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Challenge for you goons. Let's say the Crobber gets abducted by space aliens who want him to make a bad movie as an example of what not to do. They also have your family members hostage and make you take over running Robert's Space Industries. How the gently caress do you turn it into something resembling a legit company?
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Challenge for you goons. Immediate downsizing and closing of studios to reduce ongoing costs while doing a general code review. Refocus efforts on SQ42.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Refocus efforts on SQ42. * Close the PU. Stop work immediately. * Sue the CR estate for piercing the veil / embezzling / whatever * Finish SQ42. Imply very heavily that it's sales will determine the future of the PU * Wait for sales * Freeze PU ship trading. * Create reasonable roadmap for PU. Limit to 50 player instances, scrap all AI work. * Offer refunds to anyone who currently holds ships they originally paid for that are no longer on the roadmap to complete (all of them). * poo poo out some turd.
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Echoing that, with the addition that if SC is at all possible, I'd collapse the playable universe into 1-4 solar systems.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Challenge for you goons. * Install closed circuit cameras throughout all CI offices. * Lock all external office doors and release live sexy bears inside. * Livestream the hijinks. * Closure/Profit
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Sep 16, 2019 16:50
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Challenge for you goons. Okay let's assume the whale money is sufficient and is gonna keep coming in. First we get a whole bunch of nerds in a room. No not star citizen backers they can sit outside while the adults talk about how to repair their playground. We put an immediate halt on introducing any new gameplay features and schmooze the whales into a monthly patreon esque donation. This big room of nerds then painstakingly goes through the list of promised ships and tries to concrete over the big gameplay problems. We decide which ships precisely represent our fast craft and how much of a threat they should be expected to be to our larger ships. We fix missiles being broken and try to consider how we might balance missile-defense in a way that feels even slightly fun and slightly fair. Once everything has been sorted into niches like 'fastest ship but no guns', 'pretty fast ship decent guns low health', 'equally fast ship super good gun incredibly low rate of fire', 'Big ship carrier with low armor but can cloak', 'big ship carrier that can fight back but only accurate against other big ships', 'massive armored dreadnought that has no sensors so if it's not protected by smaller ships you can sneak on and blow it up from inside' etc etc. Obviously these game mechanics need to be fixed as well. Team fortress 2 will be looked at as a balance inspiration in which we try to give new players an equal chance to contribute or even excel by offering items and ships to them that actually work for their intended roles even if they aren't necessarily the most specialized tools for specific combat roles. Once we sort out the fact that the gameplay design makes the game literally unplayable if you aren't a mega-whale we can get a team playing the actual game and working on flight mechanics that feel like with skill, muscle memory and some foresight you can avoid damage and turn engagements in your favor. The fact that cryengine is totally inappropriate for all of this is just one of those facts of life and switching engines will literally only make all of this more untenable. The massive universe simulator is being dropped entirely for what will initially start as 48 person servers and eventually we'll see about propping that up to 62. The physics of being inside a ship inside a ship will be handled the way historically it's been handled, we'll just cheat. You're in an instance all to yourself in an interior designed to replicate being in your ship but actually you aren't at all because interacting physics grids are loving nuts. Maybe if we ever get this shitpile into a true 1.0 status and are on the market as a legitimate game we'll take another look at it. Maybe. Squadron 42 is canceled and the mocap will all be thrown in the loving dumpster. Except mop guy. He did nothing wrong so he can stay. Land claims will be handled the same way city of heroes handled its guild-headquarters. Everybody goes to a little teleportation place where they can buy and outfit an interior space as they see fit. Later down the line maybe we do pvp raids but we've got to get the fundamentals done first. The non combat ships will need a niche. I'm thinking money multipliers. Combat is fun so it should be happening no matter how lucrative it actually is. Maybe we implement some kinda cosmetic loot drop system or something for engaging in it if players get too lovey dovey. Noncombat roles should be about getting loving rich and there should be huge rewards for operating them, decent rewards for defending them and slightly better rewards for attacking them. Growing plants in your little geodesic dome should make you the equivalent of a drug dealer and you need to keep your Ground combat we just literally rip off several other successful franchises. That tank or whatever the gently caress it was will be given the ability to plant itself in one position and fire a salvo into space that can 1 shot drat near anything and can kill any one ship with two shots, at the cost that the target obviously has to be in orbit around the planet and also your tank lights up both literally and on the sensors in a huge KILL ME sign to encourage fighter escorts for both parties when engaging in planet-space combat. Wank pod animation is removed. Player position is tracked and you start the game where you were last standing barring getting blowed up or something. Players who log out disappear because prisoner mechanics are stupid. If we really want players to put up with being kidnapped/arrested we will look toward space station 13 for inspiration. We'll try to allow for prison escapes and crew mutinies and such. Let me know if there's anything else in this shitshow I've forgotten. Procedural planets probably need to stay in but time will be spent hand sculpting things to do/visit on them. Procedural animals are out until we finish literally every other thing I suggested we might work on post release. You go to planet alpha and you pick up goats. You take them to the geodesic dome and process the goats into drugs. You sell the drugs. All star citizen development will be centered around this new focus on goat fidelity.
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reignofevil posted:This big room of nerds then painstakingly goes through the list of promised ships and tries to concrete over the big gameplay problems. We decide which ships precisely represent our fast craft and how much of a threat they should be expected to be to our larger ships. We fix missiles being broken and try to consider how we might balance missile-defense in a way that feels even slightly fun and slightly fair. Once everything has been sorted into niches like 'fastest ship but no guns', 'pretty fast ship decent guns low health', 'equally fast ship super good gun incredibly low rate of fire', 'Big ship carrier with low armor but can cloak', 'big ship carrier that can fight back but only accurate against other big ships', 'massive armored dreadnought that has no sensors so if it's not protected by smaller ships you can sneak on and blow it up from inside' etc etc. Obviously these game mechanics need to be fixed as well. Team fortress 2 will be looked at as a balance inspiration in which we try to give new players an equal chance to contribute or even excel by offering items and ships to them that actually work for their intended roles even if they aren't necessarily the most specialized tools for specific combat roles. Once we sort out the fact that the gameplay design makes the game literally unplayable if you aren't a mega-whale we can get a team playing the actual game and working on flight mechanics that feel like with skill, muscle memory and some foresight you can avoid damage and turn engagements in your favor. "Enhanced Ship Modularity – So you have the ship of your dreams, but really wish that it could be customized to suit your needs a bit more than the off-the-shelf models? This new goal, a massive undertaking, is going to be of interest. We are looking to overhaul any suitable ships (including the Cutlass, Avenger, Retaliator and Redeemer) to allow many modular components to be available as swap-outs. (...) Manufacturers will still be offering pre-configured variants, but should you be looking to adapt a hull to suit a certain task then your ship has come in (and is now ready for modification!)" (Let's pretend CI didn't forget about this 65M goal as well)
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Sep 16, 2019 16:57
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Challenge for you goons. keep all the assets throw everything else out ask frontier/double damage (any company with space sim knowledge and a working engine) to team up and create the BDSSE once-and-for-all really why not
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Their technical debt is insurmountable. Few, if any, of the promises made in the last decade can be kept. Even if one kept the art assets, they'll almost surely have to be completely rethought on a conceptual level as to their role in a clean-sheet implementation because what they have now is not merely impossible but also inherently contradictory and incoherent. The first thing that has to be done is to sit down and say what the game is not. Years of promising everything to everyone makes any attempt at digging from under this mountain an act of futility. Make a concise design doc and work from there. That's the hardest conversation to have, finally explaining that no one is going to create a universe simulator that does everything for everyone.
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I just want to remind everyone that No Mans Sky has everything Star Citizen claims to have and is a finished and updated game that you can play right now that is also very fun to play.
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Sep 16, 2019 18:31
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Challenge for you goons. Screw that. Rob the backers blind then live a life of luxury in the Cayman Islands.
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kw0134 posted:The first thing that has to be done is to sit down and say what the game is not. Years of promising everything to everyone makes any attempt at digging from under this mountain an act of futility. Make a concise design doc and work from there. That's the hardest conversation to have, finally explaining that no one is going to create a universe simulator that does everything for everyone. Well, funny you should say that, because in the recent interview with the devs they actually said they had thrown out all the old design documents, which is funny as gently caress considering backers used to point to those as to things they were going to get. I guess mixing drinks for NPCs and selecting movies for them to watch is no longer on the cards. I wonder if the next time i point to that the backer i'm discussing with will triumphantly declare CIG are no longer doing that and the old docs are gone, so checkmate goonie, even though people used to harp on about how great it was that they would be able to do that.
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Sanya Juutilainen posted:"Enhanced Ship Modularity – So you have the ship of your dreams, but really wish that it could be customized to suit your needs a bit more than the off-the-shelf models? This new goal, a massive undertaking, is going to be of interest. We are looking to overhaul any suitable ships (including the Cutlass, Avenger, Retaliator and Redeemer) to allow many modular components to be available as swap-outs. (...) Manufacturers will still be offering pre-configured variants, but should you be looking to adapt a hull to suit a certain task then your ship has come in (and is now ready for modification!)" Once we get our guild-hall equivalent up and running we'll see what can be done about porting the code and assets over to the specified ships bing bing bong so simple
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Sep 16, 2019 19:17
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Challenge for you goons. Turn the game into an online card collecting game ala Artifact. Backers for years have pretty much been playing it in that form.
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reignofevil posted:Once we get our guild-hall equivalent up and running we'll see what can be done about porting the code and assets over to the specified ships bing bing bong so simple Just rip off Elite Dangerous' ship modules thing and have them change stats around a little in the initial pass. If devtime and budget stretches after release you could have ships be a modular series of connected rooms and then let ship modules change what rooms are where or something and sell that as DLC.
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Sanya Juutilainen posted:"Enhanced Ship Modularity – So you have the ship of your dreams, but really wish that it could be customized to suit your needs a bit more than the off-the-shelf models? This new goal, a massive undertaking, is going to be of interest. We are looking to overhaul any suitable ships (including the Cutlass, Avenger, Retaliator and Redeemer) to allow many modular components to be available as swap-outs. (...) Manufacturers will still be offering pre-configured variants, but should you be looking to adapt a hull to suit a certain task then your ship has come in (and is now ready for modification!)" anyone remember the Battlefield Upgrade Kits? They just took a bog standard mechanic that, apparently, they had already promised to put in the game and sold it as a special feature of the Vanguard and iirc just the vanguard. Oh except you had to pay real money to get them. Then, later, they realized this was incredibly stupid and deprecated the whole idea of having a special pony BUK mechanic just for one ship, and that resulted in endless discussion and angst and 'clarifications'. TheDeadlyShoe fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Sep 16, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/giogetmoneyTV/status/1172496911141679104 Previously: https://twitter.com/giogetmoneyTV/status/1165384821708853248 Dementropy fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Sep 16, 2019 |
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Sep 16, 2019 20:21
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SoftNum posted:* Offer refunds to anyone who currently holds ships they originally paid for that are no longer on the roadmap to complete (all of them).
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Sep 16, 2019 20:29
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h3isenbug posted:Who's gonna pay for this? given the shell game the shitizens were running forever, and speculation and everything, I actually doubt many people own ships that they want ot refund that they originally bought. Plus it send up being a decent wall against legal action.
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Sep 16, 2019 20:35
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h3isenbug posted:Who's gonna pay for this? You merely offer refunds. The actual supply of refunds themselves would follow the successful launch of the game, and the huge uptick as western civilisation uploads itself to provide Cymelion with 'steerage'*. * There is an implication.
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 Counterpoint: It won't.
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Is there a good visual timeline of when exactly all the experienced devs who where there at the start left, and who replaced them?
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did they ever figure out how to model gas thrusters or is the flight model still "a jeep in noclip mode"?
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infernal machines posted:did they ever figure out how to model gas thrusters or is the flight model still "a jeep in noclip mode"? They (one clever guy) figured it out, then promptly had to trash it when the other devs couldn't work with it, so now there's a flight model below all the stuff, BUT you can override it and assign any number to any ship as you see fit, which completely breaks said model and makes it pointless. Voilá, Star Citizen.
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Hi guys! Last week we offered you ~~caves~~ this week we would like to interest you in some hot and fresh ~~caves~~ and then we've got some big news coming up don't want to spoil it but you might be surprised to find out we're going to be focusing big time on ~~purchasable caves~~
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oh yeah, its time for cigs weekly phishing email/newsletter with this fake-naive vocabulary they always use “we're sooo innocent and you are all sooo cool!“ this is a travesty BumbleOne fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Sep 16, 2019 |
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Sep 16, 2019 22:52
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I think citizens would go in the amigara fault holes, so long as they believed there would be ships inside
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Did Chris promise to drill caves into Uranus?
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The writing is terrible the grammar is terrible the sentence and paragraph construction are horrid. ANd someone gets paid to do this. First paragraph is trying to cram way too much info into each sentence like somehow they're rationed. I'll forgive the last sentence since it somehow has to hide the fact that you won't get poo poo for this free marketing work. Second is kind of OK, it's hard to punch up "We showed you some caves, you can see here" but... Third is passable I suppose, though the "straight from the horse's mouth" part is completely unnecessary. They really need to decide if their shows should be italicized or not.
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Bumble He posted:Did Chris promise to drill caves into Uranus? Well Chris has been drilling your anus for years now.
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SoftNum posted:The writing is terrible the grammar is terrible the sentence and paragraph construction are horrid. ANd someone gets paid to do this. talking about the first paragraph: i have the feeling that this is on purpose, though.because in fact there are almost zero news. to me those letters feel like they drag out the little news/content they have. the overall “naive“ tone/grammar to me is on purpose, since backers should not mistake cig for grownups, no sir. grownups can be held responsible for wasting 300 million. just my 2 cents
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Nyast posted:Well Chris has been drilling your anus for years now. Chris did what John Romero only claimed. He made us all his bitch.
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Bumble He posted:talking about the first paragraph: I agree, the tone of the entire enterprise is "scrappy underdog startup" company if you try to hold them to account for over $300 million dollars and nothing to show, but they seamlessly flip to "multinational studio headed by mastermind visionary" when you ask what the gently caress a scrappy startup group thinks they're doing taking on impossible technical debt and insane promises. Like the game itself, CIG is whatever it needs to be to keep taking money nonstop until the end of time.
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Hannibal Rex posted:Is there a good visual timeline of when exactly all the experienced devs who where there at the start left, and who replaced them? Nah, no one's ever tamed that mess. Here are some bits and pieces though: Some senior leavers in 2014-2016:
Here's a broader list from the mid 2016 Some general recent stuff: Agent on some recent leavers in 2018: quote:So in the last few months, you've lost: DigitalPenny reckons Linkedin premium confirms their staffing claims but suggests 3x the turnover & a much higher art-to-tech ratio than other studios. They don't seem to have a lead facial animator at Derby UK since the guy that set up the studio left. The flight model physics guy got replaced by a young lad who keeps flipping the hover switch on and off. And on and on. There's too much. There's always more. 
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Nyast posted:Well Chris has been drilling your anus for years now. Star Citizen's anus is larger than Skyrim.
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Pharohman777 posted:I know a former blizzard dev and his wife left due to sandi despising anyone prettier than her. I bet she didn't even shave.
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These are the people who will be absolved when the ELE comes.
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No Mods No Masters posted:I think citizens would go in the amigara fault holes, so long as they believed there would be ships inside "This ship... it was made for me!"
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