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Admiral Joeslop posted:What is Kevin Nash's best match from a workrate point of view? When he fought Thomas Jane in The Punisher
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Admiral Joeslop posted:What is Kevin Nash's best match from a workrate point of view? Probably his match with Bret at Survivor Series 1995.
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Sep 16, 2019 01:02
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Admiral Joeslop posted:What is Kevin Nash's best match from a workrate point of view? vs Bret at SS95, most likely edit: although it's close with the match with HBK where he ripped off Mad Dog Vachon's fake leg and used it as a weapon
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Sep 16, 2019 01:08
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I recall his match with Taker at WM being surprisingly watchable for early in the Streak.
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Sep 16, 2019 01:29
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Admiral Joeslop posted:What is Kevin Nash's best match from a workrate point of view?
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Sep 16, 2019 01:50
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You're talking about a man who did all the work in a five-man match, and only lost when he pinned himself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzxcnfgpaS0
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Sep 16, 2019 03:30
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wrong, it was that one match in TNA where he did an armdrag
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Sep 16, 2019 07:33
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Halloween Jack posted:You're talking about a man who did all the work in a five-man match, and only lost when he pinned himself Please, that was just a spot fest to get some out of towners over.
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Sep 16, 2019 12:21
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My favorite thing about Super Shredder is that the ooze made his costume's blades bigger, too.
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Sep 16, 2019 13:10
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Helicity posted:Is there an effort post somewhere on how/why Inoki almost destroyed NJPW? I know this was a few pages back but I have a slightly different take on this era that I wanted to share - I'd actually argue that in the long run that era was beneficial to New Japan. Key thing to remember is that it wasn't just NJPW declining in that period: it was literally everyone; an industry wide thing. NOAH managed to do a fair few strong big shows (including the two big Dome shows) but if you look its all with nostalgia main events; Misawa and Kobashi remained on top and they never could elavate anyone to fill that spot and by the late 2000s they'd burned through a lot of those matches and were going down. Every other wrestling company had a weak decade as well: Dragon Gate were formed and had a decent run but they were never a top tier promotion at the level of a New Japan; everyone else basically struggled through the decade. Hell look at Joshi: the whole scene cratered in the 2000s where most of the old companies died or massively shrunk and by the late 2000s you had a couple of companies like Sendai Girls and WAVE trying to be more old school in front of no fans; and then the idol-based promotions that sort of formed the base of Stardom doing better but also tending to be a lot more short lived and dying as quickly as they formed. Lots of reasons for this - the economy was in decline throughout the entire decade, you had the MMA boom taking a lot of fans away etc etc. When you take that into account the decision to look at MMA and the success of Pride and think "hey we should capitalise on this" makes sense: they saw that same old same old stuff wasn't going to work for much longer especially since the inter promotional feuds that they'd done for the back half of the 1990s were almost all burned out after the All Japan feud. They went in a new direction and it actually worked in the short term - going with Bob Sapp was entirely sensible since he was a big star in Japan (although perhaps stripping him because he lost a shoot fight was dumb) and although the numbers are all worked from what reliable stuff we do have they didn't really fall off the wagon properly until later on; and even when they did they were still the biggest company in the country. The Lesnar stuff stunk but that was all post-Inoki and really from a point where they didn't really have an identity or an idea to what they wanted to be. I'm perhaps biased since I genuinely like the matches from that era of New Japan but I think a lot of the takes on this are incredibly simplistic. Why was it for the best long term? It cleared out the top of the card of a lot of people who'd been around forever and where the natural tendency would be to go back to in order to draw a big house. This basically forced them to use new stars very quickly and they already had Nakamura ready there from the Inoki days (although the excursion to Mexico is what really made him) as a top level person; Tanahashi was there as well and you had a dojo class that had Okada and Naito in it starting out during that period. When you compare them to NOAH; New Japan almost had to give main event matches to their younger talent since they didn't really have anyone else while NOAH always could go back to Misawa-Kobashi; or do a dream match like a Misawa-Mutoh or appeal to the past, and so when they couldn't anymore they really had no one at the same level of stardom (as much as I like Marafuji and KENTA they never got there). Its the same thing that WWF had in the mid 90s where the old main eventers left so they had to push newer guys to fill the gap and when they found their guy (who they'd never have pushed had the old dudes been there) it worked; or for a more modern example Stardom since Kairi Sane and Io Shirai left basically had to push a lot of their younger people to fill the gap and its actually led to them becoming a significantly better promotion to watch plus helped their business since they've got new fans. It took New Japan a long time to build back up again but they're back again and its mostly with (relatively) young home grown stars that they had to build up from nothing. Plus New Japan's worst business years were actually in the very late 2000s when the person on top was, err, Hiroshi Tanahashi. Just that they bottomed out at that point and grew from there while NOAH and others kept on falling. IceAgeComing fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Sep 16, 2019 |
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Sep 16, 2019 14:01
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Smoking Crow posted:El Dandy was the best wrestler in the world for a while in the early 90s
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Sep 16, 2019 14:55
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Halloween Jack posted:Eh, I doubt that. 
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Sep 16, 2019 14:58
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Halloween Jack posted:Eh, I doubt that.
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Sep 16, 2019 15:00
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Halloween Jack posted:Eh, I doubt that. Maybe once at like 3am for about an hour when every other wrestler in the world was either asleep or passed out. Then I guess technically his post is correct.
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Sep 16, 2019 15:11
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CityMidnightJunky posted:Maybe once at like 3am for about an hour when every other wrestler in the world was either asleep or passed out. Then I guess technically his post is correct. Who are you to doubt El Dandy?
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Sep 16, 2019 18:11
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I really hope some day people start appreciating Dandy as more than just a meme. The Negro Casas and Santo matches are all incredible.
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Sep 16, 2019 18:13
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I watched both those el dandy matches people posted last time there was a doubter. I dont remember if they were uwa or what promotion but el dandy had a hardcore, think AAA style match and the other was more of a CMLL match and both were a good lucha thing
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Sep 16, 2019 18:36
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CityMidnightJunky posted:Maybe once at like 3am for about an hour when every other wrestler in the world was either asleep or passed out. Then I guess technically his post is correct. Whoosh
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Sep 16, 2019 19:24
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I wish WWE signed him. He would have been the perfect spokesman for their social media video product. "Who are you to Tout El Dandy?"
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Sep 16, 2019 19:28
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I appreciate this choice of emote, considering the Hart clan's love of cats.
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Sep 16, 2019 21:21
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frankenfreak posted:I appreciate this choice of emote, considering the Hart clan's love of cats. That's why I used it!
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Sep 16, 2019 21:34
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Halloween Jack posted:Eh, I doubt that. 
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Sep 16, 2019 23:49
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Alaois posted:wrong, it was that one match in TNA where he did an armdrag
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Sep 17, 2019 05:37
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MassRafTer posted:I really hope some day people start appreciating Dandy as more than just a meme. The Negro Casas and Santo matches are all incredible. No matter what accomplishments other wrestlers claim, until Shinichiro Watanabe makes an anime tribute to you like they did for Dandy, you ain't poo poo.
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Sep 17, 2019 06:51
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Endless Mike posted:That's why I used it!
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Sep 17, 2019 07:00
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Admiral Joeslop posted:What is Kevin Nash's best match from a workrate point of view? Diesel/Michaels vs. Ramon/1-2-3 Nash more than pulled his weight in that imo
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Sep 17, 2019 09:47
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What was the story pitch that was so bad it struck Vince -Vince - dumb for like a minute and then he just got up and left the room?
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Sep 17, 2019 11:55
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jesus WEP posted:What was the story pitch that was so bad it struck Vince -Vince - dumb for like a minute and then he just got up and left the room? I think a writer pitched that the guy who eventually became Heidenreich would be a frozen Nazi from World War II who gets unfrozen and decided to become a wrestler.
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Sep 17, 2019 12:03
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Jerusalem posted:I think a writer pitched that the guy who eventually became Heidenreich would be a frozen Nazi from World War II who gets unfrozen and decided to become a wrestler. Heidenreich was weird because of all that worked stuff where he attacked a kid as a heel, then becoming friendly to them after turning face. He was kind of funny after the latter (or maybe it's my teenage nostalgia). Could anyone tell me more about Bob Sapp? I understand that he became quite popular in Japan... was he legit good? He mostly looked goofy to me.
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Sep 17, 2019 12:15
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Jerusalem posted:I think a writer pitched that the guy who eventually became Heidenreich would be a frozen Nazi from World War II who gets unfrozen and decided to become a wrestler. I think part of the pitch was that he'd also be managed by Heyman, to ratchet up the offensivness
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Sep 17, 2019 12:19
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Jerusalem posted:I think a writer pitched that the guy who eventually became Heidenreich would be a frozen Nazi from World War II who gets unfrozen and decided to become a wrestler. I was reminded of it becaus I was thinking of the dumbest and worst possible ending to the cuck storyline and came up with what if the father was the ghost of Harley Race E: or the ghost of Chris Benoit, turn it into a proper Rosemary’s Baby horror movie kind of angle jesus WEP fucked around with this message at 12:26 on Sep 17, 2019 |
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Sep 17, 2019 12:24
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jesus WEP posted:ah yes that’s the one they could use the hologram technology they used with Tupac to have Benoit make an appearance. i can't act like i wouldn't be glued to the screen while this car wreck happened, however.
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Sep 17, 2019 12:53
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Ok. Now I keep hearing that Maria and Mike Kanellis took Vince for a ride to the tune of 500k/year. is that their combined contracts or each?
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Sep 17, 2019 13:02
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ChrisBTY posted:Ok. Now I keep hearing that Maria and Mike Kanellis took Vince for a ride to the tune of 500k/year. I'm not sure, every time I've ever read a report on it, it's always worded as,"Mike and Maria signed for 500k a year" with no distinction where it was each or as a combined act. Even if it is "only" 2.5 million they grifted out of Vince McMahon, that's not bad for a bare minimum guaranteed yearly salary for the next few years. The REALLY important thing is that they grifted him and he's totally not mad about it at all nosiree he's totally fine he's perfectly cool and good and unbothered by the whole thing! That said, at the time they made the deal, the story going round was that WWE had shifted to 5 year contracts and was making 500k a year the standard offer to try and keep people from going to AEW which they're also totally unconcerned and not shook by why it's pure coincidence they moved NXT to USA on Wednesdays 2 weeks before AEW's new show started on the same day what a stroke of luck! so I would not be at all surprised if Mike and Maria are getting 500k a year each. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Sep 17, 2019 |
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Sep 17, 2019 13:15
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I still think 'grift' is relative in this context if MRT stating that WWE only shared about 8% of it's profits with the workers (not even taking into account stuff like travel). More like 'they are making money closer to what they deserve relative to the success of the company' is accurate. (Which I think he based on the Observer...this is back during the big New York 64 podcast)
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Sep 17, 2019 13:36
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The league minimum for a first-year player in Major League Baseball is about $500K/yr, for perspective. Not guaranteed, and they go back to making pennies if they're sent to the minors, but still.
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Sep 17, 2019 13:47
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ChrisBTY posted:I still think 'grift' is relative in this context They signed a deal for big guaranteed money to keep them away from other promotions, knowing that Maria at least was going to be out of action for a significant portion of it due to pregnancy that WWE wasn't aware of yet, and they wouldn't have been able to get signed elsewhere anyway. By the time WWE found out, the contracts were already signed and too loving bad, you got grifted Vince McMahon 
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Sep 17, 2019 14:48
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Is that the same Maria that Mick Foley had a problem with? I never read his third book and didn't pay attention to TNA or anything at the time, what was with that whole debacle?
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Sep 17, 2019 14:53
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Jerusalem posted:They signed a deal for big guaranteed money to keep them away from other promotions, knowing that Maria at least was going to be out of action for a significant portion of it due to pregnancy that WWE wasn't aware of yet, and they wouldn't have been able to get signed elsewhere anyway. By the time WWE found out, the contracts were already signed and too loving bad, you got grifted Vince McMahon I think it's messed up to say a woman signing a contract and getting pregnant is somehow a grift.
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Schneider Heim posted:Could anyone tell me more about Bob Sapp? I understand that he became quite popular in Japan... was he legit good? He mostly looked goofy to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dCNym6sO3E
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