around 16.5 (down ~27% from 22.5 in 1973), while Qatar in 2014 had CO2 emissions in metric tons per capita of 43.9, followed by Curacao at 37.7 with Trinidad and Tobago at 34.
The US is high up when only looking at "the West", but still got beaten out by Luxembourg. By comparison, China was only at 7.5 back in 2014, but that's up by 177% from 2.7 in 2001 or 581% from 1.1 around 1974 and likely still rising.

While the US is the country with the second highest total CO2 emissions at about 5.2 billion metric tons in 2014, China has almost twice the total CO2 emissions at just under 10.3 billion metric tons in 2014. China would likely be even higher if they were not constantly expanding that massive railroad network.
India is 3rd at roughly 2.2 billion metric tons and while likely continue to rise for a while as they grow wealthier. They may even overtake the US in the not too distant future.
While the US seems to have peaked around the 2004-2007 timeframe and has declined a little since then in CO2 emissions, China's emissions were still rising as recently as 2013 to 2014.

General pollution has historically also been just as bad (or far worse) in say... communist countries like China, the Soviet Union, East Germany and many other countries around central or eastern Europe.
I'm not saying the US doesn't have problems, they clearly do (as do the rest of us). I'm just saying that many of the problems of the US are not inherently a general capitalism issue. Some are more US specific, like the culture of building everything around The Car™, and most of the others happen regardless of government types.

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

The Glumslinger posted:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump...ingawful.com%2F

Smelling a cross over episode in the near future

yea this tweet reeks of musk stink, its always good to see how similar these two are

FistEnergy
Nov 3, 2000

DAY CREW: WORKING HARD

Fun Shoe

Not a Children posted:

No way they're not going to settle that wal mart lawsuit for an undisclosed sum. Any protracted lawsuit is going to reveal some very, very inconvenient things

That lawsuit says that Walmart already spent months trying to get Tesla to settle and make it right and they never paid out a thing lmao

Let Musk drive em over a cliff

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


New Buyer Questions (self.teslamotors)


I ordered a Model 3 (Red Performance) on July 21 and July 22nd a VIN was assigned. They immediately assigned me a delivery date of July 25th. I had yet to finalize the financing and insurance and needed at least one week to get everything together. I was able to actually talk to somebody in the sales department at the SC and they told me they couldn't hold the VIN the extra week, but I would be assigned one the next week. I also live 2.5 hours away from the delivery center and need to coordinate with work seeing as they could only offer a weekday delivery date. Coming up on the new delivery date (Aug 1) I had no VIN and couldn't get a hold of anybody (had to escalate via live chat) until the day before my new scheduled delivery date were they told me they only had a car with about 350ish miles on it. I could take it or I could wait for a new one. The delivery specialist suggested I wait for the new one. I agreed and now I'm waiting.

It's now August 21 and I have yet to be reassigned a VIN and have trouble getting in touch with anybody at Tesla. Is there a better way to talk to somebody besides just trying to leave voicemails? I'm also guessing it's just a waiting game at this point to? My loan is only good until the 8/24 and I was told by the delivery specialist I would have a car before then. My bank has told me it won't be a big deal to reapply, but it's just frustrating addition to the process.

Any suggestions?

EDIT: Delivery Specialist reached out to me just a little bit ago. Car needs to be built from scratch so it's going to be a while longer. Hopefully before the quarter ends! Thanks for all the responses :)

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


FSD Price Makes No Sense... (self.teslamotors)

Can somebody rationalize the current price point of FSD for me?

I bought my LR RWD 3 w/ EAP back in Nov. 2018. I paid 5k for EAP with the option to add FSD for an additional 2k (or maybe it was 3k?). Lets call it 3k for arguments sake (someone who remembers, let me know...). I declined since there was currently no sign of FSD on the horizon. At any rate, here we are almost months later, the current "deal" for EAP owners is to upgrade to FSD for an additional 3k, with the threat (errrrr "promise") to increase the price by an additional 1k and then continue to increase as the product improves (that's an interesting business model...). So, somebody who buys the car today, can get a LR AWD w/ FSD for LESS than I paid for my LR RWD w/ EAP less than a year ago.

OK, fine - I understand there is a certain cost to be an early adopter and prices inevitably go down over time (except in the case of FSD apparently...). That being said, why is it someone who paid less for more car (a whole 2nd motor added!) a few months ago can go online today and purchase FSD for 6k. But I go online to buy and its 3k. That is to say, we are purchasing the exact same product at the exact same time, except my total bill is 8k while this other guy only has to pay 6k. To top it off, the guy paying 6k gets all my EAP features immediately after purchase while I literally get vaporware... If FSD is currently being sold for 6K, WHY ON EARTH should I have to pay 8k?

The price of FSD for current EAP users should be a 1k right now, since they are selling FSD (I.E. - EAP + the promise of FSD in the future) for 6k today. I already paid my 5k into EAP, so it should only be an additional 1k to add FSD package. It makes absolutely no sense to be charging me more when we are buying the same thing on the same day.

The ONLY rationale I can think of would be that my car has to be serviced at some point to have the computer hardware swapped to HW3. That said, there is absolutely no way that process is costing them anywhere near the extra 2k they are charging me. But even that wouldn't be a valid excuse either since they are apparently just "gifting" FSD to anyone who took delivery between Jan & end of Feb '19 (according to some posts on here).

Seriously, how does this make any sense?

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Robo Taxis are Here

Tesla is clearly producing a lot of white cars lately. Today I saw a picture of a truck full of identical white Model 3’s, all with standard wheels. Curious thing is that when I look at the new car inventory, I see very few white cars available. So where are they going? And then it dawned on me. The robo taxis are here.

Possible Scenario: Perhaps Tesla has found an investor that wants to invest in a fleet of robo taxis. There are many deep pocketed investors out there looking to invest in ride sharing and autonomous vehicles. Or perhaps it is Tesla themselves. If Tesla can get the autonomous software working, the economics are clear. Musk has stated that the cost of FSD is going to be going up at a steady pace, so the motivation to invest early is there. Now imagine that Tesla sets aside its more automated assembly line and paint shop to only produce identical white cars, and they dedicate the “tent” to assembling all other cars. And through this simplification perhaps they can get the automated line up to a steady 5,000 cars per week, as it was originally rated, and perhaps at the same time through this simplification they can drive the cost down.

From a revenue perspective, let’s assume that all of these cars are standard cars sold at $35,000. However, it would make sense to buy them all with FSD, which is currently $6,000. So the selling price of each is $41K. All the sudden you have a steady revenue stream of $10 billion per year (5,000 cars/wk x $41k/car x 50wks). I can imagine a margin on this of 20% and rising (cash generation is even higher as much of cost is non cash depreciation, so already perhaps they generate $20k/car in cash), particularly as the functionality of FSD goes up along with higher selling price. And as they become true robo taxis, they will start to sell at a “market clearing price” that could be multiples of $41k/car. Simultaneously many more people get to experience the Model 3, which will also drive sales of higher spec cars.

Until FSD is working, you rent them out or use UBER drivers. Certainly enough to cover the economics of investing in the cars now. And if you buy the cars now, as the owner you participate in the upside when they become Robo taxis. Tesla could start to run auctions and sell them off in blocks of 5,000 cars to the highest bidder. Very low selling general and administrative expenses. Will also drive up demand of S & X.

Boost in revenue from super chargers as all these taxis charge allows for rapid increase in super charger infrastructure. Tesla solar provides the electricity for super charges, which is bought from individual’s roof tops and stored in Tesla batteries at charging stations, which also provide grid stabilisation through distributed power storage at all stations and homes.

Could be an interesting period ahead...

:lol:
That's a weird post, even for Reddit.

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

How do the i love car bazingas exist
How can they afford their burning piles of poo poo

FistEnergy
Nov 3, 2000

DAY CREW: WORKING HARD

Fun Shoe
:catdrugs:

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Rigged Death Trap posted:

How do the i love car bazingas exist
How can they afford their burning piles of poo poo

this may come as a shock to you, but rich people are incredibly loving dumb

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

this may come as a shock to you, but rich people are incredibly loving dumb

This... this can't be right! I heard they earned their wealth by being better than the poors?

Failson
Sep 2, 2018
Fun Shoe

baka kaba posted:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1163025594180726784

lol is it actually legal to say this kind of thing? most companies that come out with this stuff are at least faceless entities where everyone can disappear when the law starts asking questions

also elon's back on the science

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1163891642425860096

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1163001145855340544

Want to go back to this monumental bit of stupidity, I'm an idiot, and even I know that that's not how any of that works.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Bofast posted:

General pollution has historically also been just as bad (or far worse) in say... communist countries like China, the Soviet Union, East Germany and many other countries around central or eastern Europe.
I'm not saying the US doesn't have problems, they clearly do (as do the rest of us). I'm just saying that many of the problems of the US are not inherently a general capitalism issue. Some are more US specific, like the culture of building everything around The Car™, and most of the others happen regardless of government types.

pollution is always an issue (especially in rapidly industrialising economies, and people definitely get thrown under the bus there) but capitalism incentivises doing nothing to prevent it (less spending = more profit) or actively polluting (dump it and make it someone else's problem). that FYGM attitude is just baked into the system, you have to regulate it to stop companies being so darn successful

then there's the whole issue of selling your pollution quota so others can do the polluting you didn't *cough elon*. that's literally generating pollution for profit, very capitalism

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

wasn’t Elon on one of his panels or groups or whatever the gently caress it was

Musk fanboys were defending that as how else is he expecting to make change for good unless he's this close to the president to influence him. Next I'll expect them to argue that employing people to talk to politicians and try to influence their votes and decisions in the way that benefits the company is good as well

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Yeah, some congressman will be sitting on a bill reading it and all its flaws. Basically says "I still love it" and signs off on it.

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

WhyteRyce posted:

Musk fanboys were defending that as how else is he expecting to make change for good unless he's this close to the president to influence him. Next I'll expect them to argue that employing people to talk to politicians and try to influence their votes and decisions in the way that benefits the company is good as well

This was my brother... goddamn.

gschmidl
Sep 3, 2011

watch with knife hands

Peanut Butler posted:

this is baffling to me because they're like p much the same guy

One is a dumb, thin-skinned gently caress who will, in the end, be forgotten and not leave a mark on the planet.

The other is a dumb, thin-skinned malevolent oval office who is ruining a nation, and the planet, and will be next to Hitler in the "what not to elect" sections of history books.

Let's stop talking about him, though, I can already feel the bile trying to overflow.

FistEnergy
Nov 3, 2000

DAY CREW: WORKING HARD

Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/Coyoteblog/status/1164205903748321281?s=19

walmart DESTROYS idiot bazingas with FACTS and LOGIC

orange sky
May 7, 2007

Ratings agencies are a scam

E: gently caress that, it's teslarati. Moodys upgraded tesla

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

D1E posted:

Did you guys know that the sun generates a *lot* of energy?

I learn something new from Elon every day!

If we point out to Musk that tropical cyclones are estimated to release heat energy at a rate of roughly 10^15 Watt (one billion MegaWatt), do you think that he will start a new company to harness cyclone power?

Just-In-Timeberlake
Aug 18, 2003

Bofast posted:

If we point out to Musk that tropical cyclones are estimated to release heat energy at a rate of roughly 10^15 Watt (one billion MegaWatt), do you think that he will start a new company to harness cyclone power?

he’ll just rebadge a Dyson and bazingas will claim he invented it

Teal
Feb 25, 2013

by Nyc_Tattoo

The Glumslinger posted:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump...ingawful.com%2F

Smelling a cross over episode in the near future

he's going to ban catalytic converters isn't be

ChaseSP
Mar 25, 2013



I wish the morona going on about automated driving would atleast pur their dumb dream idea to something more worth it like public transportation given it already operates on a preset route. Even then it'd be a disaster but it would sure as hell be more easier than dealing with hundreds of independent ai driven cars.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


bioshock infinite but it’s Tesla floating cars

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

ChaseSP posted:

I wish the morona going on about automated driving would atleast pur their dumb dream idea to something more worth it like public transportation given it already operates on a preset route. Even then it'd be a disaster but it would sure as hell be more easier than dealing with hundreds of independent ai driven cars.

some of them are, it just still doesn't work very well, even when it's a bus driving a mile in a straight line

Teal
Feb 25, 2013

by Nyc_Tattoo

abelwingnut posted:

aren’t there massive, constant, sustaining explosions at the core of the sun? i’ve heard and read this from multiple sources.
"explosion" implies rapid sudden movement "out of somewhere"

stars are more or less constant in their volume on stellar scale, they don't explode, they "churn" as the massive energy trying to push them apart is in in equilibrium with the massive energy pulling them together

I guess you could call stellar flares "explosions". when a star goes supernova it totally is a massive explosion as it throws away a massive amount of energy and mass in an instant

funnily enough as star explodes as a supernova the core typically simultánnost implodes intro a white dwarf, neutron star or a blackhole

saying our sun "has explosions inside" is astrophysical analogy of "pee is stored in the balls"

Teal has issued a correction as of 17:46 on Aug 21, 2019

Teal
Feb 25, 2013

by Nyc_Tattoo

Admiral Ray posted:

Nuke Mars refers to a continuous stream of very low fallout nuclear fusion explosions above the atmosphere to create artificial suns. Much like our sun, this would not cause Mars to become radioactive

Nuke Mars refers to a continuous stream of very low fallout nuclear fusion explosions above the atmosphere to create artificial suns. Much like our sun, this would not cause Mars to become radioactive

Nuke Mars refers to a continuous stream of very low fallout nuclear fusion explosions above the atmosphere to create artificial suns. Much like our sun, this would not cause Mars to become radioactive

Nuke Mars refers to a continuous stream of very low fallout nuclear fusion explosions above the atmosphere to create artificial suns. Much like our sun, this would not cause Mars to become radioactive

Nuke Mars refers to a continuous stream of very low fallout nuclear fusion explosions above the atmosphere to create artificial suns. Much like our sun, this would not cause Mars to become radioactive

that's a trick question, Mars surface is lethally radioactive today, as is

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

this may come as a shock to you, but rich people are incredibly loving dumb

Nah thats undisputable.
I even got in a heated argument with my brother that investors are dumb as all hell and when theres a bubble they devolve into gibbering, drooling, lobotomized apes.

But how the gently caress can you operate in life with this level of blind trust to corporations.
Yeah i may have gotten overcharged by 1k$ thats nothing and i didnt get the car and the features i ordered and paid for in advance may ot may not come but I LOVE CAR

Rigged Death Trap has issued a correction as of 17:53 on Aug 21, 2019

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Teal posted:

he's going to ban catalytic converters isn't be

My money's on bringing back leaded gasoline.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Captain_Maclaine posted:

My money's on bringing back leaded gasoline.

i thought that but i honestly suspect that's too complicated. my money is on removing some safety feature on the basis it reduces weight.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



The Glumslinger posted:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump...ingawful.com%2F

Smelling a cross over episode in the near future

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1164217925152067584

:hmmyes:

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Tokamak posted:

If robotaxis were networked together and synchronised to accelerate at the same time, there would be no traffic jam. bing bong so simple.

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Not a Children
Oct 9, 2012

Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

I can't believe that was a real thing that got posted in a newspaper of record

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