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Mokinokaro posted:I'd argue it's the best of the 90s Disney renaissance films, at least for the target market. Although once you grow up Beauty and the Beast is secretly the best one
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Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin are hands down the best, but Scar has the best bad guy song of the three.
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Aug 24, 2019 14:14
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Lion King is some divine right of kings bullshit, overthrow the corrupt feline monarchy
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Aug 24, 2019 14:17
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Of course Lion King is the best. It's the most anime of them all.
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Aug 24, 2019 14:21
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Beauty and the Beast is boring as hell though
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Aug 24, 2019 14:23
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Solice Kirsk posted:Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin are hands down the best, but Scar has the best bad guy song of the three. Be Prepared might well be one of the best Disney songs, period. It's really a match-up between it and Poor Unfortunate Souls (because let's be honest, the villain songs are always the most fun), and I think the winner comes down to if the person in your main friend group most likely to belt out a Disney song at karaoke is a man or a woman. The worst part of the Lion King remake is that they basically excised Be Prepared. Don't look it up, it'll just make you sad.
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The Moon Monster posted:Well the animation IS pretty great, although it makes Virginia look more like Pandora or possibly Valinor.  No, it is not. Pocahontas looks like hot trash. They obsessed so much on rotoscoping, the character's faces slide around, particularly John Smith. It also has a lot of early CG which is not blended well, especially Mother Willow Watch it again, and with the exception of the few hero shots of Pocahontas' hair flopping around, you will see it is quite possibly the worst-looking film, technically, that Disney has ever put out.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:
I guess I was mostly just paying attention to the backgrounds and purple hat guy.
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Aug 24, 2019 15:27
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Hercules, Princess and the Frog and Mulan are my favs idk what that says about me if anything
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Aug 24, 2019 16:26
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Hercules is just Greek Superman, and what the hell, it works.
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Aug 24, 2019 16:30
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I mostly judge them by how obnoxious the Hebrew dub was when my much younger siblings were watching them on loop. Jungle Book had really good voice acting, other than Scar most of the dubbing for Lion King was pretty bad.
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Aug 24, 2019 16:31
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The Great Mouse Detective doesn't get enough love. Rattigan is one of the best Disney villians ever.
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Aug 24, 2019 16:50
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The best Disney movie is A Goofy Movie.
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Aug 24, 2019 16:52
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Hunchback was my favorite as a kid because it was dark and the music was this sweeping gothic score, with beautiful background visuals. But were they seriously ignorant about the connotations of the word "gypsy" or did they just not care? How did that go over in Europe?
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Aug 24, 2019 16:57
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hyperhazard posted:Hunchback was my favorite as a kid because it was dark and the music was this sweeping gothic score, with beautiful background visuals. Most Americans still think gypsies are like pixies and brownies, and Europeans will go from zero to Hitler in seconds at the mention of the word.
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Aug 24, 2019 16:58
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Push El Burrito posted:The best Disney movie is A Goofy Movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYhvAIEGI_Y
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Most Americans still think gypsies are like pixies and brownies, and Europeans will go from zero to Hitler in seconds at the mention of the word. Canton Gypsy Market posted:Lets Be Gypsies Together
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Sarcopenia posted:The Great Mouse Detective doesn't get enough love. Rattigan is one of the best Disney villians ever. I never watched it. I'm not sure why, it did make it to theaters in Israel, although it's one of the few who were never dubbed. Which shouldn't have mattered, I was perfectly fine with subtitles at the time. Does explain why it never made it to my siblings` playlist.
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Aug 24, 2019 17:04
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i've always had a soft spot for the aristocats (hoo boy that asian cat though...) and 101 dalmatians. i love that old, gritty, kinda scratchy animation. it still looks great
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Aug 24, 2019 17:13
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Black Cauldron doesn't get enough love. Sleeping Beauty is my absolute favorite though. Well, that or Sword and the Stone.
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Aug 24, 2019 17:20
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bad posts ahead!!! posted:i've always had a soft spot for the aristocats (hoo boy that asian cat though...) and 101 dalmatians. i love that old, gritty, kinda scratchy animation. it still looks great it was made with lovely photocopies, that's the secret to that style ftr
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Aug 24, 2019 17:22
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Aug 24, 2019 17:23
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I sincerely believe that a Goofy Movie is the best animated musical ever made
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Aug 24, 2019 17:33
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All of the work that goes into traditional animation is so crazy/cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il8bP4ZS4Vc
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Aug 24, 2019 17:37
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The Sword in the Stone was my favorite as a kid, but I tried watching it again recently and finally noticed how rough it is, with all the reused animation, and Wart's voice changing seemingly every other line. Still love it, though.
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Aug 24, 2019 17:42
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yeah people gave it a lot of poo poo because they didn't spend the extra time and money to clean up the lines but gently caress it, that's a cool aesthetic
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Aug 24, 2019 18:41
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The Lion King is Hamlet for furries.
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Aug 24, 2019 18:51
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Rollersnake posted:The Sword in the Stone was my favorite as a kid, but I tried watching it again recently and finally noticed how rough it is, with all the reused animation, and Wart's voice changing seemingly every other line. Still love it, though. I always liked Higgitus Figgitus more than Bibidi Bobidi Boo, because it felt rougher and less controlled, like Merlin had to struggle to keep the magic obedient. The fairy Godmother's magic felt too unearned, if you are going to bend the laws of the universe to it's breaking point, you've got to expect it to fight back. I also liked Substitutiary Locomotion from Bedknobs and Broomsticks for the same reason. The spell wouldn't listen until she could form a commanding presence and make it listen. She had to do it... with a flair! Higgitus Figgitus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb75RjpvBIk. Just how he totally loses control right at the end there, makes his magic feel more powerful. Because it's like it's fighting back. Substitutiary Locomotion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpmshIjeSv8 same here, the spell won't work unless the chant is said with the correct intonation - you aren't asking it to move, you have to tell it. Also during the battle with the armour chanting the spell is creepy and cool af. Also the fact that in the initial test run the spell leaks so badly to the surrounding area helps it feel more dangerous and primal. BioEnchanted has a new favorite as of 19:17 on Aug 24, 2019 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Hercules is just Greek Superman, and what the hell, it works. Disney’s Hercules is actually more like Greek Jesus if you think about it. He travels around performing great deeds (miracles), he has interactions/temptations with Satan (Hades), he is invoked with a woman with a past (Meg/Mary Magdalene), he makes a meaningful sacrifice at the end of the story which allows him to regain his rightful place in heaven. Disney’s version is much more rooted in Protestant Christianity than it is in the original Greek myth, which isn’t surprising if you look at the audience Disney was/is trying to market to. Oh and having the Greek Muses manifest as black gospel singers really helps sell it too.
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Aug 24, 2019 19:29
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Disney Hercules would be way better if he got tricked into murdering his family.
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hyperhazard posted:But were they seriously ignorant about the connotations of the word "gypsy" or did they just not care? How did that go over in Europe? it feels like its only been like 10 years since gypsy being a slur has really entered in american brains.
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Calaveron posted:I sincerely believe that a Goofy Movie is the best animated musical ever made Hellfire is the best villain song Disney did, it however isn't the best actual song.
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Roobanguy posted:it feels like its only been like 10 years since gypsy being a slur has really entered in american brains. I'd say gypsy is right there with retard and midget in the "sort of know it's a slur, but don't really care yet" category for Americans.
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Aug 24, 2019 19:48
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Disney's Hercules is about rejecting the concept of the Ancient Greek Hero in favor of the modern concept of heroism. Pocahontas kinda sucks except for the songs, which are great. "Gypsy" wasn't a slur in America in the 1990s, we mostly knew it from Cher.
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King of Foolians posted:Disney’s Hercules is actually more like Greek Jesus if you think about it. He travels around performing great deeds (miracles), he has interactions/temptations with Satan (Hades), he is invoked with a woman with a past (Meg/Mary Magdalene), he makes a meaningful sacrifice at the end of the story which allows him to regain his rightful place in heaven. Disney’s version is much more rooted in Protestant Christianity than it is in the original Greek myth, which isn’t surprising if you look at the audience Disney was/is trying to market to. the story of hercules was actually very popular among early-late christians in days gone by because, as you're getting at, some very slight modifications can shift the story into something that loosely matches christian ideals i'd just add that hercules is slightly less of a messiah analogue (e: in the version christians told) and more like a typical fella who starts off as kind of an arrogant rear end in a top hat unaware of his flaws (poor ignorant sinner) but goes down a path at the request of the divine that teaches him humility, self-realization and self-improvement triggered by all the ordeals he faces that culminates in being able righteous enough to travel down to hades itself w/o suffering permanent death to wrestle cerberus as a final test... and then it was off to mount olympus with him the greek version surprisingly isn't too far off, aside from things like the overall tone or the trick heracules had to learn to get into hades, as the greek version also emphasizes his learning of things like humility along the way - the actual ordeals themselves were practically secondary in importance to the character growth that went along with them hard counter has a new favorite as of 19:55 on Aug 24, 2019 |
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Solice Kirsk posted:I'd say gypsy is right there with retard and midget in the "sort of know it's a slur, but don't really care yet" category for Americans. 
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  though joel has said that he intends to change her name to GPC, which is better i guess
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Solice Kirsk posted:I'd say gypsy is right there with retard and midget in the "sort of know it's a slur, but don't really care yet" category for Americans. Borat using it a lot should be a clue.
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Prior to the internet people in the US didn't really use the term gypsy as a slur, so there was no real impetus for us to reevaluate using it. The internet has caused all sorts of delightful things like the ability to know slurs from cultures near and far. It has slowly brought awareness that the origins of the term aren't benign, and that the term is used as a slur pretty much everywhere else. It isn't going away overnight but it is slowly falling out of use in polite conversation. Also some people in the US have started to use it as a slur again, so yay internet.
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Byzantine posted:"Gypsy" wasn't a slur in America in the 1990s, we mostly knew it from Fleetwood Mac. 
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