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Pener Kropoopkin posted:London Has Fallen is a deeply fascist movie where the main bad guy is an arms dealer, but also his whole family was wiped out by a US drone bombing his daughter's wedding. At the end he's taken out in Yemen, also by a drone bombing, and debris spews across a busy street full of people minding their own business. This is supposed to be the triumph of the movie. the intensely creepy morgan freeman monologue is what really sells it straight up sounds like a taken villain with his unbroken comfort in the idea that no actually revenging forever is good and just especially since i have bigger bombs than you
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Serf posted:also jack ryan is the most mary sue rear end character ever. he's a former marine and lone survivor type who got out, became a doctor of computers or money or some poo poo, went to wall street but quit because he's too "moral" and then joined the loving cia. and despite being some goober who sits behind a computer and tracks financial transactions he's totally buff and will kick "terrorist" rear end. every time someone calls him "doctor ryan" i can't help but laugh well yeah, he was written by Tom Clancy
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Serf posted:also jack ryan is the most mary sue rear end character ever. he's a former marine and lone survivor type who got out, became a doctor of computers or money or some poo poo, went to wall street but quit because he's too "moral" and then joined the loving cia. and despite being some goober who sits behind a computer and tracks financial transactions he's totally buff and will kick "terrorist" rear end. every time someone calls him "doctor ryan" i can't help but laugh it's worth noting that this isn't a conjuration of the show itself - that's all on Tom Clancy's original formulation of the character
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gradenko_2000 posted:One early episode of Jack Ryan begins with a Syrian father out in the boonies teaching his son to wash up, to pray, to take care of his grandfather, and then they share a tender moment as he drives away on a motorcycle you forgot the best part, as the woman walks away with her children towards the camera with the rubble from the hellfire explosion in the background, she says quietly to her children (and the camera) "I told you God would protect us" then later on the drone operator flies to Syria and hunts down the father of the innocent man he murdered and gives him all the casino winnings to make amends and the guy's father is fine with it and then the drone operator disappears from the show and is never seen again his only connection to the entire rest of the plot is that one missile strike, and everything else is just dumb crap shoveled in to make us think that drone operators are good people doing a difficult job
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vyelkin posted:you forgot the best part, as the woman walks away with her children towards the camera with the rubble from the hellfire explosion in the background, she says quietly to her children (and the camera) "I told you God would protect us" Americans are a lost cause.
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Serf posted:also jack ryan is the most mary sue rear end character ever. he's a former marine and lone survivor type who got out, became a doctor of computers or money or some poo poo, went to wall street but quit because he's too "moral" and then joined the loving cia. and despite being some goober who sits behind a computer and tracks financial transactions he's totally buff and will kick "terrorist" rear end. every time someone calls him "doctor ryan" i can't help but laugh Later in his career he becomes president.
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i dunno what's worse, when movies/tv depict americans not torturing people because of course we would never be evil or when they depict americans torturing people but its actually good because hard men must make hard choices or this jack ryan poo poo where they hint at torture and saintly knight jack ryan doesn't torture, he gives the guy food and water like they depict the actual on-screen interrogation as them just yelling at a guy for hours, but they nod towards the idea that guys in other cells are getting their poo poo wrecked. jim from the office looks at a nearby guard with an expression of deep concern over this
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Zeroisanumber posted:Later in his career he becomes president. based on the harrison ford movies I think in the books he was a war college history professor/cia analyst, so of course when they updated it with jim from the office they made him now be an economist finances computer dork lmao
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Serf posted:i dunno what's worse, when movies/tv depict americans not torturing people because of course we would never be evil or when they depict americans torturing people but its actually good because hard men must make hard choices or this jack ryan poo poo where they hint at torture and saintly knight jack ryan doesn't torture, he gives the guy food and water 
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vyelkin posted:based on the harrison ford movies I think in the books he was a war college history professor/cia analyst, so of course when they updated it with jim from the office they made him now be an economist finances computer dork lmao he was always a finances guy even in the books: he graduated with a BA in economics with a minor in history and passes the CPA exam then he becomes a Marine officer then his helicopter crashes in Crete* during a NATO exercise during his first deployment, this breaks his back, and the disability provides a convenient in-universe excuse for leaving the Marines then he goes to work for Merill Lynch in Baltimore, where he makes most of the money that's the diegetic set up for a comfortable lifestyle after earning about 8 million dollars in the stock market, he goes off an earns a doctorate in history at Georgetown. This is the part where he writes a book about William Halsey, which comes up in Hunt for the Red October as he's talking to Marko Ramius. This is also the part that the Amazon series edits, where instead Ryan does an economics PhD and then he joins the CIA ___ * in the 2014 movie Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit, with Chris Pine playing Ryan, the plot set-up is that Ryan is a university student in London when 9/11 hits, and he joins the military right after, and then the crash is from his chopper getting RPG'd in Afghanistan. This movie also makes his stock market work part of his role in the CIA: he's assigned to look for fraudulent transactions that might be funding terrorist groups. That part I thought was especially laughable given how much money we already know does that.
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vyelkin posted:based on the harrison ford movies I think in the books he was a war college history professor/cia analyst, so of course when they updated it with jim from the office they made him now be an economist finances computer dork lmao Originally he was a Navy analyst sub nerd who got roped into events during The Hunt for Red October because he figured out that the Soviets had created a mostly silent drive for their sub and that the crew was planning to defect. It was Tom Clancy's first and only good book. Later, during a war against a resurgent Japan, the Japanese ram an airliner into the Capitol during the State of the Union address and kill off all of the executive and judicial branch and most of Congress. By this point Ryan is VP because he solved the I/P conflict and the previous VP was sacked for being a rapist, and he's the designated survivor.
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vyelkin posted:then later on the drone operator flies to Syria and hunts down the father of the innocent man he murdered and gives him all the casino winnings to make amends and the guy's father is fine with it and then the drone operator disappears from the show and is never seen again i like how after having been told that blood money is a horrific orientalist concept for our entire lives propaganda has now shifted it to it being actually good because of its inherently capitalist nature and how money is now seen as a better means of solving problems than just not doing lovely things in the first place
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Zeroisanumber posted:Originally he was a Navy analyst sub nerd who got roped into events during The Hunt for Red October because he figured out that the Soviets had created a mostly silent drive for their sub and that the crew was planning to defect. It was Tom Clancy's first and only good book. * Ryan solves the I/P conflict by dividing Jerusalem into three and having The Swiss Guards enforce it. * The sex offender VP he replaces was named Ed Kealty, in a not-so-subtle dig at Ted Kennedy and Chappaquiddick Actually, that in itself is a weird splitting-the-difference that Clancy does: Ryan is nominally a Democrat, except his politics are of course very Republican, up to and including Clancy using Ryan's eye-doctor wife to deliver a speech on the evils of socialized medicine. It's like the mirror image of The Newsroom's Will McAvoy identifying as a Republican, but one of those good, decent Republicans that aren't afraid to call out Tea Partiers as "The American Taliban" gradenko_2000 has issued a correction as of 14:14 on Sep 11, 2019 |
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I'm sorry. Did you just say there's a war with JAPAN in the Clancyverse?
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gradenko_2000 posted:Actually, that in itself is a weird splitting-the-difference that Clancy does: Ryan is nominally a Democrat, except his politics are of course very Republican, up to and including Clancy using Ryan's eye-doctor wife to deliver a speech on the evils of socialized medicine. thats a pretty hilarious inversion actually since the usual practice in tv and movies with identified party members has republicans whose views on the issues are mostly indistinguishable from democrats even when bush was still around tv writers could not to save their lives think of any way to make someone with antigay viewpoints not look like a total rear end in a top hat so they were always one of the good ones who believed that gays were people actually
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Serf posted:i dunno what's worse, when movies/tv depict americans not torturing people because of course we would never be evil or when they depict americans torturing people but its actually good because hard men must make hard choices or this jack ryan poo poo where they hint at torture and saintly knight jack ryan doesn't torture, he gives the guy food and water by the time you get to poo poo thats ripping off tom clancy like 24 and the call of duty games they barely bother to explain why the torture is necessary. youre just supposed to see it and assume that the guy doing the torturing is a badass who is proving how morally good they are by showign what their willing to do
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I'm sorry. Did you just say there's a war with JAPAN in the Clancyverse? I think it's a trilogy. I tried reading the first one but it was real rear end.
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i liked animorphs as a kid. thank’s
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I'm sorry. Did you just say there's a war with JAPAN in the Clancyverse? okay, so there's like this Japanese industrialist whose parents died in the American invasion of Saipan in WW2. He vows revenge on the US and uses his wealth to secretly buy ICBMs from the former Soviet Union and install them in silos. He engineers a takeover of the Japanese government and installs a new "zaibatsu" with him as its head. a new Pearl Harbor happens when Japanese submarines in military exercises with the Navy "accidentally" fire live torpedoes into carriers to cripple them, and this is combined with a Japanese programmer that sabotages the stock market, but then the Japanese immediately sue for peace and call for "free and fair" elections in Guam and the Marianas to try and forestall whatever American counter-attack might happen there's a lot of poo poo that happens of course, but the "cutting edge" part of the books is that this is where Clancy shows off the F-22 and the RAH-66 Comanche, and the Japanese AWACS planes are destroyed by John Clark and Ding Chavez shining bright blinding lights into the cockpits of the planes as they're on final approach, causing the pilots to lose control and crash the planes in the final seconds before landing anyway, there's a Japanese airline pilot with three sons, one flying an AWACS, another flying an F-15, and a third the captain of an Aegis cruiser, and it's after he hears that all three of them have perished fighting the Americans that he decides to crash his 747 into Congress. Debt of Honor was released in 1994, so there wasn't a whole lot of existential threats to the US as it was being written Zeroisanumber posted:I think it's a trilogy. I tried reading the first one but it was real rear end. Kind of. In Debt of Honor, you get some scenes describing that the Indian Prime Minister and the Chinese Premier are all supporting Japan's efforts to attack the US in Executive Decisions, which follows DoH, the Indians try to interdict a Marine Quick Reaction Force on the way to try and stop the "United Islamic Republic", which is what happens when "the mullahs" assassinate Saddam and Iran takes over Iraq and forms an Arab super-state and then, in The Bear and the Dragon, it's China's turn to take on the US
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Animorphs is fascist. Goosebumps is fascist
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*rubbing my fingers along the 3d cover of a goosebumps book* this is fascist
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wow thats like impressively ignorant is he really not aware of the fact that japanese industrialists owe their their entire postwar existence to explicit american support and that normal japanese people would have murdered them with their bare hands if wed have let them
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Mr. Dick posted:The panel where Teodore kisses Penny is the apex of the strip. Fast Times had the line "Anything is possible in a nice van". Also the Street Roots one busts Mr. Dick up every time he reads it, though that's probably just because he's lived in Portland. wow okay, so, phillipe going back to his mom is the perfect arc to end on because it's literally wrapping up something from the very beginning, there's a clear emotional arc, a climactic action when he talks to his dead dad, and the falling action of everybody realizing that no, he belongs back with teodor and cornelius because that's home. fast times is entirely about torturing teodor, who is onstad's honest self insert. there's nothing redeeming about it because nice pete has never been anything more than a weird character and having him commission the torture act on anyone doesn't add anything. then you have the weird 'ray gets sober and hallucinates everything' arc where onstad has completely forgotten how to voice any of his characters. the one redeeming part of this is when drugged up detoxing ray uses the scrabble tiles to spell out "I HAVE A PRINCE ALBERT" then about five comics over the span of eighteen months where nobody has a consistent voice, culminating in the horrible penny arc where onstad plays crustpunk pygmalion and attempts to express the concept that he's a gen-x burnout who hosed up everything in the name of artisan soda, but it doesn't come off as heartfelt as philippe's revelation that home is a time, not a place. it's just pathetic. then a few more strips with the occasional joke, finally ending with everybody discovering weed
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gradenko_2000 posted:Iran takes over Iraq and forms an Arab super-state lmao of all the dumb things you described, this is somehow the one that is the dumbest
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If Charles Koch coup'd the US government and made us go to war with uh *throws dart* ... Canada. I'd probably go along with it too.
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i just can't accept jim as a hardass action hero. i know he's ripped to poo poo and too swole to control now, but i still can't not see him as goofy skinny jim in my mind.
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Freaking Crumbum posted:i just can't accept jim as a hardass action hero. i know he's ripped to poo poo and too swole to control now, but i still can't not see him as goofy skinny jim in my mind. the one action scene he's been in so far was terrible
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:If Charles Koch coup'd the US government and made us go to war with uh *throws dart* ... Canada. I'd probably go along with it too. the canadians thought we forgot about the war of 1812 fools we were only lulling them into a false sense of security
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I also want to throw out there that Office Jim's other other action movie was 13 Hours: Secret Soldiers of Benghazi
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Some Guy TT posted:the canadians thought we forgot about the war of 1812 The really impressive thing about the Clancyverse is its insane pre-9/11 idea that no matter what happens, America will just keep going back to normal. The Japanese could sabotage the stock market and blow up congress, but at the end of the day America just keeps going on like it always has.
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i honestly didnt understand what the big deal was about nine eleven when it actually happening either dumb precocious weirdo that i was i knew that thousands of people died all at once for stupid easily preventable reasons in other countries all the time so why would it be any different in this country
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The post-9/11 mood was like an ambient bloodlust. We were ready to kill anyone.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The really impressive thing about the Clancyverse is its insane pre-9/11 idea that no matter what happens, America will just keep going back to normal. The Japanese could sabotage the stock market and blow up congress, but at the end of the day America just keeps going on like it always has. Denver gets mini-nuked in The Sum of All Fears, the Hill gets 9/11'd in Debt of Honor, the Iranians unleash an ebola outbreak in Executive Decisions, Washington DC narrowly avoids getting nuked in The Bear and the Dragon, and by the time we pick up the story in Teeth of the Tiger, the physician that distributes succinylcholine injection guns to Jack Ryan's son to help him run his black-than-black-op intel service tells us he joined this assassination outfit because he "had a brother working in Cantor Fitzgerald on the 102nd floor of the North Tower"
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KomradeX posted:And Bear and The Dragon kicks off after an abortion in China kills a catholic priest is killed in an abortion because of China's one child rule. China than invades Russia for resources where they get owned NY a single old Russian sniper and than Patriot Missiles shoot down Chinese ICBMs so DC doesn't get nuked absolutely no one has any idea how the one child rule in china works and the internet has not improved their competency in trying to look it up instead of making assumptions based on how it appears in other pop culture
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