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Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

a chinese woman i knew in grad school was confused that i was surprised to learn she had two sisters because she didnt consider this to be remarkable at all

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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

gradenko_2000 posted:

Denver gets mini-nuked in The Sum of All Fears, the Hill gets 9/11'd in Debt of Honor, the Iranians unleash an ebola outbreak in Executive Decisions, Washington DC narrowly avoids getting nuked in The Bear and the Dragon, and by the time we pick up the story in Teeth of the Tiger, the physician that distributes succinylcholine injection guns to Jack Ryan's son to help him run his black-than-black-op intel service tells us he joined this assassination outfit because he "had a brother working in Cantor Fitzgerald on the 102nd floor of the North Tower"

Lol my mom is both really conservative and an avid reader of thriller trash but even she got to teeth of the tiger and was like "uh so the presidents friends just have a literal blank check to murder anyone they dont like? What?"

redneck nazgul
Apr 25, 2013

StashAugustine posted:

Lol my mom is both really conservative and an avid reader of thriller trash but even she got to teeth of the tiger and was like "uh so the presidents friends just have a literal blank check to murder anyone they dont like? What?"

conservative is confused by and balks at reality, film at 11

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

Zeroisanumber posted:

Originally he was a Navy analyst sub nerd who got roped into events during The Hunt for Red October because he figured out that the Soviets had created a mostly silent drive for their sub and that the crew was planning to defect.

This is stupid because America already had this and the Soviets never did.

The Cameo
Jan 20, 2005


gradenko_2000 posted:

I also want to throw out there that Office Jim's other other action movie was 13 Hours: Secret Soldiers of Benghazi

It's pretty much an open secret that Krasinski has been working with the CIA, most recently outed when Josh Olson, who wrote A History of Violence, mentioned on a podcast he does with Dave Anthony that he had a meeting with the CIA (because, honestly, even if you disagree with everything about the CIA, you kinda have to take that meeting just to see what it's like to meet a spook whose job it is to lasso in Hollywood for propaganda), and partway through the meeting, said spook tells him that they already have an actor on board for the stuff they've been discussing. Olson never mentions the guy's name, but Dave brings up the Jack Ryan show a few minutes later and Olson is like "oh, how'd you know?"

I mean it should have been a given once he did two CIA-boosting things back to back between 13 Hours and Jack Ryan, but I guess since both shows sank into the muck of "who cares" like every other piece of pop culture does these days, nobody really noticed

I wonder if Harrison Ford realized what he'd been a part of by doing those 90s Clancy movies and that's what has made him extra ornery in his old age.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

why do soviets always put the most disloyal soldiers on their super cool experimental weapons

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo
This is still my favorite take on Jack Ryan from someone who watched less than ten minutes of it.
https://twitter.com/CoreyRobin/status/1063903657131941889?s=20

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

The Cameo posted:

It's pretty much an open secret that Krasinski has been working with the CIA, most recently outed when Josh Olson, who wrote A History of Violence, mentioned on a podcast he does with Dave Anthony that he had a meeting with the CIA (because, honestly, even if you disagree with everything about the CIA, you kinda have to take that meeting just to see what it's like to meet a spook whose job it is to lasso in Hollywood for propaganda), and partway through the meeting, said spook tells him that they already have an actor on board for the stuff they've been discussing. Olson never mentions the guy's name, but Dave brings up the Jack Ryan show a few minutes later and Olson is like "oh, how'd you know?"

I mean it should have been a given once he did two CIA-boosting things back to back between 13 Hours and Jack Ryan, but I guess since both shows sank into the muck of "who cares" like every other piece of pop culture does these days, nobody really noticed

I wonder if Harrison Ford realized what he'd been a part of by doing those 90s Clancy movies and that's what has made him extra ornery in his old age.

lmao of course the best the CIA can get is office jim

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Farm Frenzy posted:

lmao of course the best the CIA can get is office jim

The Office is insanely popular so they could've done a lot worse.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The post-9/11 mood was like an ambient bloodlust. We were ready to kill anyone.

I've been watching through Person of Interest again, and it's basically a show about (a) how the entire nation went completely batshit insane after 9/11 and (b) how the government/military/intelligence community is, however well-intentioned, completely rotten to the core. I haven't seen Jack Ryan (or read any Clancy) but just from how it's described here PoI feels like the complete antithesis.

It's a show where the ex-military/CIA agent Jack Ryan figure has had basically everything decent beaten out of him to the point where he can barely function as a human being any more and where the supergenius tech billionaire hacker's hubris and callousness effectively doomed the world before he started trying to save it (and he knows it). It's a show where 99% of the police are openly part of a corrupt criminal conspiracy and the few good cops (it's fiction) are the ones who are either ground beneath the system or who choose to actively work outside it. (And the intelligence community are full-on sociopaths, including the occasional good guys, with one of the protagonists having a literal personality disorder to that effect.) It's a show where most terrorists (for all that the show is sometimes a bit lazy about presenting Arab/muslim terrorists) are being used by either the American intelligence community or by evil corporate interests to further their own ends, and it's a show where the thing that makes our vigilante heroes able to function at all is because of a completely monstrous illegal surveillance system (to say nothing of the terrifying artificial superintelligence that controls it, and that's the *good* AI in the show).

It's by no means perfect (and is more anti-authoritarian than socialist in its themes, which isn't a problem for me though it may be for some), but it's got better sensibilities than basically any other mainstream crime/superhero show I've ever seen with the possible exception of Leverage.

I'd really, really like to have seen what they'd have done with the Trump era. (The show ended in 2015).

Shame about Jim Caviezel's personal politics.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Some Guy TT posted:

absolutely no one has any idea how the one child rule in china works and the internet has not improved their competency in trying to look it up instead of making assumptions based on how it appears in other pop culture

Im just describing what was in the drat book

Jenny Agutter
Mar 18, 2009

blindspotting is great, check it out if it's flown under your radar. it's maybe the best exploration of contemporary us race relations since do the right thing

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

surprised Clancychat hasn't touched upon Without Remorse, the definitely-not-extremely-racist Death Wish-esque (with added MIA POW flavor) origin story of John Clark



e: incidentally supposedly Michael B. Jordan is going to be playing Clark in a two-film adaptation of Without Remorse and Rainbow Six, which should be suitably insane

Without Remorse is supposedly coming out in late 2020 lol

LGD has issued a correction as of 18:52 on Sep 11, 2019

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

I love Without Remorse, where Jack Ryan's mentor/friend is revealed to be a straight up serial killer

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvyd7JEtpvQ

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQhmAWyBkIs

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_wLPcH1_WA

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

the CIA would absolutely try to topple Latveria, a well run country

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

i like how how the jack ryan cia is awesome franchise progressively downgraded from harrison ford to ben affleck to chris pine to now jim krasinski literally the only cia hero anyone has heard of because the tom clancy popularity window was the only time it would have ever occurred to anyone to write a character like that


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va5_rn3vG3A

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

I just can't wait to see of that a Rainbow Six movie outs going ro keep with the plot about all the millionaire environmentalist hippies weaponizing Ebola to create a mass population die off to prevent global warming

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

I am watching the BBC series Yes Minister from the 80s and it is a really drat good show

i'm only on the 4th episode but so far it's like the west wing for cynical smart people instead of for credulous dumbfucks

the main action is between this aloof reformer that is trying to cut government largess and the top career civil servant in his office who stymies him by being shrewd and manipulative, funny poo poo

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Yeah. Yes, Minister is Tory trash.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

i think i watched one episode of that awhile ago and really hated it because everyone was talking about how school choice was obviously much better than the public school system and only idiots would think otherwise since thats what the statistics say

in retrospect those words apparently meaning completely different things in england might have confused my understanding of what they were talking about

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The lead writer of Yes, Minister is a Tory, and a Zionist to boot. It was written under Thatcher's Britain at a time when conservatives still had enough sense to try and be clever & subtle, but it was definitely part of a project to make people distrustful of public servants in order to make privatization easier.

I'm not saying you can't enjoy it, but your political instincts aren't wrong.

Serf
May 5, 2011


episode 3 of jack ryan is the most dogshit evil propaganda i've ever seen

victor, the drone pilot, starts the episode by murdering an innocent man on a motorcycle, for which his partner riot grrl gives him a dollar. he has a bunch of these dollars, all numbered for each kill. he goes to vegas to try and lose it all in a series of crazier bets that wind up winning big. he is taken back to a hotel room by what appears to be a married couple. victor has sex with the woman while the man watches and then the man beats him before they leave

in the b-plot of the episode, hanin, the wife of the terrorist suleiman, is trying to run with her kids. suleiman finds out but she escapes with her two daughters anyways. suleiman finds out and sends hanin's uncle fathi and this creepy soldier who was hitting on his daughter yazidi to get them back. the two men track them to a public market and begin chasing them, while victor and riot grrl watch through their predator drones. yazidi captures the daughters and fathi tries to think of a way to stop him, but yazidi kills him. yazidi then drags hanin off to rape her, and the drone pilot victor goes against orders, and when hanin momentarily escapes he blows up yazidi with a missile.

hanin gets into fathi and yazidi's truck, looks to her kids and says "see, i told you god would protect us"

victor leans back in his chair, obviously happy with himself for doing something good

this show is disgusting

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Some Guy TT posted:

i like how how the jack ryan cia is awesome franchise progressively downgraded from harrison ford to ben affleck to chris pine to now jim krasinski literally the only cia hero anyone has heard of because the tom clancy popularity window was the only time it would have ever occurred to anyone to write a character like that

you forgot that it started with alec baldwin

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Serf posted:

this show is disgusting

suffer, like G(radenko) did!

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

I'm canceling my Netflix. gently caress Tom Clancy

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

its an amazon show though

which really just goes to show how desperate the cia is to keep making clancy stories kind of nuts to think that jack ryan used to be blockbuster material

by the way how does this extremely ridiculous and bonkers sounding show like this have 74% on rt is it even possible for tv shows not to get a fresh rating there

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

browsing the headlines and no one seems to have noticed the propaganda elements the negative reviewers just think its bad for being too generic

the positive reviewers strangely enough seem to think its good for the exact same reason

Serf
May 5, 2011


oh yeah there's also a scene where a french intelligence agent tells jack ryan that muslims in france become radicalized because in america someone can be african-american or chinese-american, but muslims will never be french. the implication being that america is better because we don't have racism, i guess?

ten loving minutes later she asks ryan "how can you possibly work for your government, knowing what they've done?" and dopey rear end ryan is like "i think i can change things from the inside."

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

i actually liked hunt for red october even if it is red scare poo poo

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010


lol still one of the dumbest things, even as a kid I remember the comic book dudes at school just rolling their eyes at this poo poo

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

I'm resubcribing to Netflix and canceling my Amazon prime video

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Some Guy TT posted:

its an amazon show though

which really just goes to show how desperate the cia is to keep making clancy stories kind of nuts to think that jack ryan used to be blockbuster material

by the way how does this extremely ridiculous and bonkers sounding show like this have 74% on rt is it even possible for tv shows not to get a fresh rating there

there is just so much tv now that reviewers don't bother to watch bad shows and write bad reviews, they just watch things they think they'll like and then write reviews about how much they liked them

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




im unsubscribing from cia

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Serf posted:

oh yeah there's also a scene where a french intelligence agent tells jack ryan that muslims in france become radicalized because in america someone can be african-american or chinese-american, but muslims will never be french. the implication being that america is better because we don't have racism, i guess?

ten loving minutes later she asks ryan "how can you possibly work for your government, knowing what they've done?" and dopey rear end ryan is like "i think i can change things from the inside."

Whereas the Person of Interest episode I watched yesterday on the bus home ended with Reese telling a dude who was in the Navy who had all the aptitudes to probably be recruited by the CIA to tell them to go gently caress themselves if they ever came calling.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Serf posted:

oh yeah there's also a scene where a french intelligence agent tells jack ryan that muslims in france become radicalized because in america someone can be african-american or chinese-american, but muslims will never be french. the implication being that america is better because we don't have racism, i guess?

ten loving minutes later she asks ryan "how can you possibly work for your government, knowing what they've done?" and dopey rear end ryan is like "i think i can change things from the inside."

dont forget that they show the villain being a secular muslim frenchman in a paris banlieue and then one time he gets arrested by the racist french police for protecting his brother and goes to prison and when he comes out of prison he's magically now a jihadi and that change is never explained except for a vague sense of "oh i guess french prisons are full of muslim extremists and therefore every arab who enters a french prison becomes a jihadi"

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

vyelkin posted:

there is just so much tv now that reviewers don't bother to watch bad shows and write bad reviews, they just watch things they think they'll like and then write reviews about how much they liked them

id say we need a crying ebert icon but what possible context could it ever be used in aside from this one

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CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Squizzle posted:

im unsubscribing from cia

I would but their website is trash.

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