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Wow. I think I've managed not to post in two threads now. This "being a grownup" thing really eats into your time.
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BalloonFish posted:It was to make the Lend-Lease aircraft fit the official naming scheme. Well dang, that makes a lot more sense than I was expecting.
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Aug 22, 2019 11:11
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Arquinsiel posted:This "being a grownup" thing really eats into your time.
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Aug 22, 2019 11:15
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FAUXTON posted:Well dang, that makes a lot more sense than I was expecting. He's opened a whole new genie out the bottle now. I kind of want to know the Soviet naming conventions.
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Aug 22, 2019 11:30
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SeanBeansShako posted:He's opened a whole new genie out the bottle now. I kind of want to know the Soviet naming conventions. I’ve never really heard any “official” nicknames for Soviet fighters. It’s always model numbers and they’re usually progressive numbering, including helicopters. NATO identifier nicknames are what you hear after all of them were always just words that started with F or B or H for the aircraft type/role. There is some numbering structure to Soviet systems though, you’ll very rarely find fighters with even numbers or bombers with odd numbers. They’ve also always gone really heavy on abbreviations added for airframe changes. For example the Su-30MKI: MKI stands for "Modernizirovannyi, Kommercheskiy, Indiski" meaning "Modernized, Commercial, Indian". Those changes can be pretty comprehensive over time. Mazz fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Aug 22, 2019 |
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Aug 22, 2019 11:37
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Almost finished reading the kursk book i have. Its good.
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Aug 22, 2019 11:48
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Mazz posted:I’ve never really heard any “official” nicknames for Soviet fighters. It’s always model numbers and they’re usually progressive numbering, including helicopters. NATO identifier nicknames are what you hear after all of them were always just words that started with F or B or H for the aircraft type/role. I mean nicknames will also do.
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Aug 22, 2019 11:51
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SeanBeansShako posted:I mean nicknames will also do. I feel like I’ve heard a couple over time from like aircrew nicknames but they’re not coming to mind, just the NATO identifiers this morning. The only thing I do remember is how the aircrews liked to siphon off the grain alcohol coolant/de-icer used on the MiG-25 and get shitfaced. I’m pretty sure it was partly methanol too, filtered through a loaf of bread. Mazz fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Aug 22, 2019 |
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Aug 22, 2019 12:04
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HEY GUNS posted:good lord what have you been doing
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Aug 22, 2019 12:19
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Sometimes Soviet/Russians would adopt the reporting name as a nickname, in particular the Fulcrum because it was actually positive.
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Aug 22, 2019 12:21
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FrangibleCover posted:Meanwhile in the UK the Wildcat became the Martlet, the Hellcat became the Gannet, the Avenger became the Tarpon, the Vindicator became the Chesapeake, the Havoc became the Boston and the Warhawk became the Kittyhawk. Y'all were good at naming warships, at least. Yes, I'm including the Flower class and the HMS Gay Viking.
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Aug 22, 2019 12:27
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SeanBeansShako posted:I mean nicknames will also do. I know the Soviets called the MI-24 Helicopter Gunship (the "Hind"), the "Crocodile ". Also, not airplanes, but there was conusion about sub names. NATO would give Soviet subs phonetic alphabet names. So, for instance, the "November" class was a nuclear sub made in the late 50s-early 60s. (The Soviets called it the Whale). It was replaced by the Victor I class (Soviet name "rufle"), and so on. NATO ran out of letters, so in the 80s, they named a new Soviet sub class the "Akula" (Russian for shark). Unfortunately, the Soviets already had a sub class called the Akula....the boomers that NATO called the Typhoons. So, there was a bunch of confusion there.
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Aug 22, 2019 12:34
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Cythereal posted:Y'all were good at naming warships, at least. Yes, I'm including the Flower class and the HMS Gay Viking. A lot of the sailors aboard the Flowers viewed the naming of the class as a cunning psychological warfare tool against German U-boat crews; while dying for the Fuhrer might be glorious, being killed by a ship named for a flower like Hyacinth, Periwinkle or Cowslip was faintly comical.
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Aug 22, 2019 13:15
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Randomcheese3 posted:A lot of the sailors aboard the Flowers viewed the naming of the class as a cunning psychological warfare tool against German U-boat crews; while dying for the Fuhrer might be glorious, being killed by a ship named for a flower like Hyacinth, Periwinkle or Cowslip was faintly comical. imagining a last ditch revenge mission ordered from the bunker in Berlin to find and sink the legendary sub-hunter Pansy
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FAUXTON posted:imagining a last ditch revenge mission ordered from the bunker in Berlin to find and sink the legendary sub-hunter Pansy Perhaps the Pansy would be teamed up with the blockade runner HMS Gay Viking
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Aug 22, 2019 15:28
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Arquinsiel posted:Wow. I think I've managed not to post in two threads now. This "being a grownup" thing really eats into your time. I skipped 9850 posts to get on this thread. 
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Aug 22, 2019 15:40
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Cythereal posted:Y'all were good at naming warships, at least. Yes, I'm including the Flower class and the HMS Gay Viking. 
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Aug 22, 2019 15:58
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Random uniform question: When did name tags/strips/things on military uniforms become a thing?
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Aug 22, 2019 16:23
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If there’s a reasonable explanation for this name I don’t want to know what it is.
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Aug 22, 2019 16:49
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So I'm currently vacationing down in Antibes, France, and would you believe it they have an actual early star fort sitting around right here, named Fort Carée. It was built in the 16th century on a small peninsula at the border to the city of Nice, which was controlled by the duchy of Savoy at the time. So enjoy a few terrible pictures and bits of trivia I managed to snag. First off, a model of the whole thing to give an overview. There's a central round tower, containing all the accommodations for the garrison of 50, surrounded by 4 triangular bastions containing cannon embrasures and a patrol/firing step. The larger building on the bottom bastion contains the officer's quarters, and below to its right is the actual entrance:  Each bastion was largely similar, with a few cannon embrasures, and a small store room for arms and ammunition at their very tip:   All bastions have two embrasures made specifically for enfilading fire along the walls of the adjacent ones. This guaranteed that there was no one blind angle where no cannon could reach. Here's a shot from directly above one of those, showing how it can shoot right along the wall of the neighbouring bastions, with the mirroring embrasure visible in the centre:  Each bastion is named for the place it's pointing towards, that being Nice, Corsica, Antibes, and, well, France  . Here's a shot of the Bastion Nice, with the actual city of Nice in the far right background: Here's a shot of the central tower from one of the bastions. There was a rather strict policy of separation between the buildings: The tower was for living only, and the bastions for fighting/guarding only. Unfortunately, the tower was pretty drat cramped for 50 people, leading to a lot of impromptu expansions made by soldiers whenever they could get away with it. Shacks and lean-tos for sleeping would spring up on the bastions, and were dutifully razed whenever an inspection came about. One time some genius even carved out a new furnace at the lowest floor, which ended up being located right next to the powder magazine.  Finally, the most important place of all: the shitter. It turns out to be literally just a hole in the wall located in one of the bastions. And yes, there was only one of these available for 50+ people.  Eventually Vauban himself came around to inspect it, and basically declared it to be nice but also pretty much useless on account of being much too small. I suppose he had a point, looking at those embrasures it seemed like you'd only manage to get about 4 cannon on a given target at the best of times. He immediately set about massively expanding the scale of the fortifications by basically turning the entire peninsula into a huge fort with embrasures at the beaches and the original fort at the centre, but those modifications were never quite finished. Afterwards the fort was mostly used as a training ground, with the surrounding peninsula being turned into a huge obstacle course.
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Aug 22, 2019 16:53
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Spacewolf posted:Random uniform question: When did name tags/strips/things on military uniforms become a thing? Do you mean name tapes like "John Q. Dickface" on modern uniforms or do you mean like other forms of unit identification?
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Aug 22, 2019 16:56
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SeanBeansShako posted:I mean nicknames will also do. I've read that crews would call both the MiG-23 and Su-24 as "Suitcase" because of their boxy geometry. Meanwhile Su-25 was called "Rook" (the bird, not chess piece).
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Aug 22, 2019 16:58
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Spacewolf posted:Random uniform question: When did name tags/strips/things on military uniforms become a thing? This is an old German invention! 
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Aug 22, 2019 17:00
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Nenonen posted:This is an old German invention! Man I didn't realize that Göring went to Africa
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Aug 22, 2019 17:06
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Nenonen posted:This is an old German invention! this is why i asked my question - these are unit identifiers, not John Q Dickface identifiers edit: and unit identifiers on uniforms go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back
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Aug 22, 2019 17:25
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:this is why i asked my question - these are unit identifiers, not John Q Dickface identifiers Coincidentally, Hermann Göring was caught precisely because he was carrying forged papers for John Q Dickface.
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Aug 22, 2019 17:37
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MikeCrotch posted:Sometimes Soviet/Russians would adopt the reporting name as a nickname, in particular the Fulcrum because it was actually positive. I have to ask given the red text, do you have a link to your Bolognese recipe?
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Aug 22, 2019 17:38
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Carillon posted:I have to ask given the red text, do you have a link to your Bolognese recipe? Its a joke. 2 threads ago someone asked and there is no recipe.
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Aug 22, 2019 17:45
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TK-42-1 posted:If there’s a reasonable explanation for this name I don’t want to know what it is. It's the name of a bug.
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Aug 22, 2019 18:13
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TK-42-1 posted:If there’s a reasonable explanation for this name I don’t want to know what it is. I don't recall any kind of Rooster Rubbing fad in the late 19th century.... Either that or some dude is being a smug RN francophobe and thinks he's sticking it to the French. Awww, the magic just got ruined .
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Aug 22, 2019 18:24
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SeanBeansShako posted:I don't recall any kind of Rooster Rubbing fad in the late 19th century.... HMS Smug Francophobe would be a fine name.
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Aug 22, 2019 18:43
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and the HMS Angry Scotsman
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Aug 22, 2019 18:53
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Carillon posted:I have to ask given the red text, do you have a link to your Bolognese recipe? If you're American a Pepperami is a Slim Jim
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Aug 22, 2019 18:54
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Zorak of Michigan posted:HMS Smug Francophobe would be a fine name. The RN's name-trolling tends to be (slightly) subtler than that. Consider the case of President. The Brits capture the heavy frigate, pride of the USN, one of the original frigates, named after one of the nation's defining political principles and which was involved in the flashpoint that kicked off the War of 1812. The ship is taken into RN service as the (slightly oxymoronic) His Majesty's Ship President. In 1829, 11 years after the original ship was found to be rotten and broken up, the RN commissions an exact replica, even though it's far from a worthwhile design. The new ship, still called HMS President, is sent to be flagship of the North American Station under the command of the officer who directed the burning of Washington DC. Really smacks of "No, I'm totally over it...see how totally over 1812 I am. I'm FINE. Gawd..."
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Aug 22, 2019 18:58
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Secretly neither the US or Canada is over the War of 1812.
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Aug 22, 2019 19:00
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BalloonFish posted:Really smacks of "No, I'm totally over it...see how totally over 1812 I am. I'm FINE. Gawd..." I mean it's not like Britain lost the war, sooo?
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Aug 22, 2019 19:13
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Secretly neither the US or Canada is over the War of 1812. This is extremely true. Oddly enough I don't get the sense that it's all that big a deal in Quebec, despite the French militia probably being the best performing Canadian units.
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Aug 22, 2019 19:15
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Secretly neither the US or Canada is over the War of 1812. I wasn't even really aware that anything important happened in 1812. In fact, I didn't know anything really occurred in the US between 1800 and 1861. This is a joke based on vague recollections of my US history education in elementary school and high school
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feedmegin posted:I mean it's not like Britain lost the war, sooo? When you think about it, no one who matters lost that war , since the fate of Native Americans don't matter in things written during the 19th century.
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