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Oliver and Company is fine. It's not good, it's not really bad, it's fine. It would entertain a kid for a while. It's all right. It's fine. I am fond of Once Upon A Time In New York City but I have no idea if it's actually a good song or not.
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My favorite Disney film will always be Alice In Wonderland. Disney apparently apologized for it at some point, which strikes me as odd. I know it doesn't follow Lewis Carroll's original books terribly closely in some ways, but I love the trippiness of that film. As far as I can remember, Alice In Wonderland also doesn't have any questionable, poorly aged elements to it like other movies of its era (Peter Pan and the "What makes the red man red" song). So it has that going for it too.
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Aug 25, 2019 16:24
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sweeperbravo posted:Every VHS. Every goddamn VHS had an ad for The Nightmare Before Christmas at the beginning previews. That movie looked so balls to the walls awesome and creepy and cool and my mom refused to let me watch it* because it was "too dark." Eventually I let it go and it became one of those movies everyone else but you has seen and I had come to terms with being that person. I had sort of the same experience with Mars Attacks - the trailers looked AMAZING and I was really excited about seeing it, but I was away the entire summer it was in cinemas in Ireland and I didn't get around to seeing it for several years afterwards. When I finally got to see it, I was extremely disappointed - I found it a weirdly cold, soulless, boring film, like someone moving a bunch of really cool stick figures around instead of believably real characters interacting. It's something I've noticed in every Tim Burton film except Beetlejuice - all shiny show and no heart.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:My favorite Disney film will always be Alice In Wonderland. Disney apparently apologized for it at some point, which strikes me as odd. I know it doesn't follow Lewis Carroll's original books terribly closely in some ways, but I love the trippiness of that film. The caterpillar makes a bunch of pretty obvious drug references. Aside from smoking a hookah he also tells Alice to eat the mushroom without bothering to tell her what it does. There were arguments that that would encourage children to do drugs.
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Aug 25, 2019 17:14
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Pookah posted:I had sort of the same experience with Mars Attacks - the trailers looked AMAZING and I was really excited about seeing it, but I was away the entire summer it was in cinemas in Ireland and I didn't get around to seeing it for several years afterwards. When I finally got to see it, I was extremely disappointed - I found it a weirdly cold, soulless, boring film, like someone moving a bunch of really cool stick figures around instead of believably real characters interacting. It's something I've noticed in every Tim Burton film except Beetlejuice - all shiny show and no heart. Rewatch Pee-Wee's Big Adventure.
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Aug 25, 2019 18:00
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sweeperbravo posted:Every VHS. Every goddamn VHS had an ad for The Nightmare Before Christmas at the beginning previews. That movie looked so balls to the walls awesome and creepy and cool and my mom refused to let me watch it* because it was "too dark." Eventually I let it go and it became one of those movies everyone else but you has seen and I had come to terms with being that person. NBC is one of those movies that's taken on a weird life of its own solely through merchandise. The dark palette, the rough stop motion, the black humor were all things that scared the poo poo out of me as a kid, but was something I could get into when I was a young teen (and super into Hot Topic). It loses something after you're 14 or 15. My husband had the same experience you had, after I told him there was this awesome movie from when I was a kid, I couldn't believe he hadn't seen it, etc etc. His reaction was "...meh." But we still pop on the music around Halloween because it's catchy and fun.
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Aug 25, 2019 18:00
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SiKboy posted:Disney reacquired the film rights to the chronicles of prydain about 3 years ago, presumably to make a new adaptation in the mold of LotR/Hobbit/Harry Potter, but I dont think they've done anything with the rights yet. I'm with you, I loved the books when I was a kid, would like to see a good adaptation but am wary that they're going to be hammered into a LotR shaped hole. Oh good grief, I didn't know that. I have zero faith in Disney making a good adaptation. 
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Aug 25, 2019 18:06
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I thought Nightmare was fine as a kid but I had already seen Beetlejuice and the first two Batman films by that point so I feel like the Tim Burton creepiness wasn’t as big for me as it was for other kids. Also Watership Down was my favorite movie when I was 5 so it wasn’t necessarily going to scare me
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Aug 25, 2019 18:08
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Black Cauldron was plagued with production problems and was made during that time where Disney would recycle animation from their other animated movies. It's pretty infamous in the animation world.
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Aug 25, 2019 18:23
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Pookah posted:I had sort of the same experience with Mars Attacks - the trailers looked AMAZING and I was really excited about seeing it, but I was away the entire summer it was in cinemas in Ireland and I didn't get around to seeing it for several years afterwards. When I finally got to see it, I was extremely disappointed - I found it a weirdly cold, soulless, boring film, like someone moving a bunch of really cool stick figures around instead of believably real characters interacting. It's something I've noticed in every Tim Burton film except Beetlejuice - all shiny show and no heart. Big Fish.  Big Fish is all heart.
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Bogus Adventure posted:Oh good grief, I didn't know that. I have zero faith in Disney making a good adaptation. My personaly hope is that they decide that instead of deciding its going to be LotR for teens they decide instead that a TV show would be the way to go (Game of Thrones for teens being a more recent thing they might be thinking of. or I guess Amazon Primes LotR show for teens) because they are going to need content for the Disney Network (or whatever their streaming thing will be called). I think it would fit the pacing of the books better to make a show, particularly if they set out a roadmap for the writers room ("This show will run for X seasons unless ratings suck. Therefore here are approximate milestones of which season should hit which plot points".) because drat few things kill a book adaptation than dragging it out to make finite material fill theoretically infinite seasons.
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SiKboy posted:My personaly hope is that they decide that instead of deciding its going to be LotR for teens they decide instead that a TV show would be the way to go (Game of Thrones for teens being a more recent thing they might be thinking of. or I guess Amazon Primes LotR show for teens) because they are going to need content for the Disney Network (or whatever their streaming thing will be called). I think it would fit the pacing of the books better to make a show, particularly if they set out a roadmap for the writers room ("This show will run for X seasons unless ratings suck. Therefore here are approximate milestones of which season should hit which plot points".) because drat few things kill a book adaptation than dragging it out to make finite material fill theoretically infinite seasons. Yeah, I don't even want to imagine them trying to vamp to fill time as The High King story arc comes to a resolution.
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I love the animation, but Nightmare Before Christmas wasn't ever trying to be anything other than a Christmas movie for kids so if you're not nostalgic for it it's nothing special. On the other hand I think Tim Burton's Batman aged horribly. I know a lot of people have softened on it lately but I can't imagine why. I can't tell what tone the movie was going for. Jack Nicholson was too fat and too old for the joker and basically didn't even try to get in character. There's also a prince musical number in the middle of the film that Tim Burton was contractually obligated to add that everyone seems to forget is there. I honestly think it's the worst adaptation of Batman.
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Aug 25, 2019 23:16
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hyperhazard posted:NBC is one of those movies that's taken on a weird life of its own solely through merchandise. The dark palette, the rough stop motion, the black humor were all things that scared the poo poo out of me as a kid, but was something I could get into when I was a young teen (and super into Hot Topic). It loses something after you're 14 or 15. Here's the weird part: at least part of the reason is because Pete Wentz used his fame to help the movie regain popularity. For a while seemingly every photo of him that showed the neck down had him wearing Nightmare merch
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rodbeard posted:I think Tim Burton's Batman aged horribly. I know a lot of people have softened on it lately but I can't imagine why. El Gallinero Gros posted:Here's the weird part: at least part of the reason is because Pete Wentz used his fame to help the movie regain popularity.
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Aug 25, 2019 23:31
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Here's the weird part: at least part of the reason is because Pete Wentz used his fame to help the movie regain popularity. For a while seemingly every photo of him that showed the neck down had him wearing Nightmare merch I love Fall out Boy but Pete made so many questionable choices
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Pookah posted:I had sort of the same experience with Mars Attacks - the trailers looked AMAZING and I was really excited about seeing it, but I was away the entire summer it was in cinemas in Ireland and I didn't get around to seeing it for several years afterwards. When I finally got to see it, I was extremely disappointed - I found it a weirdly cold, soulless, boring film, like someone moving a bunch of really cool stick figures around instead of believably real characters interacting. It's something I've noticed in every Tim Burton film except Beetlejuice - all shiny show and no heart. I kind of agree to be honest. I haven't seen that many Tim Burton films but I've never been blown away by them. They're good, sure, but I know a lot of people who go nuts over anything Tim Burton and I just don't see it.
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:I know a lot of people who go nuts over anything Tim Burton and I just don't see it.
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Mars Attacks scared the poo poo out of me when I was a kid, but only that scene where the Martian is going into the White House with that one guy. Rewatching it later, I don't know why, but that scene freaked me the gently caress out when I was younger.
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FilthyImp posted:This was probably more the case when his creative vision was seen as pushing back against the monotony and horror of suburbia and normalcy. Yes, that's very likely part of it, simply being too young to have seen a lot of his stuff when it was more novel and relevant. Kind of like a lot of counter-culture things from the 80s/90s for me to be honest, like grunge for example.
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rodbeard posted:I love the animation, but Nightmare Before Christmas wasn't ever trying to be anything other than a Christmas movie for kids so if you're not nostalgic for it it's nothing special. On the other hand I think Tim Burton's Batman aged horribly. I know a lot of people have softened on it lately but I can't imagine why. I can't tell what tone the movie was going for. Jack Nicholson was too fat and too old for the joker and basically didn't even try to get in character. There's also a prince musical number in the middle of the film that Tim Burton was contractually obligated to add that everyone seems to forget is there. I honestly think it's the worst adaptation of Batman. I am always baffled when people say he was the best Joker. Cesar Romero was a better Joker than he was!
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Aug 26, 2019 01:50
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Nightmare Before Christmas is a great Christmas movie with goofy, scary stuff made before Burton's style slid into a full-on self-parody. The music is great, and the story is sweet. It is entirely possibly that the whiny turds who bust a fan nut out over everything and anything Tim Burton does have given it a bad name, but I don't think you should blame the movie for that. 
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Aug 26, 2019 01:55
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Everyone always forgets that Big Fish is Tim Burton's best movie.
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Boy, A Very Special Episode has just been going ham sandwich on 7th Heaven, it almost feels unfair to use a goldmine that rich but who can blame them?
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Boy, A Very Special Episode has just been going ham sandwich on 7th Heaven, it almost feels unfair to use a goldmine that rich but who can blame them? A weirdly reactionary show starring a rapist as the dad.
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My sister watched a ton of 7th Heaven growing up, and all I remember is they have the worst musical episode I have ever seen for a TV show.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Boy, A Very Special Episode has just been going ham sandwich on 7th Heaven, it almost feels unfair to use a goldmine that rich but who can blame them? We would watch that show only until anything better was on. Didn't the dad turn out to be a pedo? E: yep: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ng-three-girls/
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jojoinnit posted:We would watch that show only until anything better was on. Didn't the dad turn out to be a pedo? A pedo who was in Star Trek, even.
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Aug 26, 2019 02:31
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:A pedo who was in Star Trek, even. That’s a loving ringer if there ever was one.
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Aug 26, 2019 02:33
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Icon Of Sin posted:That’s a loving ringer if there ever was one. And, I am not making this up, was a guest on SVU (S09E18).
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rodbeard posted:I love the animation, but Nightmare Before Christmas wasn't ever trying to be anything other than a Christmas movie for kids so if you're not nostalgic for it it's nothing special. On the other hand I think Tim Burton's Batman aged horribly. I know a lot of people have softened on it lately but I can't imagine why. I can't tell what tone the movie was going for. Jack Nicholson was too fat and too old for the joker and basically didn't even try to get in character. There's also a prince musical number in the middle of the film that Tim Burton was contractually obligated to add that everyone seems to forget is there. I honestly think it's the worst adaptation of Batman. I think pretty much all of the Batman movies have aged pretty badly. Except The Animated Series. That series is evergreen.
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The seventh heaven guy was a guest star on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia specifically because of his Christian Dad image. So I guess those episodes didn't age well.
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rodbeard posted:The seventh heaven guy was a guest star on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia specifically because of his Christian Dad image. So I guess those episodes didn't age well. IASP could have stayed on-brand by just revealing that Bruce Mathis was a huge piece of poo poo who used the family money to try to rehabilitate his image, but took the better path by just quietly writing him out of the series altogether.
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Gaunab posted:Black Cauldron was plagued with production problems and was made during that time where Disney would recycle animation from their other animated movies. It's pretty infamous in the animation world. There were some cuts made super late into production, in the phase where things are normally pretty locked in place. You can hear the music jump at one point because of it. It's been a long time since I last saw The Black Cauldron, but I remember liking it. Wasn't one of the one my family had, though. I also remember liking Rescuers Down Under more than the first one, but I think Fantasia was always my favourite. Araenna posted:I am always baffled when people say he was the best Joker. Cesar Romero was a better Joker than he was! Uh, yeah, Cesar Romero was the best Joker.
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Koalas March posted:I love Fall out Boy but Pete made so many questionable choices
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Solice Kirsk posted:Rewatch Pee-Wee's Big Adventure. Vandar posted:Big Fish. I've never seen either, so thanks for the recommends! Pee-Wee the character is unknown here so I never bothered with the film, and by the time Big Fish happened I'd already formed the opinion that TB films were not my bag. And I'd totally forgotten about his Batman - I actually liked it alot; the weird chilliness of his usual style really works there. He gets just how much of a freak Bruce Wayne is. Normal person Bruce Wayne makes zero sense.
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I just like the fact that The Nightmare Before Christmas was literally inspired by Tim Burton seeing Halloween and Christmas decorations being for sale at the store at the same time. It struck him as completely, bafflingly absurd so he made a movie about it. Interestingly at the time Disney mostly tried to distance themselves from it. It wasn't until way later when it had a resurgence in popularity that they cared to act like it was theirs again. One of the reasons it stands out is because it's just so damned unique. Your various flavors of spooky kids have always taken a shine to it as it's pretty rare for anything that even vaguely resembles something a goth would like to show up in such a major production. Granted it's still also pretty whimsical; a lot of things that look scary actually aren't malevolent or dangerous in Halloween Town because, I mean, the song even has the line "life's no fun without a good scare."
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Byzantine posted:"Gypsy" wasn't a slur in America in the 1990s, we mostly knew it from Cher.  rodbeard posted:On the other hand I think Tim Burton's Batman aged horribly. I know a lot of people have softened on it lately but I can't imagine why. I can't tell what tone the movie was going for.
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Tiggum posted:It's very obviously used as a slur in that song though? To be fair to Gypsies Tramps and thieves it's kind of explicitly about people calling them that because they are idiots. "Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves, that's what the people of the town there called us"
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