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"If you hate anyone, even for a second, you have already committed genocide in your heart." -Jesus
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General Dog posted:I agree, it makes me wish I knew anything about him or what the hell he wants. Approval.
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Aug 29, 2019 17:44
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Fitzy Fitz posted:ben solo is the best and most interesting character in the sequel trilogy unfortunately, yeah this is completely correct
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Aug 29, 2019 19:06
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General Dog posted:"If you hate anyone, even for a second, you have already committed genocide in your heart." -Jesus Going to serious respond and say I think the rotj idea was of you use that hate for power then you have chosen the dark side and it’s real hard to come back from that because it works and is good (bad good) Luke killing his own dad would have been such a powerful use of the dark side he could not have come back But as mentioned even if he did palps would have killed him anyways
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Aug 29, 2019 19:17
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Sheev shoulda known that Anakin's desire to save the people he loves from dying would come back to...throw him down a well...to three movies later
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Aug 29, 2019 19:31
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Would you say Vader was sending his love down the well (DOOOWN THAT WELL!)?
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Aug 29, 2019 19:51
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https://twitter.com/bryaneward/status/1166186323901857792 https://twitter.com/bryaneward/status/1166965263331471360
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Aug 29, 2019 20:09
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Aug 29, 2019 22:24
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I'm thinking this film will be worth it just to have Ian McDiarmid chewing huge swathes of scenery again
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Aug 29, 2019 23:30
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It's great that the sequels have no real plot or anything, just (bad) sound and fury
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Aug 30, 2019 01:55
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Is it just me or could Threepio's pose there also look like he's riding a skateboard as well? Also it is well known since the Prequels that any Jedi protagonist is barely trained, or if trained a lot then they are trained badly, and then is expected to somehow just be "good" by virtue of plot armor. Anakin is the only one we see where it's just trained poorly, and given poor counseling if any at all about emotions, and maybe any basic sword based combat tactics where you shouldn't try and jump over a dude that also has a laser sword that can possibly turn you into a quadriplegic. Luke somehow fails upwards, Rey is pretty much to be determined at the end of the trilogy. They really should have just let the dudes who wrote Clone Wars and Rebels write out the movies. Or Gendy Tartokovsky because his Clone Wars shorts were brilliant and amazing. "And he was a good friend"  Who I cut up, and left to burn on a lava planet. Cause ya know, friends!
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Aug 30, 2019 02:23
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Jiro posted:"And he was a good friend" He was already Darth at that point.
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Aug 30, 2019 03:21
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Also, the sith are constantly trying to play each other. A) they're evil, and B) the rule of two basically sets them up to off their masters. the emperor killed his master, for example. did you ever hear the tragedy of darth plagueis the wise? hell yeah i did. there's likely not to be as good a scene as that one in the st it seems like
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Aug 30, 2019 04:07
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sigher posted:Palpatine is literally the greatest thing in all of Star Wars and one of the best villains of all time, it'll be a waste to not bring him back physically in this final toilet flush of a film. i dont think he's gonna be good in the new movie because he has no reason to be there. he was good in the pt because that was his story
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Aug 30, 2019 04:18
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He's had a long time to think and he's good now. He's back to kick Kylo and Dark Rey's asses so he can get back to watching the pool boy (Matt Smith) skim leaves at his villa on Naboo
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Aug 30, 2019 04:31
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:He was already Darth at that point. It doesn't make it any less hilarious to talk about your good friend, and leave out the part where you had a hand in chopping off his arm and legs and take his accursed lightsaber as a keepsake.
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Aug 30, 2019 05:10
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We meet again at last. The circle is now complete. When I met you I was on fire screaming I hate you. Now I am the master.
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Aug 30, 2019 05:49
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Jiro posted:"And he was a good friend" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN74bOubUug
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Aug 30, 2019 06:15
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TheLoquid posted:We meet again at last. The circle is now complete. When I met you I was on fire screaming "I HATE YOU!". Now I am the master. I absolutely cannot stop laughing at this. The prequels just absolutely make everything after they happened worse and hilarious at the same time.
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Aug 30, 2019 08:03
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The prequels would have been such a trip if 1 hour into The Phantom Menace, you did have Obi-Wan introduce Anakin to his pupil, Darth Vader.
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Aug 30, 2019 13:26
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Obi-Wan was literally always a liar and manipulator from his introduction in the first film.
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Aug 30, 2019 16:40
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Has there been any speculation that the scene with "Dark Rey" might be a pre-TFA flashback?
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Aug 30, 2019 19:13
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General Dog posted:Has there been any speculation that the scene with "Dark Rey" might be a pre-TFA flashback? How would that even work, she was living on a desert planet for her whole life before TFA.
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Aug 30, 2019 19:21
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The Cameo posted:How would that even work, she was living on a desert planet for her whole life before TFA. Possibility #1: That's only according to Rey, who seems to have unreliable memories Possibility #2: Rey has been on Jakku since early childhood, but the woman she was cloned from is from somewhere else
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Aug 30, 2019 19:24
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General Dog posted:Possibility #1: That's only according to Rey Probably her mom, hence the resemblance and why it feels slightly "off"
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Aug 30, 2019 19:25
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Palpatine, as a clone baby in a vat somewhere: “well, immaculately concepting a nice person didn’t work; what if I immaculately knock up a Sith lady?” *gets killed again like twenty five years later by Rey’s hand* “Oh c’mon you gotta be loving kidding me here”
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Aug 30, 2019 19:31
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Palpatine created a number of Shmi Skywalker clones seeking to create another perfect Force child he could control and tutor from birth. Without Plagueis to help him, his efforts at creating life on his own failed, but he found that the Schmi clones were themselves quite powerful in the force. Shmi #1 (born 16 BBY) was Snoke - came out hosed up and too big, Palpatine just kind of dumped her out in the outer rim at an early age with some Stormtroopers and some Sith literature and told her to come back when she made something of herself. Eventually began using he/him pronouns. Shmi #2 (born 3 BBY) was Mara - Palpatine hatched her and had big plans for her but died when she was still a youngling. His will placed her in custody of Snoke, where she was trained in the dark side and became founding leader of the Knights of Ren. Killed by Luke Skywalker in 17 ABY Shmi #3 (born 15 ABY) was Rey - the third Schmi clone was commissioned by Mara without Snoke's knowledge. She planned to raise her as her own, and train her in the ways of the Dark Side with an eye on overthrowing Snoke when she reached adulthood. When Mara was killed, Luke wasn't sure what to do with the young girl, so he left her in a pile of trash on Tatooine General Dog fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Aug 30, 2019 |
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Aug 30, 2019 19:39
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Luke just couldn’t handle the Force enhanced “Terrible Twos”. No wonder he tried to kill Ben when he was a thirteen year old or whenever, he saw a glimpse of dealing with a surly teenager.
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Aug 30, 2019 19:43
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i want yarael poof to stick his entire head and neck up my rear end like an endoscope
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Aug 30, 2019 21:11
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Is this fanfiction or did the creatively bankrupt Disney EU bring back Mara Jade already
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Aug 30, 2019 21:20
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How is this thread different than the other Star Wars thread anyway. Y'all can't spoil poo poo that ain't out.
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Aug 30, 2019 21:21
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Kanine posted:i want yarael poof to stick his entire head and neck up my rear end like an endoscope I don’t know who that is but I bet they have this on Pornhub.
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Aug 30, 2019 21:29
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCT8PjY3Igs
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Some relatively authoritative spoilers from the moderator of /r/StarWarsLeaks. After a read through, I feel OK about it if true. Don't shoot the messenger. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ SPOILERS! While this is a spoiler friendly subreddit, I'm going to flag this as a spoiler post and warn anyone that doesn't want to know what happens in the film to turn back now. If you are spoiler averse and decide to continue reading, it's your own fault from here on out. If you are pro-spoilers, please do not share details of this post with anyone that does not want to be spoiled themselves. Without any further preamble... As stated in a previous leak, it's been reiterated to me that we will indeed be getting young Luke and Leia flashbacks in TROS. One in particular appears to be the opening of the movie no less. We begin the action by seeing one of, if not the final training lesson between Luke and Leia. Leia is giving up her Jedi training due to the fact that she's pregnant with a son. My source on this mentioned a fight, so I believe that we may be getting Leia and Luke in a lightsaber duel toward the beginning of the film. Picking up in the current point in the timeline. Leia appears to have taken up the mantel of Jedi mentor to Rey in the wake of Luke's passing. Note: This will likely coincide with the scene from the D23 First Look where Rey throws here lightsaber at a training remote and cuts down a tree. Early on in the film, we catch up with Kylo's story where he is "slaughtering" people with the purpose of tracking down one of the film's McGuffins, a device known as the "wayfinder". I'm told that the clip of Kylo body slamming someone into the floor of a forest bathed in red light seen in the teaser. I'm also told that this planet is called "Exogol" (don't quote me on the spelling). Kylo obtains the wayfinder from "The Oracle" and finds it to contain coordinates to a point in the Unknown Regions. The wayfinder that Kylo is given once belonged to his grandfater. Using the coordinates found within the wayfinder device, Kylo arrives in the Unknown Regions. Here, Kylo encounters Emperor Palpatine. How Palpatine is still alive and how he ended up in the Unknown Regions is still a mystery to me that I hope to learn more about in the next few months (Note: Daisy Ridley recently said in an interview that it's explained in the film), but my source on this tells me that this is indeed Palpatine in the flesh. Kylo and Palpatine's conversation apparently centers around ordering Kylo to find Rey and bring her to the Emperor with the goal of turning her to the dark side. Note: It's not lost on me that this part of the story feels very Return of the Jedi inspired, but we'll just crack on and see how this all pans out. My source specifically mentioned that Palpatine is very old and decrepit at this point, possibly on the verge of death. A little bit of Googling reveals that Palpatine is thought to have been born around 84 BBY making him in the neighborhood of 113 years old by the events of The Rise of Skywalker. His goal in luring Kylo to him and converting Rey to darkness is more or less to have Rey and Kylo inherit his "new Empire" and for them to rule it together. In order to facilitate bringing about this "new Empire", Palpatine has spent his 30 years of PTO creating a fleet of "Death Star Destroyers" (Note: I don't know if this is their actual name or not. Personally, I hope not, it's bit on the nose) which appear to be exactly what they sound like. Star Destroyers with Death Star tech mounted on them, giving them the capability to destroy a planet. (Note: Apparently once this particular technology was unleashed 30 some odd years ago, that Pandora's box can't be shut again). According to my source, these star destroyers make up the "Sith Fleet" that house the new red Sith Troopers that were showcased at SDCC in July. Note: I wrote this prior to the First Look being shown and the fleet has since been confirmed. It's comprised of Imperial star destroyers hiding in the Unknown Regions and we see what appears to be their planet destroying capabilities during the reel. Enough about Rey and Kylo, let's get back to the rest of the Resistance. Apparently we catch up with Finn and Poe returning to the jungle planet depicted in some of the behind the scenes images shown at Celebration. The duo has been in contact with an informant from within the First Order. The mole has told Finn and Poe about Kylo coming into possession of the "wayfinder". Note: It's unclear to me if anyone in the Resistance understands what the "wayfinder" is or where it leads. They just want to find it. Poe and Finn tell Leia about this and she sends Rey, Chewbacca, C-3PO and the other droids to accompany them on the mission. In order to get them going on their quest, Leia puts them in contact with someone on Pasaana (The desert planet, filmed in Jordan) It's at this point in the story where the Resistance team makes their way to the desert planet seen in the teaser and behind the scenes footage. It's revealed that Leia's contact is Lando Calrissian. Lando points them toward another one of our McGuffins, a "Sith artifact" that apparently turns out to be a dagger. This dagger has some sort of writing on it that 3PO can’t decipher. Note: My source understands this to be a "Sith language". That description is pretty vague for me, but the key point is sound. Heroes find dagger, dagger has writing on it that 3PO can't read. It’s during our heroes time on Passana that Kylo initiates a Force mind link between himself and Rey. Through their connection Kylo discovers where Rey and the Resistance crew are and leaves to pursue them. Eventually Kylo and the Knights of Ren arrive and begin to attack our heroes. One thing leads to another and the Resistance crew gets outnumbered and they are forced to make their escape on an old ship leaving the Millennium Falcon behind. Kylo recovers the Falcon and takes it back to his Star Destroyer. As previously mentioned, 3PO is confronted with a challenge he is not equipped to handle. The artifact found on Passana contains a language that 3PO can’t translate without modifications. In order to modify 3POs programming, Poe brings the team to the wintery planet seen in the teaser (Kijimi per the Vanity Fair article). There C-3PO is modified to allow translation of the artifact. I'm told that the modification is done by a small alien (possibly the one pictured in Image A of my post from 6 months ago. I'm not 100% sure on that, but confident enough in who told this to me that I'm willing to put it out there) Once translatable the dagger supposedly reveals information regarding a second wayfinder, this one having belonged to Emperor Palpatine himself, leading the team to journey to the forest moon of Endor. Note: My sources tell me that the scene from the First Look reel showing 3PO with red eyes connects to this event. The Red eyes are part of the "hack" that allows him to translate the "Sith language". During the events leading to the modification of 3PO on the wintery planet, Kylo initiates another Force connection between he and Rey. Kylo supposedly uses this as an opportunity to begin forcing Rey down the path of darkness. He does this by antagonizing Rey. Kylo tells her that he knows about the dagger and what it was once used for. Kylo apparently tells her that this dagger was used to murder Rey’s parents. Kylo maintains that her parents are nobodies in the grand story. This angers Rey and she lashes out at Kylo and a lightsaber duel ensues. Rey is on Kijimi and Kylo is on his Star Destroyer. According to my source no flashes of any additional locations are seen during this fight (possibly in the film at all, but we'll see). Ren keeps the link alive long enough to learn Rey’s location and eventually peruses her in his Star Destroyer like before. Zori Bliss is introduced sometime during their time on this planet. Note: My sources told me that she has history with Poe prior to Keri Russell saying the same thing in an interview days ago. What this history may be is still a mystery to me right now. Once Kylo arrives, our gang of heroes decide to sneak aboard and attempt to recover the Falcon prior to leaving. The rescue plan goes awry and the whole group gets captured by the First Order. It’s at this point that two major things happen: It’s revealed that Hux is the First Order mole that has been feeding the Resistance information and he allows the heroes to escape while Kylo is distracted by dueling with Rey in person. During this duel, Kylo adds another wrinkle to Rey’s backstory. He maintains that while her parents are nobodies, her grandparents (more specifically her grandfather) wasn’t. Kylo tells Rey that she is the granddaughter of Papatine. This explains his interest in bringing the random nobody from Jakku into the fold. The crew recovers the Falcon, Rey reconnects with them and they all flee. Following her battle aboard the Star Destroyer and escape on the Falcon. Rey uses the newly gleaned information resulting from 3POs modifications and the translation of the dagger to travel to Endor. At this time, it’s a little unclear to me how Kylo gets from point A to point B, but supposedly he is waiting for Rey in Palpatine’s throne room aboard the wreckage of the second Death Star. (Note: I assume he knows the location of the second wayfinder due to his newfound connection to Palpatine, but that's just speculation on my part. I think it's important to note that Kylo may have been there before considering that he had the charred helmet of Vader in TFA.) Naturally, they fight. The specifics of this duel are unknown to me, but what I have been told about it is that it’s at this point when Rey begins to tap into some hatred to gain the upper hand and eventually defeats Kylo (Note: possibly destroying his lightsaber in the process, but that's more rumor than leak at the moment), leaving him for dead on the wreckage of the Death Star. Rey takes possession of Palpatine's wayfinder and leaves. My sources tell me that the "Dark Rey" moment seen in the D23 footage is in fact a vision (described to me as thematically similar to Luke seeing himself as Vader in the cave on Dagobah). This apparently is a short sequence that happens right after Rey picks up Palpatine's wayfinder. While lying in the wreckage of the Death Star weakened state Kylo Ren reportedly sees a vision of his father. (Note: It’s unclear to me if Han appears as a bona fide ghost or just through the magic of injury induced hallucinations, but this interaction supposedly acts as Kylo’s “come to Jesus” moment.) Han tells Kylo that it’s never too late to change and when he leaves Endor, he leaves not as Kylo Ren, but as Ben Solo. This duel is a critical tipping point for Rey as well. I’m told that in the wake of her confrontation with Kylo, she takes the wayfinder and flees to Ahch-to to collect her thoughts. Her mindset is reportedly mirror Luke’s while he was there prior to and during the events of The Last Jedi. The vision of a possible dark future for herself in conjunction fact that she nearly killed Kylo scared Rey in the same way that considering killing Ben in his sleep scared Luke many years prior. She feared the path she was headed down and decides to swear off the Jedi, exiling herself on Ahch-to. Rey scuttles the ship she used to get there just like Luke once did and she caps it all off by casting Anakin's reconstructed lightsaber toward her ship. Just when it looks like the Jedi Order is going to end (again), the specter of Luke Skywalker appears to Rey, holding her discarded lightsaber and does what all good Force ghosts do; gives our hero the resolve to do what needs to be done. Finish the work Luke began over 30 years earlier and put an end to the Emperor for good. According to my source, Luke passes on Leia’s lightsaber to Rey. (Note: I don't know where it came from, where it's been all this time, or how Luke is able to give it to Rey, but what I can tell you (with only about 50% confidence at this point) is that Leia's blade is supposedly blue.) Bolstered by her conversation with Luke, Rey takes Leia's lightsaber, transmits the location of the Sith fleet to the Resistance before heading out herself. On the subject of Force ghosts, Luke makes another appearance around the time of Rey and Kylo’s crises of faith. Back at the main Resistance base, Leia is on her deathbed. My source describes it to me like Yoda’s death in Return if the Jedi, nothing bad happened, it was just her time to go. Luke has come to says goodbye, but before it all ends for Leia, he has one final lesson for her... From what I've been able to put together, the final act of the film is structured like this: Rey leaves Ahch-to and travels to the Sith fleet in the Unknown Regions. Eventually the Resistance fleet arrives and battle ensues. Somehow, Rey finds her way to The Emperor who has been waiting for her. Palpatine confirms that what Kylo told her was true. Apparently after his defeat at DSII, Palpatine was shaken by the fact that he wasn't able to maintain his hold on Vader or seduce Luke to the darkness due to their familial bond. During the course of their conversation Palpatine makes reference to this bond between Vader and Luke and likens it to his bond with Rey hoping that whatever familial connection they have will be enough to win her over and become as strong as that of the Skywalkers. Note: What my source described next feels very reminiscent of RotJ. Rey is trapped in The Emperor’s throne room, watching two opposing fleets battle while she is helplessly gazes onward. It’s at this point that Kylo/Ben reappears. How we get to this next part is still a bit fuzzy to me, but apparently Ben and Rey join forces and begin attacking Palpatine. Leia's lightsaber comes back into play when Rey and Kylo share the Skywalker lightsabers throughout their fight. At some point the Emperor overpowers them both and supposedly kills Ben. (Note: there have been reports from other reputable leakers that Kylo kind of/sort of dies, but my source on this seemed pretty unambiguous. Personally, I think we'll just have to wait and see what we learn over the next few months.) When it looks like all Hope is lost, the ghosts of Luke and Leia show up to aid Rey. Together they overpower the Emperor and end his darkness once and for all. As for what the other members of the Resistance are doing at this point, they are engaged in a space battle against Palpatine's fleet lead by General Pryde. The Resistance's goal is supposedly to take out the flagship, severing communications and making navigation out of the Unknown Regions impossible. The flagship is destroyed around the same time that the Emperor dies. The last thing I was told is regarding the final sequence of the film. I don’t why, but our heroes travel to Tatooine. During these scenes, it is supposedly revealed that Rey has cannibalized Anakin/Luke's lightsaber and Leia's to make one of her own that supposedly has a yellow/gold blade. She buries the leftover pieces on the grounds of the former Lars homestead. The final shots of the Skywalker saga allegedly echo how the adventure began in ‘77, our heroes gazing at the horizon dreaming of the future as twin suns set in the distance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thoughts? I think its fine. I didn't like where TLJ went with the story, but this seems oddly satisfying.
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Dishwasher posted:Some relatively authoritative spoilers from the moderator of /r/StarWarsLeaks. After a read through, I feel OK about it if true. Don't shoot the messenger. That's like 4 hours worth of plot.
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I doubt there's enough footage of Carrie Fisher for her to play so prominent a role in this film - though if they do the ghoulish thing and CGI her a bunch, I guess they could Also, there's barely any mention of Finn, Poe and zero mention of Rose, so I doubt this is true
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Mike N Eich posted:I doubt there's enough footage of Carrie Fisher for her to play so prominent a role in this film - though if they do the ghoulish thing and CGI her a bunch, I guess they could Kathleen Kennedy already said that doing CGI Carrie Fisher is off the table--I think her family said "gently caress no" after the Rogue One abomination--and they're just using deleted footage of her from The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi (and there can't be much, both of those movies were pretty tightly shot with very little in the way of stuff on the cutting-room floor), so that's almost certainly a hoax.
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If true, that’s slightly less dumb than the last leak. Still though, “Death Star Destroyers”.... LOLOLOL
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Aug 30, 2019 23:14
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I'm just so tired of all these Death Star Wars.
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YaketySass posted:I'm just so tired of all these Death Star Wars. I'm merely 'mildly annoyed and hoping for improvement' in these Star Wars. Post was pinned on StarWarsLeaks, no one posted it here, and it seemed worth posting. I'm down for anything that isn't "Last battle is against Matt Smith and Kylo dies like Arnold in End of Days". Because loving hell, that's dreck. 
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